Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[Ramit]

Stafford is just as capable of shitting the bed. He's older and a little less prone to it because of his experience (unsurprisingly, this is what happens with pocket passers as they age; they are less prone to being fooled by defenses and having bad games), but he's very much capable of doing the same thing. I'll never forget the guy going out a few years ago and throwing 4 picks in Week 1 against the shitty Jets while having a top OL and one of the most gifted groups of WRs in the NFL:

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The fact that we have to discuss hypothetical scenarios where injuries that happened IRL didn't happen to convince ourselves that Stafford might have taken this team farther isn't a good thing. If you don't think Stafford could have beaten the Packers under our circumstances this year in the playoffs, he's not the sort of upgrade we needed.

I absolutely believe that he could have beaten the Packers this year.

Jrry,

Come on man.

NO team respected Jared Goffs deep ball.

Everyone respects Stafford.

That alone opens up the playbook.

Maybe Cam Rushes for 200+ and the Rams win the TOP battle which in turn reduces Green Bays point total by 14 because Aaron Rodgers had way less time to pick apart our "#1" defense.

 

[Mackeyser]

You can't do that.



That's an error by Spotrac. They'll correct it soon. You can't take dead cap that another team has already paid (the lone exception is an expansion draft).

They did. Its' the same as the Osweiler trade.

 

[fearsomefour]

I'm a Hawkeye fan, and love having my Hawkeyes on the roster, but please, no, no more Blythe. Not even sure Kirk Ferentz could fix him again.

I think he is a solid back up C/G who has been forced into a starting role.

 

[Barrison]

Statistics without context are meaningless.

Since winning in the NFL is a TEAM venture, name 1 great team that Stafford was on.

You can't.

Are his stats even better if he was on a McVay/Shannahan/Bellichek/Gruden/Sean Peyton/Andy Reed led team?

You bet your beautiful ass they are.

How about all the years he had Calvin Johnson, he's had some good players surrounding him throughout the years. Coaching wise i'll give you that not many come to mind but we shall see how he does with McVay. I just wish we would have held out for Watson is all and you leave my beautiful ass out of this.

 

[jrry32]

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I don't want to be a jerk, but this is exactly what the deal felt like. McVay made an emotional decision, instead of a calculated one.

 

[Ramit]

How about all the years he had Calvin Johnson, he's had some good players surrounding him throughout the years. Coaching wise i'll give you that not many come to mind but we shall see how he does with McVay. I just wish we would have held out for Watson is all and you leave my beautiful ass out of this.

Ok man, you named 1 good player. 2 good players do not make a team

 

[jrry32]

They did. Its' the same as the Osweiler trade.

That wasn't what happened in the Osweiler trade. He had future guarantees, and the Texans were in a cap crunch. They couldn't cut him because of guarantees not yet paid. The Lions did take future guarantees for us, but we still have to eat the bonus money we already paid out. They can't take all the dead money.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Mother of all things Holy.....wait until Stafford has a 2 pic game.
The threads rain down like cannonballs.

And probably from the same people.

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[thirteen28]

I don't think a debate is what you're looking for. What you're looking for is someone to blame.

So in other words you don't want to debate. Suit yourself.

 

[Liberator]

That is way too steep a price for the trade. Rams got robbed. Detroit is going to win the Super Bowl with Goff.

And Margot Robbie is gonna lick my nuts

 

[Gandalf]

You can't do that.



That's an error by Spotrac. They'll correct it soon. You can't take dead cap that another team has already paid (the lone exception is an expansion draft).

That's what I thought, but they have Goff's $22.2mil listed in Detroit's dead cap?

 

[Da-Rock]

Just read this part = "the Rams will take on $7.25 million more to upgrade to Stafford than if they had just kept Goff. "

 

[Rambitious1]

One tweet said they take the dead money from the Rams in 2022, not 2021

that’s what I understood, “ future“ Dead cap money. Not from 2021.

 

[jrry32]

I absolutely believe that he could have beaten the Packers this year.

Jrry,

Come on man.

NO team respected Jared Goffs deep ball.

Everyone respects Stafford.

That alone opens up the playbook.

Maybe Cam Rushes for 200+ and the Rams win the TOP battle which in turn reduces Green Bays point total by 14 because Aaron Rodgers had way less time to pick apart our "#1" defense.

Teams respected Goff's deep ball in 2018 and 2017. He didn't just forget how to throw deep. Cam was already running the ball well against Green Bay. The problem for us was our defense not getting off the field and giving up points. We lose that game with Stafford, just like we did with Goff. It is what it is.

 

[jrry32]

That's what I thought, but they have Goff's $22.2mil listed in Detroit's dead cap?

That's an error. They'll fix it.

 

[12intheBox]

If you don’t like this trade, its probably because you think Goff was good enough to win a title with.

If you do like this trade, it’s probably because you think he wasn’t.

Reasonable minds can disagree.

Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey are in their prime. We have an absolute window right now.

 

[Picked4td]

Yes it did. The Lions took ALL of Goff's contract including the guarantees.

The Rams have ZERO dead cap money due to Goff now.

Normally, teams don't do this. The Texans did this with Osweiler and the Rams did this with Goff...

Goff cap hit is ZERO.

Lions took his guarantees. That's what that means.

Already shows updated on spotrac.com...

please keep posting this, i for one appreciate it. its a huge part of the trade ppl arent taking into account

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I wouldn’t say Goff is awkward he just has a long “wind up” sort of delivery.
Stafford, in my humble opinion, is a better QB at this point.
Not by a large margin and it is mostly finding open guys and he has a faster release.

Consider the receivers that Goff has had, the running game, and McVay. Then compare it to Staffordshire situation in Detroit. Worse roster, terrible coaches, and no running game, for most of his career. For their numbers to be similar tells me that Stafford is a better QB. Switch QBs in the last 4 years. Do you think Goff looks better in Detroit than Stafford has? Do you think Stafford looks better than Goff with McVay?

 

[T-REX]

Lions visit SoFi this season...should be interesting to say the least.

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[dieterbrock]

One tweet said they take the dead money from the Rams in 2022, not 2021

They are talking the guaranteed money. Goff has a 15.5 roster bonus in 2022 that became guaranteed in 2020. Dead money is ded money, it hits automatically because its already been paid out