Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[FrantikRam]

Football was a team game when Goff was our qb now if Stafford doesn't win it's no longer a team game it's a failed trade lmfaooooooooooo. The hypocrisy kills me.

Yep.

Rams make Super Bowl in 2018: "Goff is elite!"

Goff struggles in 2019/2020: "Goff's supporting cast isn't good enough"

Goff traded for Stafford: "Rams better win the Super Bowl or this trade was a failure"

Let's analyze this. If you keep touting that Goff "took the Rams to the Super Bowl" but in the same breath say his supporting cast isn't currently good enough, then you are a hypocrite for declaring that Stafford should come in and the Rams should win the Super Bowl.

Regarding the two first round picks - because, that's why some people are saying we should win the Super Bowl or it was a failed trade - did you say the same thing when we gave up two firsts for Ramsey? I can't recall a single person saying "boy now that we have up two firsts for Ramsey, if we don't win the Super Bowl this was a failed trade"

 

[Merlin]

Goff apologists after seeing us win a championship with Stafford...

 

[Giles]

Dude I'm sorry but that's just a dumb statement. So if the rams make the Superbowl and score 45 points but give up 51. Stafford throws for 375 4 TDs and 1 int. The trades a bust. The only thing that would be a bust is management not getting the defense that they needed. That is one of a million hypotheticals. What would make it a bust is if they get to the Superbowl and Stafford plays like Goff then you would be right. Don't think your hoping for that though right???

To answer the question yes it would be a failure. Because guess what we can't retool the defense with top talent because we gave up picks to accomplish the same thing. Also thinking Stafford winning a playoff games for us imo is a pipedream until I see it. He's had 12 years to do so a failed even on a sb worthy team with a hof reciever. You damn right I hope he does but the odds are against him giving his history.

 

[FrantikRam]

To answer the question yes it would be a failure. Because guess what we can't retool the defense with top talent because we gave up picks to accomplish the same thing. Also thinking Stafford winning a playoff games for us imo is a pipedream until I see it. He's had 12 years to do so a failed even on a sb worthy team with a hof reciever. You damn right I hope he does but the odds are against him giving his history.

What's the difference between giving up all the picks we did to trade for Goff, Ramsey and Stafford? Why is it only Super Bowl or bust now?

 

[Giles]

Ah but to whom. Perspective is the key here.

If we don't win the Super Bowl with Stafford it will be a failed trade to McVay and the Rams. Because they even said that trade was about winning a Super Bowl.

For me, however, I just want to see good QB play. Give me that Stafford and if you do I'm good just like I was when Goff was playing well. That is all I care about because I see a Championship as something you win as an organization. QB is a huge part of that. But it's not just that position.

And again for the record I do think we are going to win it all with Stafford. I thought the same early last year when I was telling myself "why not us." So for me it's once again just as likely that the Rams get the right moves made than any of these other assholes. In fact our chances are better now assuming they don't fuck up the rest of the roster.

If "better qb play" is all you want from that trade then you my friend have very low expectations. I want a sb anything less is bs. This regime has mortgage the future for top tier players with nothing to show for it. Enough. Win a SB.

 

[Giles]

What's the difference between giving up all the picks we did to trade for Goff, Ramsey and Stafford? Why is it only Super Bowl or bust now?

Stafford a qb and Ramsey is a CB. I shouldn't have to explain that. Plus Ramsey is the best cb in the game and was a obvious upgrade to anyone on the roster with zero argument. The same cant be said about the goff/Stafford trade unfortunately.

 

[FrantikRam]

Stafford a qb and Ramsey is a CB. I shouldn't have to explain that. Plus Ramsey is the best cb in the game and was a obvious upgrade to anyone on the roster with zero argument. The same cant be said about the goff/Stafford trade unfortunately.

The fact that he's a QB has absolutely nothing to do with having traded two first round picks.

You said above that it'd be a failure even if Stafford played great but the defense let us down because we gave away top picks so we couldn't retool our defense.

Did you say that the Ramsey trade would be a failure because we gave away top picks and wouldn't be able to retool our offense?

Also, if you polled neutral fans, Rams fans and the Rams FO, you'd likely get around an 85% that agree Stafford is an upgrade. Most of the 15% are likely people who don't want to have been wrong about Goff.

 

[Allen2McVay]

We didn't lose the David Bakhtiari of our defense. We lost the Aaron Rodgers of our defense.

Are you saying the best defensive player in the NFL (DPOY Aaron Donald) has the same impact on his team that the best quarterback in the NFL (MVP Aaron Rodgers) has on his team?

 

[Faceplant]

Man it would be cool if the RAMS went out and won a damn Superbowl this year and/or next year. This place would be full of happy posters singing kumbaya and all would be be forgotten in this debate.........right???

 

[Allen2McVay]

Man it would be cool if the RAMS went out and won a damn Superbowl this year and/or next year. This place would be full of happy posters singing kumbaya and all would be be forgotten in this debate.........right???

No!

Wrong ... Wrong ... Wrong!

 

[FrantikRam]

Man it would be cool if the RAMS went out and won a damn Superbowl this year and/or next year. This place would be full of happy posters singing kumbaya and all would be be forgotten in this debate.........right???

You'd hope but when people are out here threatening to stop being fans when were in the midst of a HC who has never had a losing season, I almost think winning a Super Bowl with Stafford might cause them to actually quit the Rams.

 

[Giles]

The fact that he's a QB has absolutely nothing to do with having traded two first round picks.

You said above that it'd be a failure even if Stafford played great but the defense let us down because we gave away top picks so we couldn't retool our defense.

Did you say that the Ramsey trade would be a failure because we gave away top picks and wouldn't be able to retool our offense?

Also, if you polled neutral fans, Rams fans and the Rams FO, you'd likely get around an 85% that agree Stafford is an upgrade. Most of the 15% are likely people who don't want to have been wrong about Goff.

The fact you're trying to compare a trade for a qb vs a trade for a CB is mind blowing and doesn't deserve a response. Who cares what "neutral fans" think
My question to those people if Stafford was so good why didn't he win more playoff games? If he's "that guy" he shouldn't have any problem winning a playoff game with a 2 1000 yards receivers (one being the most talented player to ever touch the field imo and a 1st ballot hofer) 1000 yard running back and #2 defense. Why? People keep saying he didn't have this or that but that season he had almost everything and still choked. So again Why?

 

[jrry32]

Are you saying the best defensive player in the NFL (DPOY Aaron Donald) has the same impact on his team that the best quarterback in the NFL (MVP Aaron Rodgers) has on his team?

Nope. That wasn't what I said. Any other questions?

 

[FrantikRam]

The fact you're trying to compare a trade for a qb vs a trade for a CB is mind blowing and doesn't deserve a response. Who cares what "neutral fans" think
My question to those people if Stafford was so good why didn't he win more playoff games? If he's "that guy" he shouldn't have any problem winning a playoff game with a 2 1000 yards receivers (one being the most talented player to ever touch the field imo and a 1st ballot hofer) 1000 yard running back and #2 defense. Why? People keep saying he didn't have this or that but that season he had almost everything and still choked. So again Why?

I'm not comparing a QB trade to a trade for a CB - I'm comparing your (most likely inconsistent) response to the Rams trading two first round picks for a single player. You messed up by saying that even if Stafford dropped 45 in the Super Bowl and we lost that it'd still be a bad trade because we wouldn't have first round picks to reinforce the defense. That's one of the worst takes I've ever seen on this site.

Why didn't Goff make the playoffs with two 1000 yard WRs in 2019? Why didn't Watson win more than 4 games this year? Why have Rodgers and Brees only won the NFC one time each? Why have the best QB seasons in NFL history all failed to win a Super Bowl?

Why hasn't Stafford won in the playoffs? Same answer to all the questions above. Football is a team sport and it's asinine to assign W/L to a QB.

 

[payote75]

To answer the question yes it would be a failure. Because guess what we can't retool the defense with top talent because we gave up picks to accomplish the same thing. Also thinking Stafford winning a playoff games for us imo is a pipedream until I see it. He's had 12 years to do so a failed even on a sb worthy team with a hof reciever. You damn right I hope he does but the odds are against him giving his history.

But you wiped out 34 million of overpaid according to production so you can "retool" with free agents which would only be one each year for each pick given up. And if you want to count the 3rd rounder this year well then we only need one player this year according to that thought process. The logic there is just that not logic it's illogical bro. I can see to a point... in the way that maybe the organisation didn't make the right moves after the Goff trade that angle might work if it should come to that but why are we desperate to look for an angle like we are looking for failure. Is any rams fan going to want to be kicked when there down? A lot of times it just seems it's more about being pro Goff than pro rams and at some point we need to move on. Goff is gone let's hope the rams do a lot of winning and hope for Goff to have a brilliant career. The "I told you so" isn't that important man.

 

[Mojo Ram]

I loved/defended Goff for 4 years, up until he's inside Seattle's 20 and throws that mind-fucking-numbing INT. At that point my take was...love the guy but just can't defend him anymore. Rough seasons sure, but not regression

That was the same point where i had simply seen enough. It was time to move on or at least prepare to move on.

Then when Goff played hurt and played relatively well in the playoffs it was cool to see him show toughness...but to be honest, toughness and durability was never an issue with Goff so yeah i was done.

I'm looking forward to a new leader at QB and i believe the two things that will show immediately with Stafford in there vs Goff is the foot speed in and around the pocket and the processing speed. Goff's game (for whatever reason) had slowed down to molasses.

 

[jrry32]

You're like a dog with a bone.

I believe they call this the pot calling the kettle black.

Yep.

Rams make Super Bowl in 2018: "Goff is elite!"

Goff struggles in 2019/2020: "Goff's supporting cast isn't good enough"

Goff traded for Stafford: "Rams better win the Super Bowl or this trade was a failure"

Let's analyze this. If you keep touting that Goff "took the Rams to the Super Bowl" but in the same breath say his supporting cast isn't currently good enough, then you are a hypocrite for declaring that Stafford should come in and the Rams should win the Super Bowl.

Actually, I'm not. I'm not going to call Stafford a failure if he fails to lead us to a Super Bowl. I am talking about the trade, not the player. We didn't make this trade to win 10 games and go to the playoffs. We were already doing that. We traded away all that draft capital along with a winning starting QB for a much older player to win a Super Bowl. That was the goal of the move. If we end up in the same spot we were in with Goff, it wasn't worth the trade. We could have kept Goff, used those first round picks, and still have been a competitive team. This is a Super Bowl or bust trade.

 

[payote75]

To answer the question yes it would be a failure. Because guess what we can't retool the defense with top talent because we gave up picks to accomplish the same thing. Also thinking Stafford winning a playoff games for us imo is a pipedream until I see it. He's had 12 years to do so a failed even on a sb worthy team with a hof reciever. You damn right I hope he does but the odds are against him giving his history.

Again team game offense defens special teams all play a part. The first two obviously the biggest. Stafford has never really had any of that he has been through how many rebuilds? Goff was give the keys to a mansion in Malibu Stafford was given the keys to the shed out back.
When it's so Goff sided it makes people have to feel shitty like they putting Goff down intentionally. This can go on all offseason but at some point like any other players moving through trade or free agency we need to move on no?
It's like saying a new chick fresh start and my friend reps bringing up what she did in the past. Time to live in the present and hope for a championship in the future.

 

[payote75]

If "better qb play" is all you want from that trade then you my friend have very low expectations. I want a sb anything less is bs. This regime has mortgage the future for top tier players with nothing to show for it. Enough. Win a SB.

But you never got one with Goff and we had good teams so there's a problem there.

 

[jrry32]

Man it would be cool if the RAMS went out and won a damn Superbowl this year and/or next year. This place would be full of happy posters singing kumbaya and all would be be forgotten in this debate.........right???

If they win a Super Bowl, they won the trade, and I don't see how any of us will be able to be unhappy.