Matthew Stafford Contract Status

[El Chapo Jr]

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So basically all were playoff QBs except Winston.

 

[Loyal]

I need to get really trashed one of these days and read all of So Rams posts to see if I can make sense of it. If I don't survive, you'll all know why!

"Been there!" ~ @Allen2McVay

 

[Memphis Ram]

So basically all were playoff QBs except Winston.

Yep.

But Allen also had 28 passing TDs and 12 rushing TDs. (Team finished 2nd in points scored).
Mayfield had 41 passing TDs and 3 rushing TDs. (Team finished 4th in points scored).
Hurts had 18 passing TD and 14 rushing TDs (not sure how many were tush pushes). (Team finished 7th in points scored).

Stafford 20 passing TDs. O rushing TDs. (Team finished 20th in points scored).

 

[Allen2McVay]

"Been there!" ~ @Allen2McVay

You Don't Know Me!

But ... How did you Know!!!

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Yep.

But Allen also had 28 passing TDs and 12 rushing TDs. (Team finished 2nd in points scored).
Mayfield had 41 passing TDs and 3 rushing TDs. (Team finished 4th in points scored).
Hurts had 18 passing TD and 14 rushing TDs (not sure how many were tush pushes). (Team finished 7th in points scored).

Stafford 20 passing TDs. O rushing TDs. (Team finished 20th in points scored).

Part of that is thrown off by all the injuries we suffered on that o-line. I still rather have Stafford back as there is no better option. Dude was on the brink if eliminating the bitch ass Eagles if not for our shitty blocking up front. We definitely need to get a QB of the future behind Stafford but it also can't be forced just because he's closer to retirement than not since that would be a huge mistake. We need to roll with Stafford until the team has truly run its course with him. No matter what, anything after Stafford is really gonna be painful to see.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Of course. No one disputes that every QB has dropped INTs.

But I hope you are wrong because the stat I read about him leading the league was around midseason.

The most glaring bad throws were near the end of the season, at least that I remember.

Early in the year he did have a bit of a struggle with poor line play and time to throw

 

[DzRams]

Yep.

But Allen also had 28 passing TDs and 12 rushing TDs. (Team finished 2nd in points scored).
Mayfield had 41 passing TDs and 3 rushing TDs. (Team finished 4th in points scored).
Hurts had 18 passing TD and 14 rushing TDs (not sure how many were tush pushes). (Team finished 7th in points scored).

Stafford 20 passing TDs. O rushing TDs. (Team finished 20th in points scored).

We had so many OL and WR injuries the first half of the season that it's not a fair or accurate comparison to look at the entire season.

Maybe you could tell us how many points we scored and our ranking the second half of the season.

 

[Memphis Ram]

The most glaring bad throws were near the end of the season, at least that I remember.

Early in the year he did have a bit of a struggle with poor line play and time to throw

We had so many OL and WR injuries the first half of the season that it's not a fair or accurate comparison to look at the entire season.

Maybe you could tell us how many points we scored and our ranking the second half of the season.

That's true. I just remember Tampa Bay losing Chris Godwin for the majority of the season. There may be more time missed from them and others, but I don't feel like looking it up.

Upon a quick perusal the offense only scored 21 points or more in 3 of his last 8 2024 regular season games.
Stafford had 9 TDs during his first 8 games and 11 in his final 8 games.

BTW, It also looks like Stafford only had 4 more TDs and 3 more INTs the prior season in one fewer game.

 

[Mojo Ram]

There should be a statistic for INT’s and back breaking INT’s.

Then we can track dropped INT’s and dropped back breaking INT’s.

Nevermind.

 

[Faceplant]

That's true. I just remember Tampa Bay losing Chris Godwin for the majority of the season. There may be more time missed from them and others, but I don't feel like looking it up.

Upon a quick perusal the offense only scored 21 points or more in 3 of his last 8 2024 regular season games.
Stafford had 9 TDs during his first 8 games and 11 in his final 8 games.

BTW, It also looks like Stafford only had 4 more TDs and 3 more INTs the prior season in one fewer game.

That matches what we all saw, obviously. Stafford gives the Rams the best chance to win, no question about that. However, the Rams offense is still not very good even when healthy.

That's not on Stafford of course. Everyone has to be better if they want to take the next step. The players, coaches.... McVay in particular. The Rams got as far as they did this season, in large part, due to the outstanding play of their young defense. I believe the defense was also the lowest paid in the league?? If the (leagues most expensive) offense was even top 15, they are probably playing next Sunday.

 

[Memphis Ram]

That matches what we all saw, obviously. Stafford gives the Rams the best chance to win, no question about that. However, the Rams offense is still not very good even when healthy.

That's not on Stafford of course. Everyone has to be better if they want to take the next step. The players, coaches.... McVay in particular. The Rams got as far as they did this season, in large part, due to the outstanding play of their young defense. I believe the defense was also the lowest paid in the league?? If the (leagues most expensive) offense was even top 15, they are probably playing next Sunday.

Matthew Stafford gives the team the best chance to win vs. Garoppolo short term.

However, it's possible that Stafford may not give the team the best chance to win over Garoppolo PLUS players obtained via draft pick compensation and the cap space cleared of moving him. And that's short term and long term.

IMO, that's the Rams dilemma.

 

[majrleaged]

Matthew Stafford gives the team the best chance to win vs. Garoppolo short term.

However, it's possible that Stafford may not give the team the best chance to win over Garoppolo PLUS players obtained via draft pick compensation and the cap space cleared of moving him. And that's short term and long term.

IMO, that's the Rams dilemma.

I think short term is the priority, with long term being considered. Garoppolo has always been a really good back up that played on a really good team. Then when he went to the Raiders he looked like what he is. A QB that floats at the level of the talent around him.

No doubt Stafford's numbers are middle of the pack, but if you think Grabmypole could have got this team to the playoffs the last 2 years, my opinion is you are mistaken.

You are also mistaken with your premise that keeping Stafford will make it impossible to upgrade the talent on this team. The last 2 years have proved that premise to be wrong.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

That's true. I just remember Tampa Bay losing Chris Godwin for the majority of the season. There may be more time missed from them and others, but I don't feel like looking it up.

Upon a quick perusal the offense only scored 21 points or more in 3 of his last 8 2024 regular season games.
Stafford had 9 TDs during his first 8 games and 11 in his final 8 games.

BTW, It also looks like Stafford only had 4 more TDs and 3 more INTs the prior season in one fewer game.

Coen was very good with the Bucs offense. He lost Godwin but was able to have a productive offense. One way he did that was by being creative in the run game.

I found it interesting that McVay mentioned Coen in one of his recent PCs. He also said that they need to be more creative on offense. I wonder if he’s thinking of copying some of what Coen did. The Rams offense felt a bit predictable at times this season.

Maybe scheme hindered Stafford a bit because many defenses seemed to be in the right place at the right time far more often than in recent seasons.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Matthew Stafford gives the team the best chance to win vs. Garoppolo short term.

However, it's possible that Stafford may not give the team the best chance to win over Garoppolo PLUS players obtained via draft pick compensation and the cap space cleared of moving him. And that's short term and long term.

IMO, that's the Rams dilemma.

Considering how well the young defense played later in the year, a few weapons could be all it takes to get the offense rolling again and give this team a better shot at a Super Bowl next year.

That’s how I’d be thinking if I was Snead and McVay. The window is wide open. Short term would be my focus, which means keeping Stafford.

 

[Memphis Ram]

I think short term is the priority, with long term being considered. Garoppolo has always been a really good back up that played on a really good team. Then when he went to the Raiders he looked like what he is. A QB that floats at the level of the talent around him.

No doubt Stafford's numbers are middle of the pack, but if you think Grabmypole could have got this team to the playoffs the last 2 years, my opinion is you are mistaken.

You are also mistaken with your premise that keeping Stafford will make it impossible to upgrade the talent on this team. The last 2 years have proved that premise to be wrong.

I've already stated that Stafford is a better option than Garoppolo alone. And whether or not he could have gotten this team to the playoffs the last 2 seasons is irrelevant. 2025 and beyond is what matters.

And I never said it was impossible to upgrade the talent on this team by keeping Stafford. My point was that it is possible that it would be easier and more could be done to add AND maintain said talent by moving him instead of increasing the HUGE dead cap hit the team has got coming when he's done.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Considering how well the young defense played later in the year, a few weapons could be all it takes to get the offense rolling again and give this team a better shot at a Super Bowl next year.

That’s how I’d be thinking if I was Snead and McVay. The window is wide open. Short term would be my focus, which means keeping Stafford.

In 2021 I'd probably agree with you. But with soon to be 37 year old Matthew Stafford with perhaps a huge new contract I having trouble getting there.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Coen was very good with the Bucs offense. He lost Godwin but was able to have a productive offense. One way he did that was by being creative in the run game.

I found it interesting that McVay mentioned Coen in one of his recent PCs. He also said that they need to be more creative on offense. I wonder if he’s thinking of copying some of what Coen did. The Rams offense felt a bit predictable at times this season.

Maybe scheme hindered Stafford a bit because many defenses seemed to be in the right place at the right time far more often than in recent seasons.

I'm hoping he lessens the 11 personnel illusion of complexity stuff and better varies his personnel packages while focusing more on play action.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Considering how well the young defense played later in the year, a few weapons could be all it takes to get the offense rolling again and give this team a better shot at a Super Bowl next year.

That’s how I’d be thinking if I was Snead and McVay. The window is wide open. Short term would be my focus, which means keeping Stafford.

Exactly, if a team is close, you take your shot at a Superbowl as they are already hard as hell to win.

 

[So Ram]

I've already stated that Stafford is a better option than Garoppolo alone. And whether or not he could have gotten this team to the playoffs the last 2 seasons is irrelevant. 2025 and beyond is what matters.

And I never said it was impossible to upgrade the talent on this team by keeping Stafford. My point was that it is possible that it would be easier and more could be done to add AND maintain said talent by moving him instead of increasing the HUGE dead cap hit the team has got coming when he's done.

Dude - I totally agree.I enjoyed watching Jimmy G’s pocket presence which Mattew Stafford doesn’t have.As far as QB & passing ? Stafford is a HOF QB . He also playing at a high level,but still keeps the offense in a box.
—What I saw was how Jimmy G used outlets to keep the chains moving & letting the players make plays.We all saw the last drive & it’s also part of how The Rams season ended as well.With a chance to win in The Red Zone.

—The point your making is sort f like the AD99 point !! I’d say moving on would not be the End of ALL !! Finding depth is going to be huge & building this group of Great Draft Classes.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Exactly, if a team is close, you take your shot at a Superbowl as they are already hard as hell to win.

More than one way to take a shot.