Miami Trading #3 to.....SF

[94niners]

So what's your opinion on San Fran aiming for Stafford, then Watson, then Rodgers and settling for the rookie?

Stafford: Interested, but also seriously considering rookies. This diminished what they would be willing to depart with in terms of draft capital. Basically, they wanted to try to get Stafford at a discount, because they also liked the rookies. That ended up biting them in the butt, as the Rams paid what Stafford was worth.

Watson: Was on a gold jacket trajectory. Anyone who didn't have an elite QB should have been looking at him. Had the Texans been willing to trade him before all the drama, I'm pretty sure the 49ers would have gave the same things they gave for Lance, except not getting a 1st back.

Rodgers: First ballot Hall of Famer who as of last season was playing like a top 2 QB in the league. I would have been pissed if they didn't at least inquire about him. Rodgers probably has a good three years left, and currently the only QB in the league that I think is better is Mahomes.

But none of this is all that relevant to my post. The point of my post is that the media narrative about Shanahan wanting Jones and then changing his mind is nonsense, unless the mind-changing happened in January, when he started really digging into Lance's film.

 

[94niners]

What??? Do we not have Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray in the division???

What is this dude talking about?

Yes, you do. But the Seahawks and Cardinals only had to play one running QB in the division until up to this point.

 

[94niners]

Several conversations with pals since the draft... this point keeps coming up.

Has there ever been a less proven player, traded for that amount of draft capital?

Maybe this works out for the 49’ers... maybe Lance is a gem... but this has got trouble written all over it. And I love that.

Huge gamble they took.

If by "proven" you mean passes thrown, then I think the last time might have been the 1940s.

 

[94niners]

I agree. I think they wanted Jones.
Lance may end up being great but for now I’m seeing Cardale Jones. Not in style just in how great he looked in limited play and when there was enough tape on him, he just didn’t have it.

No, they didn't. You're falling prey to fabricated sports media nonsense that not only doesn't have a shred of evidence, it is in conflict with all the actual evidence, such as:

*Everything Lynch and Shanahan has said.

*The decision after the trade to keep Jimmy G unless blown away by an offer (reportedly a 1st round pick, which is more than they traded for him). You don't do this is Mac Jones if your QB, because Sarkesian's passing game is as close to the NFL as any college passing game. Jones is NFL ready, and he's better than Jimmy G.

*No one of prominence attending Trey Lance's first Pro Day, which occurred before the trade. Then suddenly after the trade, when no one is going to be able to jump in front of them, they help him set up a second one, set up zoom meetings, meet his family and so on.

*John Beck, who played for Shanahan and still has a working relationship with him, began working with Lance on mechanics as well as plays and drills ran by the 49ers. These were incorporated into his second Pro Day.

*The draft phone call, in which Shanahan is surprised that Trey Lance didn't expect the 49ers would take him. He indicated that they had dropped some hints.

*The simple point that Mac Jones wasn't projected to be a top 10 pick. You don't trade 2 first rounders and swap another first to draft a guy who doesn't have gold jacket physical ability.



Now list your evidence that Shanahan wanted Jones. You have ONE piece: the media said so. And of course, they won't list their sources. Which is itself hysterical, since the 49ers scouts didn't find out who they were drafting at 3 until draft day, and the owner of the team didn't find out until the day before. So how did these "sources" know which QB Shanahan planned to take? Not even Shanahan and Lynch told each other who they liked until late in the process.

What this is is the media being WRONG, and then trying to cover up their mistake by making ambiguous, unfalsifiable statements like, "Well, he liked Jones, but then changed his mind," -- without saying WHEN this happened (for example, if Jones was the first guy he looked at and Lance was the second, it could have happened then), or HOW the analyst knows this happened.

At least Chris Simms says it's speculation. But these guys claim it's fact, or that, "My sources tell me," all so that there is no accountability for them being wrong, and so that they can blame it on their mythical sources (or sources which had far less reliable information than the analysts acted like).

 

[94niners]

Yeah I think the non-Jones talk is League related to help generate some buzz and uncertainty on top picks. Top 2 are known and thus no buzz. I’m sure league didn’t want a 3rd pick set in stone media wise.
Jones will be the pick - you don’t move up without knowing which guy you want.

Right, and the guy they wanted was Lance. The media made this story up because Chris Simms thought Shanahan would prefer Jones. None of the alleged "sources" could have possibly known who they traded up for, because Shanahan and Lynch didn't even tell each other their preference until about a week before the draft, the owner didn't know until the day before, and the scouts didn't know until draft day.

 

[Mojo Ram]

But none of this is all that relevant to my post. The point of my post is that the media narrative about Shanahan wanting Jones and then changing his mind is nonsense, unless the mind-changing happened in January, when he started really digging into Lance's film.

Not relevant at all, i just quoted you to ask your opinion on the QB trajectory of your offseason. You didn't really give your opinion on it.

I can tell you from a divisional rivals perspective, it appears that SF aimed high and missed repeatedly for a veteran QB upgrade...and eventually panicked by trading picks for the 3rd available rookie QB.

Do you see it differently?

 

[94niners]

Then there you go cousins at #3,I mean Jones.

—Still you kidding ? That’s like saying your not doing to take Dak Prescott in the 4th ? I’ll tell you this about teams letting not drafting talent when it’s there.They lose. His Ferrot & Trent Green ? My memory is foggy,but drafting talent is the way to go.
IMO RG111 did pretty good his rookie year.They lost to the Hags if memory is right? The Field was Crap & Rg111 tore his knee up. The coaches left him in & his career was basically over.He was never the same ? — Speak of a lot of teams missed out on Russell Wilson as well.

Interesting thing of note: MIKE Shanahan was going to take Wilson in the third if he fell to them, but Seattle got him first. So then they settled on Cousins.

 

[94niners]

Not relevant at all, i just quoted you to ask your opinion on the QB trajectory of your offseason. You didn't really give your opinion on it.

I can tell you from a divisional rivals perspective, it appears that SF aimed high and missed repeatedly for a veteran QB upgrade...and eventually panicked by trading picks for the 3rd available rookie QB.

Do you see it differently?

Oh, I thought you mean my opinion on what the 49ERS thought.

Well, my opinion is I wanted Stafford for 2 second round picks, or like a 1st and a 6th, because he's clearly better than Jimmy G.

I do not think they panicked at all. As I said, I believe they tried to get Stafford at a discount, and I think it's because they weren't sure whether they wanted to ignore the solid QB draft class and take a guy who could end up only having 5 years left or not (it could be more, it could be less, but it's not going to be 12 years like a rookie would be). When that wasn't going to happen, I think they continued to focus on the rookies. (And with respect to the Rams, McVay has proven he doesn't care about draft picks if he can get someone who can help him win now; he wants to cash in on this roster, and Goff apparently was irritating him to no end)

With respect to the rumors about Watson, the Texans were not taking phone calls at the time. So, I believe the 49ers had Watson as a stand-by option if the Texans changed their tune, but at the time they weren't focused on it.

And lastly, Rodgers. By the time the rumor that Rodgers wanted out had gained a lot of steam, they had already traded up. So I think it happened exactly as they said: they planned on taking a QB, but when a Hall of Famer who was the MVP the last year might be available, you look into it.


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If I were running the team I would have offered more than they must have for Stafford. I would at least have tried to give them one 1st round pick. They clearly weren't willing to do that, given the QB class and that they still Garoppolo, who is serviceable, even if he's not quite up to Stafford's standard.

 

[So Ram]

Interesting thing of note: MIKE Shanahan was going to take Wilson in the third if he fell to them, but Seattle got him first. So then they settled on Cousins.

Random hot take confuses man who destroys Russel Wilson twice... even three times a year.

That’s funny as crap!! Look at the NFC West and there QB’s.

The Freaking Rams don’t have Jack to change anything to start with.

You look at what The Rams did in 2021 was just add on offense/special teams & reload on defense.

You look what the 9ers did in 2021 draft was beef up on Offense.Tre Lance is a non-factor.

Warren Sapp has always been funny & entertaining. He played with a lot of energy & is creative. From his last he liked the weed.The NFL might have a rule change on at least CBD ?

 

[So Ram]

Interesting thing of note: MIKE Shanahan was going to take Wilson in the third if he fell to them, but Seattle got him first. So then they settled on Cousins.

I heard the interview,but that was also before & after the RG111 trade.
He never said they didn’t want RG111.What was said was his dad liked RG111 & Kyle liked Cousin. When Cousins was still on the board he said he was going with Cousins.
He was like you liked Russell Wilson.Then Mike said well he is a good player & he has the best value.Where going with Cousins.
He also explained about Jimmy G being the 9ers QB.He said after last season he does not want to go through that situation of not having a QB.He also explained about the rookie QB(cap) salary being able to keep 2 QB’s with a QB waiting in the wings.
For some reason I think your coming in here to Troll ? It’s all good,but if you look at the history of the ROOKIE First rd. Picks you’d know that Sam Bradford & The Strike season hurt The Rams as much as any team in The NFL!

 

[So Ram]

Oh, I thought you mean my opinion on what the 49ERS thought.

Well, my opinion is I wanted Stafford for 2 second round picks, or like a 1st and a 6th, because he's clearly better than Jimmy G.

I do not think they panicked at all. As I said, I believe they tried to get Stafford at a discount, and I think it's because they weren't sure whether they wanted to ignore the solid QB draft class and take a guy who could end up only having 5 years left or not (it could be more, it could be less, but it's not going to be 12 years like a rookie would be). When that wasn't going to happen, I think they continued to focus on the rookies. (And with respect to the Rams, McVay has proven he doesn't care about draft picks if he can get someone who can help him win now; he wants to cash in on this roster, and Goff apparently was irritating him to no end)

With respect to the rumors about Watson, the Texans were not taking phone calls at the time. So, I believe the 49ers had Watson as a stand-by option if the Texans changed their tune, but at the time they weren't focused on it.

And lastly, Rodgers. By the time the rumor that Rodgers wanted out had gained a lot of steam, they had already traded up. So I think it happened exactly as they said: they planned on taking a QB, but when a Hall of Famer who was the MVP the last year might be available, you look into it.


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If I were running the team I would have offered more than they must have for Stafford. I would at least have tried to give them one 1st round pick. They clearly weren't willing to do that, given the QB class and that they still Garoppolo, who is serviceable, even if he's not quite up to Stafford's standard.

A Johnny come lately. Go listen to his last interview. I think is just a thought & is what is in your mind.

Kyle called Green Bay the night he heard about Aaron Rogers might be available.He talked to Fox & that was it.He wanted to make sure when he went to bed the night he heard Aaron Rogers might be available he didn’t want to wake up to Aaron Rogers let’s say being a Ram.

To say Russell Wilson was Mike’s pick.Well Cousins was Kyle pick.
The rookie salary cap now is what made The RG111 so worth all the Draft Picks. LMAO - 2 2nd for Stafford & you would give up a 1st.The Niners gave up how much for Tre Whoever he is(the next Wentz) as a QB?

Mcvay wants to KICK THE San Jose teams ASS! He got rid of Goff’s contract as well.I think Jared Goff is a lot better QB than Porn lover Jimmy G-spot.
Time will tell who made the better trade & has the betters team.
In fact The Rams might not be the best? I do think those DB’s from up North of LA better be ready.The Rams offense is going to be a lot better.From center across the line to Cam Akers having Mathew Stafford in front of him.

 

[dieterbrock]

Now list your evidence that Shanahan wanted Jones

My evidence? My evidence is this, I dont give a crap who you guys took. Im glad it wasnt Jones because he's the better player for your team. So good luck with Jimmy G this year and his ridiculous salary.

 

[Ram Ts]

Right, and the guy they wanted was Lance. The media made this story up because Chris Simms thought Shanahan would prefer Jones. None of the alleged "sources" could have possibly known who they traded up for, because Shanahan and Lynch didn't even tell each other their preference until about a week before the draft, the owner didn't know until the day before, and the scouts didn't know until draft day.

They wanted Lance so much that they tried to trade for Rodgers (which obviously meant giving up the #3 pick +) just before the draft. Sounds like a team that is 100% sold on Lance being their franchise QB. Good luck

 

[CGI_Ram]

This is a false narrative created entirely by sports media.

Shanahan told Lynch in January he was starting to get "obsessed" with Lance, and sent him a cut-up of his film. And the reasons are obvious: the NDSU is an under center offense with lots of play-action, with the QB calling plays in the huddle, reading the defense at the line (instead of looking at cards on the sideline), and calling his own protections -- in addition to the strong arm and athleticism (except the athleticism is used on designed runs and when the play breakdowns. He is NOT a one-read and run QB. He goes through progressions and usually exhausts the play).

Now, that doesn't mean Lance is going to be great, but it's clear why Shanahan liked him.

What happened after that is the following:

They really liked Lance, but would have be happy with Jones if Lance wasn't who they thought he was based on the tape (a physically gifted guy who could run Shanahan's offense, because his college offense was similar). They weren't sure he had what it would take to improve his weaknesses (weaknesses Jones didn't have). So, the plan was to trade up in order to (a) make sure they get either their first choice (Lance) or their back up plan if Lance isn't who they hoped he'd be (Jones), and (b) to give them the ability to do the deep dive they really wanted to without risking some other team figuring out their plans and trading up for their guy.

Shanahan and Lynch didn't even tell each other who they preferred of Jones and Lance until late in the process, so how the hell are Michael Lombardi's sources (that he'd put against your sources lol) going to know? The most likely cause for this, assuming Lombardi didn't make up what his sources said, too, is that 49ers' scouts falsely believed Lynch/Shanahan weren't listening to their pitch for Lance or Fields because Lynch/Shanahan were deliberately obtuse in order to conceal who they were leaning toward from the scouts. The scouts then likely ranted to their family or friends about it, and that's probably how Lombardi heard. He just didn't take into account that the scouts were ASSUMING Lynch/Shanahan wanted Jones because neither one gave any indication of the information the scouts were giving as having any affect (note: that explanation has exactly as much evidence as Lombardi's claims, except it also comes with a reasonable explanation that actually matches what Lynch and Shanahan said, so it's more believable).

And again, this internal secrecy was deliberate. As Shanahan pointed out, in the past someone jumped ahead of him because he was loose with who he liked in the building.

The scouts found out who they were drafting on draft day...


So yeah, no. Every time you hear that Shanahan "changed his mind" or was "convinced by pressure," what you're hearing is a MADE UP STORY which is designed to help salvage the credibility of some analysists who jumped the gun on suspect sources, ultimately to make sure their value to the network they work at remains high.

There is a saying; if something doesn’t make sense... it’s probably not right.

Your story makes more sense. THIS year I might question the need for secrecy at 3, however.

What do you think about the lack of experience (Lance)? That was a lot of draft picks for little experience.

 

[94niners]

A Johnny come lately. Go listen to his last interview. I think is just a thought & is what is in your mind.

Kyle called Green Bay the night he heard about Aaron Rogers might be available.He talked to Fox & that was it.He wanted to make sure when he went to bed the night he heard Aaron Rogers might be available he didn’t want to wake up to Aaron Rogers let’s say being a Ram.

To say Russell Wilson was Mike’s pick.Well Cousins was Kyle pick.
The rookie salary cap now is what made The RG111 so worth all the Draft Picks. LMAO - 2 2nd for Stafford & you would give up a 1st.The Niners gave up how much for Tre Whoever he is(the next Wentz) as a QB?

Mcvay wants to KICK THE San Jose teams ASS! He got rid of Goff’s contract as well.I think Jared Goff is a lot better QB than Porn lover Jimmy G-spot.
Time will tell who made the better trade & has the betters team.
In fact The Rams might not be the best? I do think those DB’s from up North of LA better be ready.The Rams offense is going to be a lot better.From center across the line to Cam Akers having Mathew Stafford in front of him.

I mean I was asked my thoughts on it so I gave them.

And you'll note I said Stafford is clearly better than Jimmy G. His only flaw is age. Otherwise he's on the cusp of elite. Steve Young called him a "miracle worker."

 

[94niners]

They wanted Lance so much that they tried to trade for Rodgers (which obviously meant giving up the #3 pick +) just before the draft. Sounds like a team that is 100% sold on Lance being their franchise QB. Good luck

Lance over the other rookies, a Hall of Famer over Lance, Not exactly rocket science there buddy.

 

[94niners]

My evidence? My evidence is this, I dont give a crap who you guys took. Im glad it wasnt Jones because he's the better player for your team. So good luck with Jimmy G this year and his ridiculous salary.

Not the point. The point is sports media are lying because credibility is their currency. They bet wrong -- BADLY wrong -- and they are scrambling to lessen the impact of their stupidity on their credibility.

 

[94niners]

There is a saying; if something doesn’t make sense... it’s probably not right.

Your story makes more sense. THIS year I might question the need for secrecy at 3, however.

What do you think about the lack of experience (Lance)? That was a lot of draft picks for little experience.

I think experience is less of a problem than his accuracy, the competition jump, and the year off of football. It's a recipe for late, inaccurate passes, which turn into pick sixes.

For the lack of experience he had, he was running as close to a pro-style offense as you'll find in college, and Shanahan has loads of experience with "Jimmy Gimmies," those passes that the mediocre QB can execute without having to read the defense or throw more than negative three yards down field.

So, I think if Lance learns the offense, his experience isn't as much of a problem as some think, because the offense he'd run would be no more difficult for a QB than what Jimmy runs (which is to say, not very).


However, if you watch his tape, he has inconsistent accuracy, and THAT is a big problem. Because what's the point of putting in Lance because he has a bigger arm if he just misses the throw? Might as well keep Jittery Jimmy in there. And in fact it would be worse early on, because the game is much faster in the NFL, and he'll be late a lot, most likely.

On the other hand, he's proven to be a good decision maker, but I suspect that would just mean he takes a lot of sacks early on instead of throwing stupid picks. Which of course is worse than having Jittery Jimmy out there.




But the biggest reason Lance needs to sit is to fix his fundamentals and improve his accuracy.

 

[94niners]

I heard the interview,but that was also before & after the RG111 trade.
He never said they didn’t want RG111.What was said was his dad liked RG111 & Kyle liked Cousin. When Cousins was still on the board he said he was going with Cousins.
He was like you liked Russell Wilson.Then Mike said well he is a good player & he has the best value.Where going with Cousins.
He also explained about Jimmy G being the 9ers QB.He said after last season he does not want to go through that situation of not having a QB.He also explained about the rookie QB(cap) salary being able to keep 2 QB’s with a QB waiting in the wings.
For some reason I think your coming in here to Troll ? It’s all good,but if you look at the history of the ROOKIE First rd. Picks you’d know that Sam Bradford & The Strike season hurt The Rams as much as any team in The NFL!

No, I check in on this site a couple times a year, and I saw that people were buying the media bullshit narrative. Don't worry, they're doing it all over the internet, including the 49ers boards. But I don't understand why people just believe it because media guys say it. Especially when all this "98% they take Jones" crap and they took Lance. If they are that spectacularly wrong on the pick, why would you believe their sudden story to explain why they were wrong?

 

[Ram Ts]

Lance over the other rookies, a Hall of Famer over Lance, Not exactly rocket science there buddy.

Spin doctor