Lots of whispers that Trey Lance still ain't ready

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Just shows how fortunate the rams were to acquire Stafford. Sounds like Arians is a little butt hurt over how TB left Tampa and not at all interested in building his legacy on another team, especially in conference. Of course Tampa’s qb prospects don’t look to great right now so maybe he could get over it.
Are the niners actually considering keeping Garapalo? I can’t imagine his value going up sitting on the bench.
 
Rams43 said:
I believe that history will show us that 49ers overreacted to Rams trading for Stafford. Badly.
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This is the perfect scenario. Nobody with half a brain is going to come close to giving SF what they were asking for.
 
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Faceplant said:
They ARE a serious contender BECAUSE of players like Bosa. If they trade away Bosa for Brady, they are weakening that team as a whole. I hope to GOD they do it.

The Rams are a better team regardless, but they are FAR better if the whiners trade away key pieces for a 75 year old QB that doesn't even fit their scheme....
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The difference between Brady and Garrapolo is the difference between winning and losing that NFCC Game, IMO. The advantage they'd get on offense by upgrading to Brady from Jimmy G would way more than offset the disadvantage of going from Bosa to the next guy in the rotation.

That said, I dunno if Tampa Bay would hold Brady hostage in such a fashion, and SF would probably hold fast on refusing to give up Bosa.
 
JYB said:
The difference between Brady and Garrapolo is the difference between winning and losing that NFCC Game, IMO. The advantage they'd get on offense by upgrading to Brady from Jimmy G would way more than offset the disadvantage of going from Bosa to the next guy in the rotation.

That said, I dunno if Tampa Bay would hold Brady hostage in such a fashion, and SF would probably hold fast on refusing to give up Bosa.
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Disagree. Brady, at this stage of his career does not come close to offsetting the loss of a Bosa, Kittle or even Samuel.
 
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Faceplant said:
Disagree. Brady, at this stage of his career does not come close to offsetting the loss of a Bosa, Kittle or even Samuel.
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Brady made the Bucs a SB winning team. Garrapolo couldn't do that with a better team behind him.
 
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Ready or not I think its his time.
He is a big guy, a great athlete and has a cannon arm. There is nothing to not like about his potential. He reportedly is very football smart and picked up Shanny's offense very quickly.
He could be a great match with Shanny.
Mixing in a run game with him, roll outs, run pass option plays and their misdirection game.....I could see a lot of big plays. But, he is raw. Reps, reps, reps is what he needs. Rep in the pocket as a passer is what he needs. That comes with a lot of bumps and bruises for a green QB.
 
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den-the-coach said:
IMO they go with Lance, they might sign a veteran somebody like a Jacoby Brissett for example, however, Lance will keep things interesting with his ability to run and they need to get him reps. Brissett has experience and would offer Shanahan another option, but it's Lance's team now for better or worse.

FWIW I liked Lance coming out, he's raw, but runs well and has a great arm, problem last year was his release so that will have to improve, but before I believe he's not ready I need to see more of the kid as I'm a doubting Thomas when it comes to San Francisco.
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Yeah its sounding like they will sink or swim with Trey Lance. It was their plan when they traded the picks and they are committed to it.

Shanahan can coach QBs. He'll have Lance for another offseason. I'm sure Shanahan is confident in himself getting Lance ready to play. Besides, with that team, Lance doesn't have to be Stafford. His extra dimension of running will add enough to make him a threat. I think he has potential to be harder to defend than Jimmy Garapolo.
 
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Elmgrovegnome said:
I think he has potential to be harder to defend than Jimmy Garapolo.
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I concur, my hope is his release and accuracy, but Lance has a very strong arm plus you're right with his legs and not having to do much, although the Rams actually made that offense one dimensional being able to stop their run, hopefully they might have figured something out.
 
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JYB said:
Brady made the Bucs a SB winning team. Garrapolo couldn't do that with a better team behind him.
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree. That Bucs team was LOADED and had the luxury of playing in the NFCS. Brady doesn't want any of the smoke that is the NFCW.
 
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1maGoh said:
Brady... And the flock of free agents that followed him there to make a super team. Brady didn't carry that team outside of his favor with the refs. All the other talent that signed up carried that team.
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I don't disagree but I also think a lot of QBs would have fallen short with that team.

This championship really pressed home the importance of QB for me. You don't have a chance if you don't have QB covered. And what "covered" requires changes depending on how good the roster is overall but you gotta have a guy who can handle the pressure of it all and keep the team focused while making those timely plays when they're needed.

That's the thing about Brady. He has made a ton of plays when they were needed. So even though I think it's unfair to QBs to make the metric championships that stuff does matter. It does make a difference when you're a guy who has proven you can do it.

Going back to Stafford I think there's room for him to grow from that too. He just crashed the media's great QB party and won that ring in convincing fashion. So now year two in this offense could be really special I think. He won't need to press and try to hero every time something isn't there. He knows the weapons he's got from last year's run and should be really hard to get off the field in those key moments once again. They just need to ensure that OL has enough, and try to sort that secondary with a couple fresh pieces and they'll be in business.

Re: the 9ers all I can say is I am going to assume that Lance is solid at least and that's because of Shanny's offense keeping things simple and scheming guys open behind a strong ground game. This is also why I'd like to see us sign big 75 away from them in FA. I can dream lol.
 
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Faceplant said:
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. That Bucs team was LOADED and had the luxury of playing in the NFCS. Brady doesn't want any of the smoke that is the NFCW.
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I doubt Brady is afraid, but yeah -- it would be the first time in his 20 year career that he actually played in a division that wasn't a total pushover.
 
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1maGoh said:
Brady... And the flock of free agents that followed him there to make a super team. Brady didn't carry that team outside of his favor with the refs. All the other talent that signed up carried that team.
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All I know is, Brady is a significant upgrade from Garrapolo, and Jimmy G was 6-1 against the Rams in his last seven games and went toe-to-toe with them in his last game. The math is pretty simple.
 
Rams43 said:
I believe that history will show us that 49ers overreacted to Rams trading for Stafford. Badly.

I get that they were worried and with good reason. But then they compounded their problem by giving away so much for an inexperienced too young QB.

Now they’re stuck and in a division with the ascending SB Champion Rams And are likely gonna be facing Stafford for the next 5 years. Kind of a reversal of their old advantage when they had Montana and we had mediocre QB’s.

I think Lynch is overrated as a GM. Snead is light years ahead of him in drafting and long term planning and don’t get me started with the trading superiority.
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Just a thought on your (imho) well laid out post.
My thoughts are that after the overreaction trade happened,
they had wayyy too long to think and over- analyze which QB they where going to take at that spot.

IMO all the 9er's needed was a smart efficient accurate QB to go with their amazing running
game and defense and they put their self in place to compete for a SB for years to come.

I just wondered if they talked themselves out of Mac Jones and went with the shiny toy?
If so, it just makes this sweeter and sweeter.

If they missed on the lance pick, that would put Lynch's record of drafting very very high pick draft busts at?????????????
let's just call it a bunch.

Warner had Lance rated last of the reported QB's in that draft.
because Lance is wildly streaky. throwing dimes one minute and throwing WTF passes the next.
Does that analogy sound anything like a SB winning QB?
 
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CoachAllred said:
Lance is wildly streaky. throwing dimes one minute and throwing WTF passes the next.
Does that analogy sound anything like a SB winning QB?
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Haha.. Kinda sounds like OUR SB winning QB at times this season!!!

Also, fuck Lance and the stupid fucking forty whiner fuckity fucks. .
 
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