Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[Merlin]

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Yeah but...

 

[Loyal]

Welp, been a fan since 1969 (if that matters). I was a fan at the LA Coliseum, Anaheim, St Louis, LA Coliseum and now to Inglewood and I've seen the futily of Rams quarterbacking as have many of you. I remember hoping every year that we had Sam Bradford and that offense that he would perform up to his draft status until we couldn't wait anymore for him to improve. Sam had a screwed up front office, ownership and three bad offensive systems in consecutive years. But whether it was his fault or the organizations fault it didn't matter at the end.

As Rams fans, most of us hope for the best. This was especially true for Jared Goff. Putting aside his Fisher year, he has very good regular season stats as far as wins vs losses. Some say he wasn't tough and I call bullshyte on that. He was comstantly available, unlike Carson Wentz. In 2017 and 2018, the eleven personnel offense was ripping up the league. Criticisms came that Sean McVay was calling plays in his ear at the last second, until defenses started figuring out how to stop the scheme. He suffered from a suspect inner Oline after Sully left, as well as Saffold, so there is that. But I think all can recognize that Jared had to have things go perfect for him to function, especially in the last two years. I said this after the first 49er loss (I believe) this year that he says he wanted to be accountable and to get better, but I don't think he really knew how. He wasn't processing information fast enough and certainly WANTED to win, but as his confidence dipped, so did his performance. He was not aware when scrambling to just tuck the ball and go down and always looked like he was sacked without any awareness that it was coming. Sometimes that's unavoidable, but other time you got to know when to go down.

Stafford is more mobile and while he has fumbled after getting sacked, I don't think he is as vulnerable as Jared was for us. Many of Stafford's interceptions were during junk time when he was trying to bring the Lions back from a deficit. Seriously I think teams averaged like 29 points a game vs the Lions last year and so think of the pressure he was under to bring the team back from that every week. I think Stafford is more consistent than Jared and can deliver the ball everywhere (just about). We have a better QB now, imo. Having said that, I wish Jared health and success except when against us.

 

[Merlin]

Carson Wentz.

I knew it.

 

[Loyal]

I knew it.

What, that Carson Wentz was fools gold? Yeah, me too.

 

[Faceplant]

Yeah, this should probably get merged. I, like most here really like Goff and almost can't believe he isn't our QB anymore. But, I have also been exasperated with his play the last two years.....like exhausted exasperated. Fearful even. Like never before....even back to Dieter fucking Brock.

Sammy 2 Sleeves never had me as high or low as JG. Sammy was like Prozac at that position for me. Goff polarirized because he was so damn good.... So many times. Then... He was mostly not so good..... And scary bad at times.

This team is in a different place, literally and figuratively, than they were 5 years ago. The expectations have changed. It hurts to lose players you care about. It hurts worse to lose for decades because you don't have the right head space in the coaching and FO ranks. I'm gonna roll with and trust the system we have now. It's better than any we have had in a long damn time.

 

[rdw]

Not picking on the original poster here but I see a lot of mention about Stafford and injuries. He hasn't missed many games. All players play hurt. What am I missing here?

 

[hotanez]

in before the merge

 

[Mackeyser]

Stafford is more mobile and while he has fumbled after getting sacked, I don't think he is as vulnerable as Jared was for us. Many of Stafford's interceptions were during junk time when he was trying to bring the Lions back from a deficit. Seriously I think teams averaged like 29 points a game vs the Lions last year and so think of the pressure he was under to bring the team back from that every week. I think Stafford is more consistent than Jared and can deliver the ball everywhere (just about). We have a better QB now, imo. Having said that, I wish Jared health and success except when against us.

Detroit last year allowed a league high 32.4ppg. Their defense was 30th against the pass, 28th against the run and 32nd in scoring.

On offense, they had a slightly higher than their avg run game at 93.7ypg, which is above their 6 year avg of 89ypg.

Obviously the difference between that and 126ypg is substantial. Moreover, I see the Rams run game improving over last year as Cam Akers was a rookie and both he and Hendo were banged up a bit. I also expect the OL to improve as the Rams are going to want to protect the massive investment they just made in Stafford.

Stafford's Lions avg'd 23.6ppg as opposed to the Rams 23.1ppg.

I wasn't able to find their avg TOP, but typically for teams with a 5-11 record, it's not great.

With more opportunities and less having to come from behind and playing desperation football, I think we'll see Stafford really blossom.

 

[TexasRam]

I said my goodbyes and am moving on.

It doesn't mean I think this trade will work out or it was a good idea. But I am going to be hoping I am wrong.

Either way I will be rooting for Stafford and the Rams with the same passion I did with Goff.

The QB position is such a hard one to judge. There are just so many variables to consider. You can't reasonably analyze it with pure stats and subjective opinions can vary at opposite ends of the spectrum.

One thing that is certain, if you don't have a top QB, you are going to have a very hard time being a consistent contender in the NFL.

This is my greatest concern. If you don't win a Super Bowl with Safford, you have mortgaged several years of top picks and will be on the hunt for a new QB. It could take a decade or more to find that top QB. With Goff, as Warner said "You are a little concerned that you are giving up such a young guy that has already won a ton of games, lead a top offense and won an NFC Championship at 24".

This has every indication of Snead/Mcvay looking out for their jobs rather than looking out for the long term future of the Rams organization. Bring in the quick fix old guy. Use future resources and future QB to accomplish the short term goal.

Either we have dumb and dumber running the show or a genius and a gambler who lands the royal flush on the river.

We will see.

 

[tomas]

Goff will get his bell rung in the smash mouth-Black & Blue Division

 

[Mackeyser]

I said my goodbyes and am moving on.

It doesn't mean I think this trade will work out or it was a good idea. But I am going to be hoping I am wrong.

Either way I will be rooting for Stafford and the Rams with the same passion I did with Goff.

The QB position is such a hard one to judge. There are just so many variables to consider. You can't reasonably analyze it with pure stats and subjective opinions can vary at opposite ends of the spectrum.

One thing that is certain, if you don't have a top QB, you are going to have a very hard time being a consistent contender in the NFL.

This is my greatest concern. If you don't win a Super Bowl with Safford, you have mortgaged several years of top picks and will be on the hunt for a new QB. It could take a decade or more to find that top QB. With Goff, as Warner said "You are a little concerned that you are giving up such a young guy that has already won a ton of games, lead a top offense and won an NFC Championship at 24".

This has every indication of Snead/Mcvay looking out for their jobs rather than looking out for the long term future of the Rams organization. Bring in the quick fix old guy. Use future resources and future QB to accomplish the short term goal.

Either we have dumb and dumber running the show or a genius and a gambler who lands the royal flush on the river.

We will see.

I only wanna address the draft picks.

Snead, for better or worse, has a philosophy.

When they grade out the draft, what he considers 1st rounders depending on the year tends to only be 10-20 guys. That's it.

Then there's the next tier of guys which can be from 20-50 guys. Well that puts very little difference between pick 21 and pick 70 which is an early 3rd rounder. And due to the fact that after the 1st round and each round after, there's a greater propensity for teams to "fill holes" rather than draft the BPA, it means guys in that range are gonna fall.

That's part of why we've been successful with this so far.

Hitting on a 1st rounder is a 50% proposition. What I've not seen is what the hit rate is on the 21-32 picks. That's got to be lower.

In Snead's estimation, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Talent-wise that's very true, especially as teams overvalue "1sts" as if a low 1st is all that different than an early 2nd... and it isn't except for QBs for that 5th year option. But teams overvalue that low 1st and Snead's taking advantage of that.

Now I think unlike in most trades, Brad Holmes in Detroit will take solid advantage of those picks, but most teams do not.

Here's the catch. It does put greater emphasis from a cap management standpoint to draft well in the mid rounds which we have so far.

The bigger catch is that it can be hard to retain studs you've drafted (as we're seeing with JJ3 and Darious Williams).

It's a juggling act and it's about choices. Some teams swim in 1st rounders and miss constantly. Others like NE just stock up on volume picks and their overall hit percentage is surprisingly low, especially at positions they've needed badly like WR. In 20 years, they've not hit on a single pro bowl receiver. That's really something.

I dunno if this is the new trend or if it's just the Rams way of doing business or if it's even sustainable, but it's working thus far and until the Rams can't draft in the mid-rounds, it should continue to work well.

 

[Ram Ts]

Yeah I didn’t like it either for many reasons. But I drank, took aspirin and moved on. What’s done is done now.

Now I am a Stafford guy and hope him/McVay can be the perfect pairing and get us some SBs.

 

[HellRam]

The point you made about how Goff played in the playoffs with the hurt thumb. I really thought we was going to be in McVay's good graces again after that. I thought no way they trade him after those performances. If Goff had sucked against Seattle and we lose. This trade wouldn't have been as shocking as it was.

 

[dolphinlover123]

I also dont think this was a good trade. Even if Stafford is slightly better than Jared, I think the Rams gave up way too much. In any case 2021 should be another playoff year. Ill be watching with an open mind but 2021 isnt what im mostly worried about.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I hope you’re wrong too, but as an equally long Rams fan, we gotta just jump on board and roll with the change, in retrospect I sorta wish McVay would have backed off a bit on the 15 second thing and actually let Goff grow...time will be very revealing over the next couple of years

You realize that they wouldn't have made a to the Super Bowl without McVay coaching Goff 15 seconds before the snap

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Not For Long

 

[TheTackle]

They are reaching for greatness and I respect that. The price was a little steep but I am excited to see Stafford play in horns

I was high on Goff and think his statistics and the turnovers don't tell the complete picture. The play calling; o-line and lack of a deep threat all played a role. Many of those turnovers were no way near as bad as the three howlers he threw this season. That said, I do believe that Stafford will be one of the best QBs in the league in our offense and that he will be given far greater command over the offense, including making adjustments.

If injuries do not plague him, then we are set for years. Win a SB and this is the best Rams trade since Faulk

Good luck Goff, I salute you. I have always liked the Lions and wish them and him all the best. Who knows, perhaps LA v Detroit becomes one of the great NFL playoff rivalries

 

[Mackeyser]

I also dont think this was a good trade. Even if Stafford is slightly better than Jared, I think the Rams gave up way too much. In any case 2021 should be another playoff year. Ill be watching with an open mind but 2021 isnt what im mostly worried about.

Based on the demands of this system, Matt Stafford should be a substantial upgrade over Goff. In other systems, maybe not so much, but ours? Yeah

 

[Neil039]

I have no issues with Stafford. I am a Goff guy. The past 5 years are hard to ignore(even the struggles the past 2 years).

Sneed and McVay lost that new car smell, some days even the replacement air fresheners don’t mask the poop.

Time will tell. I’ve survived all the changes from 1979 until the present. So this is just another blip in the Rams story.