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How is that spin? That's exactly what Shanahan and Lynch said over two days (one the week of the draft, the other the day of the draft).

Clearly Lance was their favorite over the rookies (they DRAFTED him...). And Lynch said, "If you hear the MVP of the league may be available, you inquire," or something to that effect. Shanahan called, and was told he'd be wasting his time.


I mean, how is it remotely weird or controversial to prefer AARON RODGERS to a rookie QB? I'd take Rodgers over Lawrence and Wilson too.
 

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I think experience is less of a problem than his accuracy, the competition jump, and the year off of football. It's a recipe for late, inaccurate passes, which turn into pick sixes.

For the lack of experience he had, he was running as close to a pro-style offense as you'll find in college, and Shanahan has loads of experience with "Jimmy Gimmies," those passes that the mediocre QB can execute without having to read the defense or throw more than negative three yards down field.

So, I think if Lance learns the offense, his experience isn't as much of a problem as some think, because the offense he'd run would be no more difficult for a QB than what Jimmy runs (which is to say, not very).


However, if you watch his tape, he has inconsistent accuracy, and THAT is a big problem. Because what's the point of putting in Lance because he has a bigger arm if he just misses the throw? Might as well keep Jittery Jimmy in there. And in fact it would be worse early on, because the game is much faster in the NFL, and he'll be late a lot, most likely.

On the other hand, he's proven to be a good decision maker, but I suspect that would just mean he takes a lot of sacks early on instead of throwing stupid picks. Which of course is worse than having Jittery Jimmy out there.




But the biggest reason Lance needs to sit is to fix his fundamentals and improve his accuracy.

Do you think the team should carry 3 QB’s game day to avoid rushing him? Or keep him inactive?

It sure feels like he needs time. And... as a team... you can’t screw it up by having Jimmy G go down early.

Of the traits my rookie needs, accuracy feels really high on the list. It’s one of those things I believe you can only train/refine so much. You have it or you don’t... look at MLB for examples. All the pitchers throw a lot of baseballs... some are more accurate than others. It is what it is.
 

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I mean I was asked my thoughts on it so I gave them.

And you'll note I said Stafford is clearly better than Jimmy G. His only flaw is age. Otherwise he's on the cusp of elite. Steve Young called him a "miracle worker."

Steve Young wanted the BYU QB as well.What ?? As much as The San Jose team gave up to get the 3rd overall pick in the 2021 draft you’d think they could get across the water instead of having to drive through the East Bay.
 

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How is that spin? That's exactly what Shanahan and Lynch said over two days (one the week of the draft, the other the day of the draft).

Clearly Lance was their favorite over the rookies (they DRAFTED him...). And Lynch said, "If you hear the MVP of the league may be available, you inquire," or something to that effect. Shanahan called, and was told he'd be wasting his time.


I mean, how is it remotely weird or controversial to prefer AARON RODGERS to a rookie QB? I'd take Rodgers over Lawrence and Wilson too.

Like you said maybe even Watson or Stafford ? I know they got there guy. Will see how it all plays out.They are a tough team.
 

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Do you think the team should carry 3 QB’s game day to avoid rushing him? Or keep him inactive?

It sure feels like he needs time. And... as a team... you can’t screw it up by having Jimmy G go down early.

Of the traits my rookie needs, accuracy feels really high on the list. It’s one of those things I believe you can only train/refine so much. You have it or you don’t... look at MLB for examples. All the pitchers throw a lot of baseballs... some are more accurate than others. It is what it is.
They've had 3 QBs the last few years. Even had CJ Beathard on the roster, and he doesn't belong in the NFL.

As for training, there are two examples of talented guys who improved their accuracy the last couple of years: Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. So, it's not impossible. Rare, but not impossible. However, field vision/processing is harder to improve than accuracy, and Lance had better field vision/processing than Fields in college, so it's a decent gamble.


Steve Young wanted the BYU QB as well.What ?? As much as The San Jose team gave up to get the 3rd overall pick in the 2021 draft you’d think they could get across the water instead of having to drive through the East Bay.

I don't think the Jets had any intention of trading out of 2.

Like you said maybe even Watson or Stafford ? I know they got there guy. Will see how it all plays out.They are a tough team.
For sure they wanted Watson, especially after the Rams sniped Stafford from them by paying what he was worth.
 

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Do you think the team should carry 3 QB’s game day to avoid rushing him? Or keep him inactive?

It sure feels like he needs time. And... as a team... you can’t screw it up by having Jimmy G go down early.

Of the traits my rookie needs, accuracy feels really high on the list. It’s one of those things I believe you can only train/refine so much. You have it or you don’t... look at MLB for examples. All the pitchers throw a lot of baseballs... some are more accurate than others. It is what it is.
And then there was Koufax
 

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They've had 3 QBs the last few years. Even had CJ Beathard on the roster, and he doesn't belong in the NFL.

As for training, there are two examples of talented guys who improved their accuracy the last couple of years: Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. So, it's not impossible. Rare, but not impossible. However, field vision/processing is harder to improve than accuracy, and Lance had better field vision/processing than Fields in college, so it's a decent gamble.




I don't think the Jets had any intention of trading out of 2.


For sure they wanted Watson, especially after the Rams sniped Stafford from them by paying what he was worth.
Agreed. ‘Lance has a Chance’

Josh Allen improved accuracy. But Lance could see the whole field and read defenses pre-snap. The mental part is the toughest. Some guys can’t get that down. You cannot teach mental processing speed. That’s why I liked Lance over Fields despite lack of accuracy. Trey seems like a hard worker, I’m sure he will work on his mechanics.

I was really hoping the 49ers would draft Fields or Jones. One comp that I read for Lance was Steve McNair. The Rams are set to defend the passing game more so than a hard running team with a good Oline.
 

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And then there was Koufax

are you questioning his MANHOOD?

Old Sandy- he was born that way,like Lady Gaga said about A-ROD the performance enhancers he was taking.He was born that way.

-Just glad The Angels beat the Dogers last night.Nice meaningful HR Mookie. Let’s Go Dodgers keep the streak alive,your at 4 games.
 

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are you questioning his MANHOOD?

Old Sandy- he was born that way,like Lady Gaga said about A-ROD the performance enhancers he was taking.He was born that way.

-Just glad The Angels beat the Dogers last night.Nice meaningful HR Mookie. Let’s Go Dodgers keep the streak alive,your at 4 games.
No you completely misinterpreted my post.

I was including Koufax as the rare individual who was extremely wild in his early years and took a little advice from his catcher John Roseboro who told him to not throw his hardest. That's when Koufax went from a pitcher who had difficulty finding the strike zone to a pitcher who was deadly accurate in his pitches.

Greatest 5 year stretch of any pitcher ever.
 
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As to the Dodgers, they have lost at least 6 pitchers to the DL. I have lost count how many.

This is just not their year.

Shit happens.

Go ahead and put them down when they are down.
 

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No you completely misinterpreted my post.

I was including Koufax as the rare individual who was extremely wild in his early years and took a little advice from his catcher John Roseboro who told him to not throw his hardest. That's when Koufax went from a pitcher who had difficulty finding the strike zone to a pitcher who was deadly accurate in his pitches.

Greatest 5 year stretch of any pitcher ever.

Nolan Ryan figured it out more towards the end.Different type of pitchers.Same type of concept.
Frank Tanana was the actual better pitcher? Different era’s,he did have the Old Tommy John thing though.
 

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Nolan Ryan figured it out more towards the end.Different type of pitchers.Same type of concept.
Frank Tanana was the actual better pitcher? Different era’s,he did have the Old Tommy John thing though.
Frank Tanana was awesome before his injury. I got to see both Tanana and Ryan pitch in the 70s.

Strangely - back in the 70s and 80s, I was a fan of both the Angels and Dodgers.

My favorite Angel team was the 1979 team.

Not anymore.

Just a Dodger fan now.

And this thread has officially been hijacked now lol