Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[Mackeyser]

Of course the gamble for the Rams is that by having a small number of great players at the most important positions you can stock other spots with lower draft picks. That worked with AD and Ramsay. Adding Stafford at the qb is a logical extension of this philosophy, which I support as a concept.

But the Rams must still maintain or fill other key positions on the offense and defense while operating under challenging cap constraints. It remains to be seen whether the Rams can rework contracts and find cap space, extend Stafford, keep the D at a high level, and then further have an offensive roster capable of functioning at a high level with a new qb.

This will be a challenge. I don't think that bringing back the same offensive roster is sufficient. Imo we still have holes to fill on the O at minimum at center and at deep threat wide receiver(s) to make it work. But I support pulling out all the stops, as you say, to try to make championship runs while we have AD in his prime.

Yeah... even if for no other reason than to respect the game by doing everything to get one of the greatest players to ever play this game a championship...

 

[FarNorth]

Yeah... even if for no other reason than to respect the game by doing everything to get one of the greatest players to ever play this game a championship...

And for practical reasons. AD is on another level as one of the most preeminent game changing players ever. We saw the result in Green Bay when he was hobbled by bad ribs. Rams might have won that game with AD at full speed. At least it likely would have been close.

The Rams may have other, different championship level teams in the future, but AD is the foundation of our championship hopes now and in the next few years.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

You realize that they wouldn't have made a to the Super Bowl without McVay coaching Goff 15 seconds before the snap

So it is your belief that Goff actually could hear McVay in his helmet at New Orleans (probably the most hostile and loud sports environment ever to date) during the frantic late 4th quarter game tying drive not to mention the NFCCG game winning OT drive?

Honest question

 

[PhillyRam]

You realize that they wouldn't have made a to the Super Bowl without McVay coaching Goff 15 seconds before the snap

If you watch the games you would realize that they don't get to the line until the 10 sec mark like 80% of the time... Drives me nuts.

So not sure how McVay helps him read defenses when he is always late getting the play in most of the time.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

If you watch the games you would realize that they don't get to the line until the 10 sec mark like 80% of the time... Drives me nuts.

So not sure how McVay helps him read defenses when he is always late getting the play in most of the time.

2017-2018. They go to the line faster. That's when he was trying to help Goff out with the calls on every play. McVay scrapped having Goff stick to the play once defenses started adjusting after fifteen seconds and they knew Goff couldn't counter it. McVay figured Goff needs to learn how to do it himself. But Goff never got good at it. Its one of the reasons he's no longer here.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

So it is your belief that Goff actually could hear McVay in his helmet at New Orleans (probably the most hostile and loud sports environment ever to date) during the frantic late 4th quarter game tying drive not to mention the NFCCG game winning OT drive?

Honest question

If Goff could read the defenses consistently and counter then he'd still be a Ram. But yes I believe he could hear McVay for much of that game. If he could read the defense to begin with he never would have had to have McVay holding his hand in the first place.

I never said he couldn't do it at all. If you followed much of the reporting you recall its been said Goff has even regressed instead of getting better at it. That is where the question of work ethic comes in. If a person is working hard and not improving that tells you he can't do it.

You are trying to defend Goff a week after the trade. I'd think by now you would accept that McVay and Snead had good reasons to trade him. With the cap hit the Rams are taking do you really think there could be no truth to all of the things that have been reported? They sacrificed a lot to get Stafford, because Goff couldn't get it done.

I'll go so far as to say he's going to be even worse in Detroit.

 

[“Turbo set!”]

If Goff was so terrible at reading defenses why did they sign him to the extension? They should have known then.

 

[Mackeyser]

If Goff was so terrible at reading defenses why did they sign him to the extension? They should have known then.

Sunk cost fallacy? Reality of the difficulty of finding a starting QB in the NFL? Belief that the young QB would grow and learn?

Also, as the Watson and Mahomes contracts proved, the prices were only going up, so the idea was to sign him to an extension (not a pay raise) and lock him in at that day's price.

Of course if they'd known, they would have done the Dallas deal, but even then, who could know that there's an alternative?

I mean, SF is in the EXACT same boat we are, but they didn't win the Stafford sweepstakes... same with Indy. Indy may have to fight over Wentz...

And SF may decide to make due with Cousins...

And even if the decision making process was complete bollocks... doesn't matter, it happened and the choice is to course correct or just wait it out and by extension waste prime years of AD's career.

I'm glad this regime sees a problem and acts. Gurley may have been surly at first, but he admits that he respects the org for being about it.

 

[PhillyRam]

If Goff could read the defenses consistently and counter then he'd still be a Ram. But yes I believe he could hear McVay for much of that game. If he could read the defense to begin with he never would have had to have McVay holding his hand in the first place.

I never said he couldn't do it at all. If you followed much of the reporting you recall its been said Goff has even regressed instead of getting better at it. That is where the question of work ethic comes in. If a person is working hard and not improving that tells you he can't do it.

You are trying to defend Goff a week after the trade. I'd think by now you would accept that McVay and Snead had good reasons to trade him. With the cap hit the Rams are taking do you really think there could be no truth to all of the things that have been reported? They sacrificed a lot to get Stafford, because Goff couldn't get it done.

I'll go so far as to say he's going to be even worse in Detroit.

Can't wait to see this 45 pt a game offense that Stafford's going to put up.

I mean he is Superman and Goff is a certified moron if you look at these posts.

If a certified moron could put up 22 a game last yr, then Superman should be able to double it... especially if the defense remains a top 5 defense.

 

[FrantikRam]

Can't wait to see this 45 pt a game offense that Stafford's going to put up.

I mean he is Superman and Goff is a certified moron if you look at these posts.

If a certified moron could put up 22 a game last yr, then Superman should be able to double it... especially if the defense remains a top 5 defense.

Don't see anyone calling Goff a moron.

But hey, keep thinking Goff wasn't a problem - go against the Rams coaches, neutral fans AND half (or more) of all Rams fans.

I'm sure we're ALL wrong about Goff.

 

[FrantikRam]

Sunk cost fallacy? Reality of the difficulty of finding a starting QB in the NFL? Belief that the young QB would grow and learn?

Also, as the Watson and Mahomes contracts proved, the prices were only going up, so the idea was to sign him to an extension (not a pay raise) and lock him in at that day's price.

Of course if they'd known, they would have done the Dallas deal, but even then, who could know that there's an alternative?

I mean, SF is in the EXACT same boat we are, but they didn't win the Stafford sweepstakes... same with Indy. Indy may have to fight over Wentz...

And SF may decide to make due with Cousins...

And even if the decision making process was complete bollocks... doesn't matter, it happened and the choice is to course correct or just wait it out and by extension waste prime years of AD's career.

I'm glad this regime sees a problem and acts. Gurley may have been surly at first, but he admits that he respects the org for being about it.

Good point. If you told McVay years ago that we could have Stafford for a first and third round pick (assuming one first for Goff's contract) and just not re-sign Goff, then Goff likely doesnt get extended.

But given Goff's trajectory at the time, it wasn't likely that an upgrade would just be available.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Can't wait to see this 45 pt a game offense that Stafford's going to put up.

I mean he is Superman and Goff is a certified moron if you look at these posts.

If a certified moron could put up 22 a game last yr, then Superman should be able to double it... especially if the defense remains a top 5 defense.

30 a game is pretty good. I expect closer to that.

I wish I had dumped everything I had into Butt cream the minute I saw this trade announced. I would have been able to retire and put both my kids through college.

 

[Faceplant]

Can't wait to see this 45 pt a game offense that Stafford's going to put up.

Why not just put that in blue font? It's clear you don't think Stafford will do well for the Rams... and it really doesn't even sound like you and some others WANT Stafford to succeed. I always thought that was a strange stance for a TEAM fan to take.

Why can't people who will not let Goff go, just wish for BOTH QB's to have success??

 

[OldSchool]

Why not just put that in blue font? It's clear you don't think Stafford will do well for the Rams... and it really doesn't even sound like you and some others WANT Stafford to succeed. I always thought that was a strange stance for a TEAM fan to take.

Why can't people who will not let Goff go, just wish for BOTH QB's to have success??

Oh I'm pretty sure all of us are behind Stafford and ready for a successful season. It is curious though the people telling others to drop their opinions of the trade and get over it and move on won't do the same to people who continue to shit on Goff. IMO both parties need to move on. Jared is a Lion now and not a Ram, people need to let it go and look forward for both camps. But only one of the two parties get criticized around here, might be why a lot of people are participating less and less.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Oh I'm pretty sure all of us are behind Stafford and ready for a successful season. It is curious though the people telling others to drop their opinions of the trade and get over it and move on won't do the same to people who continue to shit on Goff. IMO both parties need to move on. Jared is a Lion now and not a Ram, people need to let it go and look forward for both camps. But only one of the two parties get criticized around here, might be why a lot of people are participating less and less.

I’m just trying to pass on what I read and heard. I’m hoping it will help some people feel better about the trade and understand it. But I am done trying. They can be Goff fans, or hope this puts McVay on the hot seat or whatever.

I would hate an AD, Ramsey or Whitworth trade because I don’t see how they would help the team reach the Super Bowl, or how anything they got in return could possibly be better. They are the only three players on the team that I unquestionably think that way off. But a few days, certainly a week after it was done, I’d be over it.

 

[Faceplant]

Oh I'm pretty sure all of us are behind Stafford and ready for a successful season. It is curious though the people telling others to drop their opinions of the trade and get over it and move on won't do the same to people who continue to shit on Goff. IMO both parties need to move on. Jared is a Lion now and not a Ram, people need to let it go and look forward for both camps. But only one of the two parties get criticized around here, might be why a lot of people are participating less and less.

I agree that both "camps" need to move on and just get behind the current QB. I was a huge Goff supporter and still wish him well, but I can't fathom how Rams fans can carry that torch to the point of putting down the new guy. We all want the RAMS to win right??

 

[OldSchool]

I’m just trying to pass on what I read and heard. I’m hoping it will help some people feel better about the trade and understand it. But I am done trying. They can be Goff fans, or hope this puts McVay on the hot seat or whatever.

I would hate an AD, Ramsey or Whitworth trade because I don’t see how they would help the team reach the Super Bowl, or how anything they got in return could possibly be better. They are the only three players on the team that I unquestionably think that way off. But a few days, certainly a week after it was done, I’d be over it.

People aren't helping others get over losing a QB they've rooted for as the Rams starter for 4+ years. You and others belittle them tell them their opinion is bad or they need to get over it. It's now been one week and we get daily posts and threads rehashing hot takes on Goff sucking yet those people can't seem to get over it a week later either and that seems to be fine to some. Yet you don't see F bomb loaded tirades about peoples opinions on Goff just on posts about the trade for Stafford. You don't see people suggesting others need butt cream to people who can't get over bad games from Jared. I think there are more people that need to move on than you realize.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

If Goff was so terrible at reading defenses why did they sign him to the extension? They should have known then.

Projection. They thought he would make progress in that area. Signing him early was also about the cap hit. They had the space and wanted to get out in front with it to free them up for other signings later?

I’m going to guess that is how it works. They look at who they want to keep and the timing of which contracts will be up when.

Or maybe they had a Super Bowl window in mind and wanted Goff wrapped up for that time period. After they felt the window may close they’d be willing to let him test free agency. But he did not continue to progress like they thought he would

 

[OldSchool]

I agree that both "camps" need to move on and just get behind the current QB. I was a huge Goff supporter and still wish him well, but I can't fathom how Rams fans can carry that torch to the point of putting down the new guy. We all want the RAMS to win right??

The same way people can't move on from bad things Jared did. And being assholes to people who have an opinion for a trade 7 days after certainly isn't doing anything to help people move on. We daily see a thread about Jared and yet he's a Lion. People are criticized for holding McVay and Snead accountable for their decisions and having opinions on them. It's ok to make jokes about Jared but to make a joke about thinking we should score 45 points a game? Oh that's just not acceptable. To quote McVay that this trade is all about winning the SB? That's not ok especially to the people who claim Jared was the only thing holding us back.

Maybe eventually people will move on but when there's a constant effort to talk shit to people about this trade it's not going to speed anything up.

 

[OldSchool]

Projection. They thought he would make progress in that area. Signing him early was also about the cap hit. They had the space and wanted to get out in front with it to free them up for other signings later?

I’m going to guess that is how it works. They look at who they want to keep and the timing of which contracts will be up when.

Or maybe they had a Super Bowl window in mind and wanted Goff wrapped up for that time period. After they felt the window may close they’d be willing to let him test free agency. But he did not continue to progress like they thought he would

Which in part is a failing of his and as much a failing on his genius OC/HC. And don't criticize me for using the word genius I'm far from the only one here to have described him as such. Including opposing fans and the media who we're supposed to listen to about whether the trade was good or not right?