Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[Mackeyser]

But at the end of the day the Rams outbid 1/4 of the NFL, correct?

Well, it wasn't just the Rams, but yeah.

SF wasn't gonna give up their 1st so whichever team ponied that up (wasn't the Rams) knocked SF out and NE was ready to put a strong offer up, but Stafford vetoed JUST them...LOL.

Worse for everyone else, we are finding out in this process that the Texans are gonna want what might be a record haul or they'll let him sit.

So after the Stafford deal, we also found that Stafford was the only game in town.

Watson's a no go

Rodgers' a no go

Goff's in Detroit now

Stafford's a Ram

Those were the top 4 QBs in what was supposed to be a wild QB off-season.

Now the prize is Wentz?????

So yeah, we didn't initially outbid more than 1/4 of the NFL directly, but if they could run it back, I think Detroit would be fielding even bigger offers ... because the dropoff from Stafford or even Goff is substantial.

What's left out there are journeymen on oft-injured expensive QBs like Jimmy G and Wentz.

Accounting for the opportunity costs, the Rams jacked the rest of the NFL on this... and Detroit getting Goff on the come back was a stroke of genius, too.

Win Win.

 

[Neil039]

@Mackeyser ....”Now the prize is Wentz?????”

LMAO

 

[WestCoastRam]

What he did the first two years with McVay was awesome. The last two years, not so much.

if he had continued to grow and not turned the ball over at an alarming rate he would still be in horns.

Christ, can I get that embroidered on a pillow?

 

[Mackeyser]

@Mackeyser ....”Now the prize is Wentz?????”

LMAO

Hahaha, right?

 

[MachS]

But at the end of the day the Rams outbid 1/4 of the NFL, correct?

If you go by the NFL trade value chart, both the Carolina and Washington offers were better than ours. Future picks are worth a decent amount less than current year picks. Plus late 1st rounders are worth a lot less than early 1st round picks.

But we gave them a starting QB in Goff...yet Detroit did take his entire contract. It really depends on how much Brad Holmes valued Goff, but there's a lot of chatter about Stafford asking to be dealt to LA and the Lions wanting to send him off on a good note. That definitely was a factor in their decision.

 

[raised_fisT]

I've LOUDLY voiced my displeasure with Goff over the years. But kicking the dude on his way out is poor form.

I think he may have lost his teammates and coaches confidence but I don't buy some of the other stuff being reported. If the work ethic was questionable....why throw all that cash at him? That's on Management.

Imo, the lack of fire and leadership is what did the trick. We just never saw him take that next step. The "too cool for school" approach just wasn't going to fly. I'm excited to see how the team responds to Stafford.

Damn, I hope fans are allowed at SoFi this year. Can't wait.

 

[badnews]

About Stafford as the Rams Quarterback: I'm definitely excited to see what he can do. Always liked him.
Wish all of it could have happened in a cleaner, less-Les Snead kinda way... but its where we are now... and we could certainly do worse than Stafford.
If McVay is right and his buddy Matt is the man to make this offense great again, those 2 first round picks will be low ones anyway.

 

[Mackeyser]

I've LOUDLY voiced my displeasure with Goff over the years. But kicking the dude on his way out is poor form.

I think he may have lost his teammates and coaches confidence but I don't buy some of the other stuff being reported. If the work ethic was questionable....why throw all that cash at him? That's on Management.

Imo, the lack of fire and leadership is what did the trick. We just never saw him take that next step. The "too cool for school" approach just wasn't going to fly. I'm excited to see how the team responds to Stafford.

Damn, I hope fans are allowed at SoFi this year. Can't wait.

if there was an issue with work ethic or preparation, it wouldn't have happened until after the extension...after the Super Bowl.

There's no way this FO sends him all that money if he's not putting in the work prior...

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I’d be interested in reading the things you just referenced can you share?

I can try searching it tommorrow. Its usually comments here or there made after the draft. Nothing I saved. I read an article several years ago in GMs rankings by prospects in tiers. Tier one would be the best of the draft, more elite of types. We think of the draft in rounds but they don't. Most drafts the tier one group isn't that big and rarely reaches the end of round 1. It often stops between 10 and 20. Then the tier two group is usually bigger. It varies every year. One group can be very large in some years. Those years are the ones that we hear are loaded in rounds two and three. They also give tiers round grades. Since each GM and scouting staff has their particular traits they look for, some can have much more narrow draft boards with smaller tiers. I remember reading that the Patriots were very particular with who they wanted and that is why they often traded back so much. Many years the first round group didn't supply exactly what they were looking for, so it was more effective to trade back and get more picks. I think Snead is in the same situation now that elite athletes aren't alk that he looks for, like he did with Fisher. Snead gets into more advanced metrics to narrow down what he is looking for. I'm guessing those metrics are what helps him successfully find Safeties and corners. Unfortunately, with Holmes gone to Detroit, there will be another team using the exact same scouting methods thus increasing competition for the same players. I'm sure their are other teams using them but each staff has different priorities.

 

[Mackeyser]

This is fascinating... We have a trade involving a QB, who won a lot of games and many big ones, and who the "experts," never gave any credit to when his team won those games. In fact many would say they won them in spite of him.

So he is traded for a QB, who has won few if any "big games" and in fact lost a ton of games with little team success throughout his career. Yet these same talking heads blame everyone else for that dismal record and claim this QB is among the best.

Now that all may be true, but it will be interesting to see if all of those widely accepted assertions bear out to be true.

Archie Manning was a better QB by FAR than Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco, Nick Foles, Jeff Hostetler and Jim McMahon, but Archie Manning had a losing record even as he was a Pro Bowl player and never SNIFFED the playoffs. All those other dudes won the Super Bowl.

Archie was tough as nails, too.

I mean can you imagine someone making the pro bowl on a 2-11-1 team in this day and age? HE was amazing on some really bad teams.

Matt Stafford is this generation's Archie Manning, except with FA, he's going to a winner in his prime.

Also, football can't be a team sport for Goff, but a game that Stafford can "win or lose" by himself.

Was Barry Sanders bad? He had 12 carries for -1 yards in a playoff game. Never put up big numbers in the playoffs the few times he was there. Never carried his team to victory.

Guess that dude sucked...

 

[Mackeyser]

View: https://twitter.com/mysportsupdate/status/1356453839692529667?s=21


That’s crazy.

Makes this seem like the sequel to Draft Day...

 

[badnews]

I realize no one can possibly know but I wonder what realistic expectations should be for Staffords shelf life at this point?

I mean, we are assuming Stafford is our "long term" answer right? How many years before father time makes his arm just average and his legs less mobile?

Five years would be amazing. Is that probably being too optimistic? He'd be 36 that season. That seems optimistic to me. Guys are playing longer than ever now so its certainly possible.

 

[Rambitious1]

Five years would be amazing. Is that probably being too optimistic? He'd be 36 that season. That seems optimistic to me. Guys are playing longer than ever now so its certainly possible.

Five years from right now he will be on the verge of turning 38.

 

[XXXIVwin]

I realize no one can possibly know but I wonder what realistic expectations should be for Staffords shelf life at this point?

I mean, we are assuming Stafford is our "long term" answer right? How many years before father time makes his arm just average and his legs less mobile?

Five years would be amazing. Is that probably being too optimistic? He'd be 36 that season. That seems optimistic to me. Guys are playing longer than ever now so its certainly possible.

With Brees and Brady playing past 42, Stafford should give us at least 5 years, right? He'd be 33, 34, 35, 36, and 37 in those years.

But will he retire after only 5 Super Bowl trophies? That's the real question.

 

[Loyal]

With Brees and Brady playing past 42, Stafford should give us at least 5 years, right? He'd be 33, 34, 35, 36, and 37 in those years.

But will he retire after only 5 Super Bowl trophies? That's the real question.

Hell nah. I gotta win more Super Bowls than Tommy boy ~ Matty Stones

 

[XXXIVwin]

View: https://twitter.com/mysportsupdate/status/1356453839692529667?s=21


That’s crazy.

Makes this seem like the sequel to Draft Day...

That is crazy.

Sounds like Carolina’s #8 pick was “roughly comparable” to our two 1st rounders.

So the extra key elements were:
(a) faith that Goff could be a good “bridge” QB, and perhaps more than that, and
(b) the extra 3rd rounder this year.

Regardless, the strength of Carolina’s offer tells me that the market for Stafford was damn strong, and that the Rams did not grossly overpay for him, as we all initially believed. Stafford easily could have been in Carolina.

Lastly: Stafford REALLY wanted to be with McVay, and the Lions wanted to do right by him. For all those critical of McVay and Snead... don’t discount how important it is that big time free agents WANT to come here now.

 

[PhillyRam]

Archie Manning was a better QB by FAR than Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco, Nick Foles, Jeff Hostetler and Jim McMahon, but Archie Manning had a losing record even as he was a Pro Bowl player and never SNIFFED the playoffs. All those other dudes won the Super Bowl.

Archie was tough as nails, too.

I mean can you imagine someone making the pro bowl on a 2-11-1 team in this day and age? HE was amazing on some really bad teams.

Matt Stafford is this generation's Archie Manning, except with FA, he's going to a winner in his prime.

Also, football can't be a team sport for Goff, but a game that Stafford can "win or lose" by himself.

Was Barry Sanders bad? He had 12 carries for -1 yards in a playoff game. Never put up big numbers in the playoffs the few times he was there. Never carried his team to victory.

Guess that dude sucked...

I said it might all be true... Just said it was fascinating that these two QBs, with those two narratives were traded for each other.

And let's not compare Goff to Dilfer. The overwhelming majority of Goff's success with the Rams was due to the offense he led. This past yr was the first time the D was considered the strength of the team.

 

[Mackeyser]

I said it might all be true... Just said it was fascinating that these two QBs, with those two narratives were traded for each other.

And let's not compare Goff to Dilfer. The overwhelming majority of Goff's success with the Rams was due to the offense he led. This past yr was the first time the D was considered the strength of the team.

Yeah, I was only talking about Stafford.

I wasn't comparing Goff to those other QBs.

 

[Mackeyser]

Here's the article where Snead talks about how good Brad Holmes is as well as how he views our late 1st round picks.

Why the Rams have traded away so many first-round picks: An inside look at Los Angeles' unique draft strategy

The Rams have gone against the grain and it's a draft strategy that has worked well for them

www.cbssports.com

 

[Memento]

Okay, I'm off the ledge. I still am waiting to see what happens...only more skeptically. I have nothing against Stafford, and I hope this works out for the best...but I have doubts that I didn't have before.