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Ummm, you have watched Goff play the last 2 years right? Saying he has been inconsistent would be an understatement. His neck up talent just wasn’t good enough for McVay. I am only surprised by how quickly this happened, and the cost.
Goff has not been good the last couple of years, but the whole offense has been stale since the Bears game two years ago. The Bears figured us out and the league followed. Our line can't pass block to save their lives and our offense is so predictable. I would expect more innovation and variety from McVay. Goff was in the pro bowl and the superbowl just a couple of years ago, so we know he has the talent. He was good enough then to be given a huge contract 2 years early.
I don't know what happened between him and McVay, but their relationship has fallen apart. Does McVay rub people the
wrong way sometimes? IDK.

The thing that really bugs me is the contract decisions that have been made. We didn't have to give Goff a new contract and he could have just walked this year, no cap crunch and no draft picks. His new contract doesn't start till this next year. We have really hurt ourselves with dead cap money the last couple of years. We wasted enough cap that could have filled every hole with quality players.

I think we will probably be better this year, but we have mortgaged our future by making bad decisions.
 

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can someone please help me out here. why are people calling this a salary dump? they're paying stafford $43m the next 2 seasons and by trading goff away they got rid of his $43m in guaranteed money.

so the net gain is zero.

it's actually worse because they accelerated the bonus cap hit to this season.

so in essence they only traded goff away because mcvay was done with him.

i still can't believe they gave away 2 1sts as well.

nobody will convince me stafford is 2 1st round picks better than goff.

ah well, it is what it is. hopefully i feel better by the time next season starts because i get no joy from this trade today.

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I thought Goff would be worth at least a 1 to a team like Washington or Indy... but apparently even with his resume, Goff is barely holding a starting spot in Detroit and they may still draft a QB.

Also, rest assured, if Goff eats it in Detroit, he may never be a starter again.

Eventually, we'll get an autopsy on this relationship as well as what happened with Goff and McVay. Trickles now are coming out, but I don't trust them fully because there's too much chance for the tidbits to be one sided.
 

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My sentiments exactly.
I know Gurley had an injury, Goff is a different case, but other than the likes of Brockers and Donald, we are seeing a lot of players come and go, especially on defence.

I think this team is going to continue this trend and throw all our best picks in trades and take a chance in later rounds.
Somewhere Jared broke mentally and lost all of his confidence.
 

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For those upset about the Rams giving up two 1st rounders... Here are the Rams recent 1st round picks:

2009 Jason Smith
2010 Sam Bradford

2011 Robert Quinn
2012 Michael Brockers
2013 Tavon Austin + Alec Olgetree
2014
Greg Robinson + Aaron Donald
2015 Todd Gurley
2016 Jared Goff

Well I always viewed the Rams finally hitting in the first round as central to their turnaround. Gurley, Donald and Goff all played large roles on the 2017-2018 Rams. I'm just glad Les didn't trade away the 13th overall pick in 2014 before we got to use it. Donald would never have been a Ram.

Sitting out the first round for seven years in a row is a lot of missed opportunity. Who really knows who we might've gotten, in 2017
Deshaun Watson, Pat Mahomes, Christian McCaffery, TJ Watt were all on the board at the Rams original draft slot, but they traded it away - for Goff.
 

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This is interesting. At first blush it would seem we over did it. I am sure in time all questions will be answered. With Goff no longer a Ram, I feel safe in saying I was never impressed with him. He has the arm. No question there. But I never saw the fire in his eyes. Wasn't ever sure if he was just thick or just didn't give a shit. That's just my opinion. No disrespect to those who feel otherwise. I have seen the fire in Matt's eyes before. If this is our path lets shore up the line and give him a few weapons and make a run at the big show.
 

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Whew! What a thread!

Yeah. Whoa.


I saw a rumor that Detroit might flip him to Indy. If that happens, oh boy, McVay and Snead could end up looking very, very bad.

I could see this. Or additional move of Goff.


Also be glad that in an offseason with at least three competitive teams in San Fran, Indy, and the Rams, that Snead and company were agggressive and made the move that they feel needed to be made, instead of allowing the Niners or Colts to dictate the situation. I bet Shanahan is livid.

Exactly. We can say we gave up too much, but Stafford is highly respected around the league.

So, we got a great player. Dislike the trade if you want, but highly coveted player here.


So be it. We finally have a QB.

That’s it. Debate over. Proven guy. Go win, Rams.


Yea I agree 3 first rounders in the trade for Goff + the contract is painful. Just horrible in hindsight. But if Goff is no longer what you want at QB you have two options:

1) you sit in limbo with a QB you no longer want just because you gave him a bad contract. Waste the primes of AD, Ramsey, etc...
2) you rip off the band-aid, be aggressive and go get someone you want

We have an aggressive coach and GM so not surprised we took the second route.

This is spot on. If they were ready to move on... You can’t just sit back and waffle.


So Detroit didn't fuck us, we fucked ourselves. (y)

Thats what hurts. The Goff contract was our own doing.


I’m not going to applaud our FO for being able to trade a bad contract (using future picks) when it was the same exact FO who is responsible for give said bad contract to said player. Am I crazy or what?!?

Well... I also thought similar... so the guys that extended Goff are now deciding that was wrong, and THIS is the answer?

I understand why ppl are skeptical.


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The worst news is possibly still coming for Jared. There's no way his girlfriend is moving to Detroit. He could be going there all alone. Talk about a shit sandwich.

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But his millions travel...


At least we won't have multiple Goff bashing threads.

Hot damn. At least we have this debate settled!


Statistics without context are meaningless.

This is fair. Laying Stafford stats next to Goff makes no sense. Stafford was not in a statistically favourable spot as Goff... mostly.


Everyone respects Stafford.

I keep coming back to this. It might have been our only PROVEN option... if our goal is to win, now.


And the fact McVay targeted him means he wants his ability to stretch the field. IMO.

That will be fun to watch! Woooo!


That's how I see it. He loved Goff at one time too.
Then he didnt...

Its hard to explain. There is something going on here.

We will learn more...


I thought McVay wanted a mobile QB

I was convinced too, but maybe it’s more “able to move confidently in and around pocket”. So... Stafford IS stronger there, mobility wise.


If Stafford is all about winning and his career/legacy, then he should take a low one year extension restructuring to enable us to add to the team and give him the playoffs and SB run he desires.

Lets see... that would be cool.


Rams woulda traded those 1st round picks for a player/players anyways more than likely since they dont really value unknown commodeties when they can get proven known ones,

Clearly a strategy they favor. Make those picks matter.


And I'll bet they get him a weapon for the passing game on top of a center.

Another cool thing to look forward to.


I went ahead and thought back to a few moments this season where I really thought Goff just wasn't the guy. Kinda glad we moved on tbh, but damn if it doesn't feel like putting down a favorite dog. I think the reason there is so much pain with this is because in just two seasons since a SB appearance the foundational pieces that we loved and thought would be here for a long time are just..poof...gone.

Well said. Describes the ride I took waking up to this news.


Now, screw the pain. Stafford is a good to very good QB. Let's not kid ourselves and say that isn't an upgrade RIGHT NOW.

Closing with this. Well said.

Stafford is F-ing good. Now he’s ours.

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I thought Goff would be worth at least a 1 to a team like Washington or Indy... but apparently even with his resume, Goff is barely holding a starting spot in Detroit and they may still draft a QB.

Also, rest assured, if Goff eats it in Detroit, he may never be a starter again.

Eventually, we'll get an autopsy on this relationship as well as what happened with Goff and McVay. Trickles now are coming out, but I don't trust them fully because there's too much chance for the tidbits to be one sided.

I guess we'll see what Detroit does with Goff, but it's striking to me that a team with a GM who worked for the Rams and at least one former Rams coach traded for Goff. You'd think if Goff were an incompetent bum holding McVay back, Holmes and Pleasant would know this as well as anybody and want nothing to do with him.
 

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Goff has not been good the last couple of years, but the whole offense has been stale since the Bears game two years ago. The Bears figured us out and the league followed. Our line can't pass block to save their lives and our offense is so predictable. I would expect more innovation and variety from McVay. Goff was in the pro bowl and the superbowl just a couple of years ago, so we know he has the talent. He was good enough then to be given a huge contract 2 years early.
I don't know what happened between him and McVay, but their relationship has fallen apart. Does McVay rub people the
wrong way sometimes? IDK.

The thing that really bugs me is the contract decisions that have been made. We didn't have to give Goff a new contract and he could have just walked this year, no cap crunch and no draft picks. His new contract doesn't start till this next year. We have really hurt ourselves with dead cap money the last couple of years. We wasted enough cap that could have filled every hole with quality players.

I think we will probably be better this year, but we have mortgaged our future by making bad decisions.

Couple of things.

I think the contract was in anticipation of exploding QB prices which proved to be true. The Watson contract was bigger and the Mahomes contract was MASSIVE... looked like a damned baseball contract... at the time, it made sense... if for nothing else, the economy of NFL QBs... and if Goff continues to play well, no one says boo.

I think there's something to be said for Goff not being able to adjust to McVay's offensive changes. Goff thrived in the simpler offense, but as defenses caught up, Goff didn't keep up. Was it partying or struggling to adjust? I dunno, but that jibes with what we saw on the field.

Lastly, it wasn't the Bears who figured us out, it was the Lions the week before. Yeah, we beat them, but they didn't fully commit to the 6 man fronts. The Bears did the next week and we had no answer. But it was Matt Patricia that figured us out (crap HC, smart DC). As the season wore on, more teams just game planned around sticking with that 6 man front which didn't really come to grab us until the next season as Gurley and CJ Anderson were prolific enough to compensate. Without an outstanding run game to compensate (loss of OL and Gurley fading fast), those fronts haunted us all year.

After spending most of the night really cogitating on it and watching some Lions vids, I'm really warming up to this trade.

The contracts are gonna have to be reigned in, no question. I think part of getting Goff out of the building is getting the last bad contract out. And it is. We have no more hulking contracts from under performing players.

But just from an arm talent, processing, vision and pocket mobility standpoint, Stafford is a pretty big upgrade. I was wrong. Mea culpa.

This still means we need to upgrade the C position... that's the TOP PRIORITY. But all that said, I think our offense is about to rip shit up.

I just hope we get OTAs and a real off-season to get Stafford fully into the offense.

And I'll say it now, the first few games will have hiccups and while I know any miscue will draw a ton of ire, I've been in the GDT before and honestly, I dunno if it could be worse for Stafford than it was for Goff in there...
 

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I guess we'll see what Detroit does with Goff, but it's striking to me that a team with a GM who worked for the Rams and at least one former Rams coach traded for Goff. You'd think if Goff were an incompetent bum holding McVay back, Holmes and Pleasant would know this as well as anybody and want nothing to do with him.

I dunno.

Presume it was that Goff wasn't adjusting to the changes McVay was making in the offense. Was it partying or he just had trouble adjusting to the mental demands.

For Detroit's sake, I hope it was partying because one can stop doing that, but one can't after 5 years in the league just start processing faster. Not like that. Be more consistent, sure.

Anyway, it's done... I feel like I've gone through all 5 stages of grief tonight and my natural disposition to be positive and find ways that something can work and work well is already kicking in.

And honestly... it REALLY, REALLY, REALLY helps that this move completely fucks the 9ers...

I dunno how many other options they have other than Jimmy G, but if they decide to go for Watson, it's gonna be a haul so large, they gonna need more trucks than Art Modell needed to leave Cleveland...
 

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I have not read the whole thread so the points I am about to make have undoubtedly already been made. That said, I LOVE this trade, and that is from someone who got a brand new Goff jersey that's now fucking worthless for christmas.

The Goff contract was a mistake. As soon as they realised that, they were decisive and moved on quickly. Yes, they keep doing stupid contracts that they later regret... but they ALSO keep decisively evaluating and moving on. The Cooks and Gurley trades in hindsight were the correct moves. If you have made a mistake the worst possible thing you can do is double down on it by hoping it gets better. Rip the fucking bandaid off.

It boils down to this - if you arent all in on Goff and you have an opportunity to address that, then you fucking go for it.

Now, Stafford. You are going to love this guy. This is going to be a late career renaissance like Warner at the Cards. He is the real fucking deal and we get to watch an offense without the training wheels that McVay has to install for Goff. I love Goff and I wish him well, he has all the talent - but he doesnt have it upstairs. Stafford does.

Go Rams.
 

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The knock on Goff was he couldn't elevate the team when things around him were not ideal. The irony is the Rams aquire a QB who is the very epitome of that. 10 + plus seasons and no playoff wins and one season with a 100+ passer rating.

The trade equals a lateral upgrade at the QB position. But you lose premium picks and bail on a QB who hasn't peaked yet.

This wasn't the time for this trade.
 

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The knock on Goff was he couldn't elevate the team when things around him were not ideal. The irony is the Rams aquire a QB who is the very epitome of that. 10 + plus seasons and no playoff wins and one season with a 100+ passer rating.

The trade equals a lateral upgrade at the QB position. But you lose premium picks and bail on a QB who hasn't peaked yet.

This wasn't the time for this trade.

I keep coming back to why?

We have 4 solid years of exposure to McVay and Snead's thinking.

Have they EVER dogged a player or even unenthusiastically supported them and not praised them? Even Sam Sloman was praised as he missed kicks and lost his job.

So... WHAT HAPPENED that soured the org on Goff?

The only things I can think of that would sour McVay as much as he clearly soured is if Goff wasn't putting in the work.

Was he doing the 9-5 thing?
Was he partying?
Was he just not getting the adjustments/changes to the offense?

I dunno, but it clearly got SO BAD that we saw something we hadn't seen in 4 years. And this year we went through 3 different kickers which is enough to drive any HC to drink. Nary an unkind word.

I still think highly of Goff and wish him the best. I really do. And I feel the loss of this trade because there was such potential there. I mean I just got my 6 year old granddaughter a Goff jersey for Xmas!

But in the end, it wasn't being realized and McVay is an aggressive HC intent on winning and he clearly so no path to victory by remaining with Goff.

We'll find out if it was a mistake or maybe Goff's future success required the move. I do feel pretty confident the more I read external evaluations of how players and league people feel about Stafford on the Rams that this was a much better move than I thought.

I said the move we made would be expensive and this one was, but the price included taking Goff off our hands (which needed to happen to trade for anyone) and they took his guarantees going forward and we got a QB that many are saying is perfect for the McVay offense.

All we can do is hope that the potential of this trade is realized and we see some Lombardis ahead of us!
 

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The knock on Goff was he couldn't elevate the team when things around him were not ideal. The irony is the Rams aquire a QB who is the very epitome of that. 10 + plus seasons and no playoff wins and one season with a 100+ passer rating.

The trade equals a lateral upgrade at the QB position. But you lose premium picks and bail on a QB who hasn't peaked yet.

This wasn't the time for this trade.

If you're saying that Hellram I don't think you've watched enough Stafford. He elevated a terrible franchise that should've been among the leagues worst into an average one. All on his shoulders and with his leadership. He had no coaching, no defense, no running game...every single year. He played his ass off. Fastest player in NFL history to 20K yards, 30K, 40K.

If you swapped Goff and Stafford the past 4 years under McVay, not only do we win the Super Bowl, but he has a lot of playoff wins.

We now have an elite armed passer who understands the mental side of QB on an entirety different level, and he's entering the best situation of his life with our offensive talent, our defense, and McVay. We're about to go contend for the NFC title brother.
 

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What IF... our target isn’t Stafford...

Instead... we are moving up for Trevor Lawrence...

  1. We deal Stafford for 2 firsts.
  2. We package future “pretend 1st round draft picks” (it’s Jacksonville... let’s see if they don’t know we’ve already dealt them).
  3. We include the rights to Claude Wroten

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If you're saying that Hellram I don't think you've watched enough Stafford. He elevated a terrible franchise that should've been among the leagues worst into an average one. All on his shoulders and with his leadership. He had no coaching, no defense, no running game...every single year. He played his ass off. Fastest player in NFL history to 20K yards, 30K, 40K.

If you swapped Goff and Stafford the past 4 years under McVay, not only do we win the Super Bowl, but he has a lot of playoff wins.

We now have an elite armed passer who understands the mental side of QB on an entirety different level, and he's entering the best situation of his life with our offensive talent, our defense, and McVay. We're about to go contend for the NFC title brother.

That's not all necessarily true. Caldwell was a solid coach for the Lions they just fired him too season but they were a solid defensive team when he was there (3rd one year). Stafford has had better recieving options by in large. Yeah, they're are some truths to what you are saying. However, even when Stafford has had his opportunities. He hasn't necessarily made any memorable moments.

I just can't honestly say Stafford is or will be a better QB then Goff is or will be.
 

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I think McVay believed more in Jared Goff than Jared believed in himself and McVay got tired waiting for Jared to take that leap into consistently elite play. I wish Jared well, which in Detroit means having a winning season...
 

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I keep coming back to why?

We have 4 solid years of exposure to McVay and Snead's thinking.

Have they EVER dogged a player or even unenthusiastically supported them and not praised them? Even Sam Sloman was praised as he missed kicks and lost his job.

So... WHAT HAPPENED that soured the org on Goff?

The only things I can think of that would sour McVay as much as he clearly soured is if Goff wasn't putting in the work.

Was he doing the 9-5 thing?
Was he partying?
Was he just not getting the adjustments/changes to the offense?

I dunno, but it clearly got SO BAD that we saw something we hadn't seen in 4 years. And this year we went through 3 different kickers which is enough to drive any HC to drink. Nary an unkind word.


Exactly. I stated this in a Goff thread, and I believe it. Like I said before, I do not know if this is for certain, but Goff was not putting in the work. Not only did the staff notice, but I think the other players noticed as well. A big message was sent to the team yesterday. No one is untouchable, or comes before the team.

I'm a Goff fan, and not a fan of this trade. it also makes me look a little differently about the mass exodus of coaches. We are not used to this type of turmoil in the McVay era. It doesn't taste to good.
 
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