Matthew Stafford Contract Status

[PhillyRam]

The other guy in the video with McShay

I know, just wondering who he is, what is his background

 

[snackdaddy]

As far as I can tell, this whole Stafford to Giants thing began when Cowherd suggested what he thought the Giants should do. And what he thought the Rams would get in return. There was no actual source saying the teams were negotiating anything. Or even discussing it. Adam Schefter says its all a big if and if the Rams were actually thinking about trading Stafford the Giants would never give up the 3rd overall pick.

Thats the thing in today's world. Someone says what should happen or gives an opinion then it gains steam and turns into a huge rumor. I seriously doubt the teams are in any kind of discussion right now.

What I do hear is that Stafford wants an extension. And a pay raise with a guaranteed amount. If by chance they can't come to an agreement then the possibility of trading Stafford becomes real.

I don't want to see that happen. Like I said before, if they think they are a legit Superbowl contender you can throw it out the window if they move on from Stafford. Darnold or Cousins ain't leading them to a Superbowl. Rogers might have enough left for a season or two but I still think Stafford is their best shot at getting there.

Of course if they don't feel they are a legit contender then anything goes. I believe they are a legit contender.

 

[OldSchool]

I disagree.

Which is absolutely fine, I'd prefer the team to be prepared and have competent backups at the most important position. Add to that he grows and somebody gives him big money after his 4 years they get a comp pick. Could be better could be worse than trade compensation. But you appear to have hit on a 6th round pick for a backup QB and that's a very cheap contract. Cheap enough you could help with a vet QB or an upgrade at another position where you do have a hole.

 

[OldSchool]

I know, just wondering who he is, what is his background

Oh not sure the whole details of him but he's somebody I've seen around a few times

 

[PhillyRam]

As far as I can tell, this whole Stafford to Giants thing began when Cowherd suggested what he thought the Giants should do. And what he thought the Rams would get in return. There was no actual source saying the teams were negotiating anything. Or even discussing it. Adam Schefter says its all a big if and if the Rams were actually thinking about trading Stafford the Giants would never give up the 3rd overall pick.

Thats the thing in today's world. Someone says what should happen or gives an opinion then it gains steam and turns into a huge rumor. I seriously doubt the teams are in any kind of discussion right now.

What I do hear is that Stafford wants an extension. And a pay raise with a guaranteed amount. If by chance they can't come to an agreement then the possibility of trading Stafford becomes real.

I don't want to see that happen. Like I said before, if they think they are a legit Superbowl contender you can throw it out the window if they move on from Stafford. Darnold or Cousins ain't leading them to a Superbowl. Rogers might have enough left for a season or two but I still think Stafford is their best shot at getting there.

Of course if they don't feel they are a legit contender then anything goes. I believe they are a legit contender.

Yeah, I hope he stays and I also hope they draft one of the top 5 QBs in this draft just so they at least have someone in the fold that they can see if he is worth developing.

Looking at 26', they will have a lot of cap room regardless if Stafford is here or not. Releasing/trading Kupp now saves them $27M in 26'. They also can save $17M if they release Jonah Jackson in 26' on top of the $90M they currently have for 26'. Again that number will lower as they sign guys this year, but it still puts them near the top of the league in cap room.

So hopefully he stays, then they can develop someone in this draft or one from next yrs draft, and Stafford winds down his career making another run at a ring.

 

[XXXIVwin]

I have no problem discussing the #3 overall pick for Stafford. I'm just pointing out how unrealistic such a trade would be and I'm questioning if this was the Giants Board and we were Giants fans would we be championing such a move?

Totally agree with ya, Memphis.

I checked out the Giants message board, and a few of their comments regarding potentially trading their #3 overall pick for Stafford: "insane", "crazy", "terrible", "complete incompetence", and "maybe I'd do it for a 4th round pick."

I usually like Cowherd's takes, and I agree with @Merlin usually too.

But Stafford for the #3 overall pick is just not even within the realm of the possible.

A few more reasons:

Gotta consider potential upside and potential downside. Upside of a #3 overall pick is a cornerstone player for a DECADE (not necessarily a QB). Guys like Barry Sanders, Larry Fitzgerald, Joe Thomas-- all of whom were taken at #3.

Downside of acquiring a 37-y-o QB with a LONG injury history is that one more significant injury and the threat of retirement is very real.

Lastly-- the trade value chart. Giants #3 pick is valued at 2200 points. The Jets sent a package for Aaron Rodgers (2nd round pick plus a future 2nd rounder) that was worth about 750 points. So why on earth would the Giants offer a package for Stafford that is THREE TIMES as much as what the Jets offered for AR?

Bottom line, I agree with Schefter that there is ZERO chance that the Giants even consider the #3 overall for MS. The potential downside is just too huge.

 

[Memphis Ram]

As far as I can tell, this whole Stafford to Giants thing began when Cowherd suggested what he thought the Giants should do. And what he thought the Rams would get in return. There was no actual source saying the teams were negotiating anything. Or even discussing it. Adam Schefter says its all a big if and if the Rams were actually thinking about trading Stafford the Giants would never give up the 3rd overall pick.

Thats the thing in today's world. Someone says what should happen or gives an opinion then it gains steam and turns into a huge rumor. I seriously doubt the teams are in any kind of discussion right now.

What I do hear is that Stafford wants an extension. And a pay raise with a guaranteed amount. If by chance they can't come to an agreement then the possibility of trading Stafford becomes real.

I don't want to see that happen. Like I said before, if they think they are a legit Superbowl contender you can throw it out the window if they move on from Stafford. Darnold or Cousins ain't leading them to a Superbowl. Rogers might have enough left for a season or two but I still think Stafford is their best shot at getting there.

Of course if they don't feel they are a legit contender then anything goes. I believe they are a legit contender.

According to the Giants fan's sources in the video I posted this actually started when the Rams were 2-4 last season.

If so, it sounds like the Rams then went on that run and both Kupp and Stafford were safe for the rest of the season.

 

[baconandbread]

Again, I'm a fan of Jaxson Dart. I love his poise under pressure, footwork in the pocket, his rifle of an arm. Only issue I see is his size (probably 6'1") and the system he ran under Kiffin. But he's been good for years, and honestly, I wouldn't mind taking a chance on him if, by any chance, Stafford is dealt for a late first. Re-sign Garoppolo for another year or bring in Zach Wilson to potentially rehab his value, I don't care, but Dart reminds me of Baker Mayfield, actually. Maybe Baker-lite, but he plays so similar with his size and off-schedule poise.

I'm also a big fan of Dart, hope we find a way to get him

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

A 37 year old QB could say that he plans to play 2 -3 more years and an NFL GM who trusted that would be nuts as there is a high risk that he might not only change his mind, but not be physically able to do so. And having a spouse with possible health issues even increases the risk.

If I were the Giants owner and Daboll and Shoen came to me with such a deal that would be the final straw and both would be fired immediately.

Well, you aren’t a desperate owner.

 

[FaulkSF]

Shough has a ton of talent you just have to be worried about the clavicle injuries. He's broken it twice that seems too much to be a fluke. Also don't care about the age though some people will lose their mind over it.

Also I'm ignoring McShay's comment about how good he'd be with McVay because he says that about all the QB's. He's giving our coach props more than the prospect.

He’s young and the clavicle can easily be rehabbed with oversight from medical professionals. Shouldn’t be much of a concern

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

But, Stafford isn't the only QB option available for the Giants to upgrade the position. You might even be an upgrade over Daniel Jones as far as I know.

I have no problem discussing the #3 overall pick for Stafford. I'm just pointing out how unrealistic such a trade would be and I'm questioning if this was the Giants Board and we were Giants fans would we be championing such a move?

I do that as no one has yet to answer if they would be OK if the Rams made such a move if the tables were turned.

Nobody has answered? I am pretty I did. If I was a Giants fan, or a Rams fan or any fan of any team that hasn’t been winning for several years and the number one need is a QB, I’d be fine with my GM taking that shot in a draft void of QB talent. Even with the first pick overall.

You act like one year of Stafford is a foregone conclusion. You have no idea. I’d trust him if he says he can give me three years; two even.

I’ve seen entire first rounds in drafts that only produce a few players that stick on NFL rosters. I remember years where the top ten picks barely produced a player whose second contract was offered by his own team. I think you overvalue draft picks. I’d rather have proven players especially when it’s a QB.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Nobody has answered? I am pretty I did. If I was a Giants fan, or a Rams fan or any fan of any team that hasn’t been winning for several years and the number one need is a QB, I’d be fine with my GM taking that shot in a draft void of QB talent. Even with the first pick overall.

You act like one year of Stafford is a foregone conclusion. You have no idea. I’d trust him if he says he can give me three years; two even.

I’ve seen entire first rounds in drafts that only produce a few players that stick on NFL rosters. I remember years where the top ten picks barely produced a player whose second contract was offered by his own team. I think you overvalue draft picks. I’d rather have proven players especially when it’s a QB.

You are the first and only one. I can't even find one Giants fan that agrees with you so far and they are actually living this out today.

And I don't know if one year of Stafford is a foregone conclusion or not. But, it's foolish to not consider that risk. Again, people believe that they can do things their bodies later show them they can no longer do all the time as we age. You couldn't tell me years ago that I couldn't still slam dunk a basketball until I actually tried to do so.

I think you undervalue the #3 overall selection in the draft and forget that it doesn't have to be used on a QB. Is that player guaranteed to be a success? No. But, the odds are much higher compared to selections at the bottom of the round. Plus it could possibly be traded for even more shots at this crapshoot we call the NFL draft. That selection is extremely valuable even moreso in the salary cap era.

 

[jrry32]

Which is absolutely fine, I'd prefer the team to be prepared and have competent backups at the most important position. Add to that he grows and somebody gives him big money after his 4 years they get a comp pick. Could be better could be worse than trade compensation. But you appear to have hit on a 6th round pick for a backup QB and that's a very cheap contract. Cheap enough you could help with a vet QB or an upgrade at another position where you do have a hole.

Here's the problem:
1. If you bring in a veteran backup, when is Milton going to show his growth? The odds of your #3 QB playing are quite low.
2. Is a 3rd or 4th round pick in 2029 worth more than a 5th round pick in 2025? (And that's the near best case scenario.)
3. Milton might also turn into a pumpkin. One game is one game. Personally, I remain very skeptical of Milton. But he's intriguing enough to consider.

As far as I see it, if the Patriots believe Drake Maye is their guy (and there's good reason to think he is), it makes a lot of sense to sell high on Milton.

 

[jrry32]

He’s young and the clavicle can easily be rehabbed with oversight from medical professionals. Shouldn’t be much of a concern

The concern is that he had significant injuries in three of his five seasons as a starting QB in college (2021, 2022, and 2023).

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Totally agree with ya, Memphis.

I checked out the Giants message board, and a few of their comments regarding potentially trading their #3 overall pick for Stafford: "insane", "crazy", "terrible", "complete incompetence", and "maybe I'd do it for a 4th round pick."

I usually like Cowherd's takes, and I agree with @Merlin usually too.

But Stafford for the #3 overall pick is just not even within the realm of the possible.

A few more reasons:

Gotta consider potential upside and potential downside. Upside of a #3 overall pick is a cornerstone player for a DECADE (not necessarily a QB). Guys like Barry Sanders, Larry Fitzgerald, Joe Thomas-- all of whom were taken at #3.

Downside of acquiring a 37-y-o QB with a LONG injury history is that one more significant injury and the threat of retirement is very real.

Lastly-- the trade value chart. Giants #3 pick is valued at 2200 points. The Jets sent a package for Aaron Rodgers (2nd round pick plus a future 2nd rounder) that was worth about 750 points. So why on earth would the Giants offer a package for Stafford that is THREE TIMES as much as what the Jets offered for AR?

Bottom line, I agree with Schefter that there is ZERO chance that the Giants even consider the #3 overall for MS. The potential downside is just too huge.

Shhhh..... Don't tell the Giants front office that just in case they're that stupid if the Stafford signing goes haywire lol

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Here's the problem:
1. If you bring in a veteran backup, when is Milton going to show his growth? The odds of your #3 QB playing are quite low.
2. Is a 3rd or 4th round pick in 2029 worth more than a 5th round pick in 2025? (And that's the near best case scenario.)
3. Milton might also turn into a pumpkin. One game is one game. Personally, I remain very skeptical of Milton. But he's intriguing enough to consider.

As far as I see it, if the Patriots believe Drake Maye is their guy (and there's good reason to think he is), it makes a lot of sense to sell high on Milton.

Any team buying high on Milton is high. One game is not enough. If its a really low throw away pick, then I can understand that. If I were the Pats, I'd hold on to Milton for at least another year and see if there's more opportunities to showcase his skill set if possible, but that's just me.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

You are the first and only one. I can't even find one Giants fan that agrees with you so far and they are actually living this out today.

And I don't know if one year of Stafford is a foregone conclusion or not. But, it's foolish to not consider that risk. Again, people believe that they can do things their bodies later show them they can no longer do all the time as we age. You couldn't tell me years ago that I couldn't still slam dunk a basketball until I actually tried to do so.

I think you undervalue the #3 overall selection in the draft and forget that it doesn't have to be used on a QB. Is that player guaranteed to be a success? No. But, the odds are much higher compared to selections at the bottom of the round. Plus it could possibly be traded for even more shots at this crapshoot we call the NFL draft. That selection is extremely valuable even moreso in the salary cap era.

There are no guarantees with any draft pick, especially for a GM that doesn’t have a ton of success drafting. There is a guarantee with a proven QB though. Any QB can have an injury happen at any time that could ruin their career. If I’m betting, then it’s on a sure thing.

As for Giants fans, and a lot of other fans in general, they tend to overvalue draft picks a bit. It’s the hope that gets them thinking that way. We experienced the difference when the Rams traded for Cooks, then got Ramsey and for Stafford and for Von Miller. Getting the proven stars is always better than praying that your GM will make the right pick. GMs screw them up all of the time. What did the Rams get with picks from trading Dickerson. Or from trading RGIII. I’m rolling the dice on getting 2-3 years of a stud QB instead of waiting for my team to sit around and suck until another one falls into their laps.

As a Rams fan. I hope Snead and company get Stafford signed. The Super Bowl window is open.

 

[jrry32]

Any team buying high on Milton is high. One game is not enough. If its a really low throw away pick, then I can understand that. If I were the Pats, I'd hold on to Milton for at least another year and see if there's more opportunities to showcase his skill set if possible, but that's just me.

Depends on the price.

 

[Memphis Ram]

There are no guarantees with any draft pick, especially for a GM that doesn’t have a ton of success drafting. There is a guarantee with a proven QB though. Any QB can have an injury happen at any time that could ruin their career. If I’m betting, then it’s on a sure thing.

As for Giants fans, and a lot of other fans in general, they tend to overvalue draft picks a bit. It’s the hope that gets them thinking that way. We experienced the difference when the Rams traded for Cooks, then got Ramsey and for Stafford and for Von Miller. Getting the proven stars is always better than praying that your GM will make the right pick. GMs screw them up all of the time. What did the Rams get with picks from trading Dickerson. Or from trading RGIII. I’m rolling the dice on getting 2-3 years of a stud QB instead of waiting for my team to sit around and suck until another one falls into their laps.

As a Rams fan. I hope Snead and company get Stafford signed. The Super Bowl window is open.

You know why a lot of fans in general tend to "overvalue draft picks a bit?" Because actual NFL teams place such a high value on them. Why is that? Because they are valuable in team building. They are extremely important in this salary cap era and provide the best chance at adding young talent to the team.

An injury to a 37 year old QB is far more likely to be career ending than a younger QB. And it doesn't even have to be a career ending injury. Just a mere decline in abilities is far more likely as we age. Getting proven stars (most of whom are in their prime) when you have selections at the bottom of rounds is better as a draft classes blue chip talent is usually long gone by then and the success rate of players selected later in the 1st round drops significantly. But, I struggle to recall any NFL trade in the salary cap era where a 37 year old player was dealt for a pick as high as #3 overall in any draft class. And especially not a 37 year old player that the acquiring team STILL HAS TO SIGN TO A HUGE CONTRACT. Aaron Rodgers who has/had a better resume than Stafford couldn't even garner anything close to that type of value in return.

And any smart team would offer a lower compensation package and if a deal couldn't get done, move on to other possible options. And contrary to what may be popular belief they do exist. My guess is the Rams wouldn't even consider any type of trade AT ALL if other options didn't exist. It shouldn't take much to upgrade the QB position from Daniel Jones.

BTW, I'm a Rams fan that doesn't believe the Rams Super Bowl window closes if Stafford is traded. Not if Sean McVay is the offensive genius everyone says.

 

[DzRams]

Totally agree with ya, Memphis.

I checked out the Giants message board, and a few of their comments regarding potentially trading their #3 overall pick for Stafford: "insane", "crazy", "terrible", "complete incompetence", and "maybe I'd do it for a 4th round pick."

I usually like Cowherd's takes, and I agree with @Merlin usually too.

But Stafford for the #3 overall pick is just not even within the realm of the possible.

A few more reasons:

Gotta consider potential upside and potential downside. Upside of a #3 overall pick is a cornerstone player for a DECADE (not necessarily a QB). Guys like Barry Sanders, Larry Fitzgerald, Joe Thomas-- all of whom were taken at #3.

Downside of acquiring a 37-y-o QB with a LONG injury history is that one more significant injury and the threat of retirement is very real.

Lastly-- the trade value chart. Giants #3 pick is valued at 2200 points. The Jets sent a package for Aaron Rodgers (2nd round pick plus a future 2nd rounder) that was worth about 750 points. So why on earth would the Giants offer a package for Stafford that is THREE TIMES as much as what the Jets offered for AR?

Bottom line, I agree with Schefter that there is ZERO chance that the Giants even consider the #3 overall for MS. The potential downside is just too huge.

I can't believe there is so much bandwidth to people thinking that Stafford alone could fetch the #3 pick. 0% chance.

Makes me remember that the word fans is short for fanatics.