Le'Veon Bell's holdout

[Psycho_X]

Welp... who the hell wins in this debacle? From what I heard, If the Steelers want they can tag him again next year at a LESS amount.

He's not going to get a big pay day because the Steelers can just franchise him again. Him sitting out has done nothing for him but cost him money. I know this is a bit complicated but if he sit out he needed to come back this week to get credit for this season to be a FA. He just gave the Steelers the upper hand.

Actually, they won't since it'll be the third year in a row. If they do they'll have to pay him QB money as

ARTICLE 10 - FRANCHISE AND TRANSITION PLAYERS
Section 2. Required Tender for Franchise Players:

(b) Any Club that designates a player as a Franchise Player for the third time shall, on the date the third such designation is made, be deemed to have tendered the player a one-year NFL Player Contract for the greater of:

(A) the average of the five largest Prior Year Salaries for players at the position (within the categories set forth in Section 7(a) below) with the highest such average;
(B) 120% of the average of the five largest Prior Year Salaries for players at the position (within the categories set forth in Section 7(a) below) at which the player participated in the most plays during the prior League Year; or
(C) 144% of his Prior Year Salary.

 

[kurtfaulk]

He's not going to get a big pay day because the Steelers can just franchise him again. Him sitting out has done nothing for him but cost him money. I know this is a bit complicated but if he sit out he needed to come back this week to get credit for this season to be a FA. He just gave the Steelers the upper hand.

they could franchise tag him again but it would have to be for qb money, i think. do you think they would do that again, even if it is for the same amount as this year? they just wasted $14.5m in cap money that could have been spent on players to make their team better and instead used it on a player that didn't want to be there on a one year deal so he didn't show up. are they gonna leave 10% of their cap sitting there next year?

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[dieterbrock]

(C) 144% of his Prior Year Salary.

Wasn't his prior year salary $0 now?

 

[Rmfnlt]

Wasn't his prior year salary $0 now?

Cool... he gets 144% of nothing... funny!

 

[Psycho_X]

Wasn't his prior year salary $0 now?

Honestly not sure, when I was listening to a sports show on way to work they were saying they didn't know why Bell would show up because even if he doesn't sign his tender today the Steelers would still have to pay him the $21 mil or whatever it comes out to in order to franchise him a third year. I've heard several shows talk about how there is no way Bell would be franchised a third year even if he didn't show up. So it came down to whether Bell wanted the other half of his salary by reporting today or just forego it so he was essentially guaranteed free agency. I'm not sure how that works but everything I've heard the last several days is that Bell had two choices.... show up for 6 paychecks or sit out a whole year and be guaranteed free agency.

 

[LARams_1963]

Again, I wish I could find it, but I read something that said if he doesn't sign this tag it regresses value wise. Whoever said it could surely be mistaken though.

 

[Ramlock]

He’s a dumbass

 

[kurtfaulk]

He’s a dumbass

may i ask why?

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[Mackeyser]

I only read the first page so forgive me if someone else brought this up.

Those contract numbers are complete horseshit. The guarantee was barely $10M and the entire contract was worse than the Kaepernick contract in that it was basically a series of 1 year contracts.

Even the sports journos who know Pitt were shocked at the details of their offer. The others...either they know they're lying or they don't know they're passing on bad info and that's worse because it means they are so lazy they can't use google.

Honestly, the pass the Pitt FO is getting here is mindboggling.

If you don't want to pay the guy, don't. Ship him out and move on.

But what they're doing is saying that "sure, you're an elite NFL player and we sure make money on using your likeness on the stadium and selling our brand, but we don't trust you, so we'll lie about our offer to you in the media and paint you as the bad guy for exercising an option under the CBA"

That's just crap.

Also, Pitt had a history of giving Bell a ridiculous amount of touches and the REAL concern that they'd treat him as an expiring commodity had Bell and his team concerned. Who's going to pay a 28 year old RB who just came off multiple 400+ touch seasons.

Oh, and Earl Thomas says "hi" with regards to playing that last year. If Earl Thomas' rehab goes bad or there are complications, he could be done. But Seattle fans and fans in general don't give two shits about players getting paid.

It's okay for the game to generate Billions...just not okay for any player or the players to fight for their share...since I've never seen an owner make a single person want to show up at a stadium to watch some rich guy in a skybox watch the game...

 

[dieterbrock]

may i ask why?

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Because he got paid $0 for the season?

 

[Ramlock]

may i ask why?

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Sure

Go ahead

 

[fearsomefour]

I only read the first page so forgive me if someone else brought this up.

Those contract numbers are complete horseshit. The guarantee was barely $10M and the entire contract was worse than the Kaepernick contract in that it was basically a series of 1 year contracts.

Even the sports journos who know Pitt were shocked at the details of their offer. The others...either they know they're lying or they don't know they're passing on bad info and that's worse because it means they are so lazy they can't use google.

Honestly, the pass the Pitt FO is getting here is mindboggling.

If you don't want to pay the guy, don't. Ship him out and move on.

But what they're doing is saying that "sure, you're an elite NFL player and we sure make money on using your likeness on the stadium and selling our brand, but we don't trust you, so we'll lie about our offer to you in the media and paint you as the bad guy for exercising an option under the CBA"

That's just crap.

Also, Pitt had a history of giving Bell a ridiculous amount of touches and the REAL concern that they'd treat him as an expiring commodity had Bell and his team concerned. Who's going to pay a 28 year old RB who just came off multiple 400+ touch seasons.

Oh, and Earl Thomas says "hi" with regards to playing that last year. If Earl Thomas' rehab goes bad or there are complications, he could be done. But Seattle fans and fans in general don't give two shits about players getting paid.

It's okay for the game to generate Billions...just not okay for any player or the players to fight for their share...since I've never seen an owner make a single person want to show up at a stadium to watch some rich guy in a skybox watch the game...

Bell is a great and explosive player and Pitts FO has a history of not over paying for FA.
If the guarenteed money is accurate in your post it is very low, agreed.
However, with Connor Pittsburgh suspected they didn't need Bell and now they know they don't.
All RBs are expiring commodities due to the nature of the position.
Will be interesting to see where he ends up and for how much next year.

 

[Rmfnlt]

Bell is a great and explosive player and Pitts FO has a history of not over paying for FA.
If the guarenteed money is accurate in your post it is very low, agreed.
However, with Connor Pittsburgh suspected they didn't need Bell and now they know they don't.
All RBs are expiring commodities due to the nature of the position.
Will be interesting to see where he ends up and for how much next year.

Bell played a game of chicken and lost... he got run over.

You're right... shelf life of a RB is somewhat limited and teams know that.

Bell is a great athlete but no one is irreplaceable.

Maybe he makes his money elsewhere (I suspect he will).

 

[thirteen28]

I only read the first page so forgive me if someone else brought this up.

Those contract numbers are complete horseshit. The guarantee was barely $10M and the entire contract was worse than the Kaepernick contract in that it was basically a series of 1 year contracts.

Even the sports journos who know Pitt were shocked at the details of their offer. The others...either they know they're lying or they don't know they're passing on bad info and that's worse because it means they are so lazy they can't use google.

Honestly, the pass the Pitt FO is getting here is mindboggling.

If you don't want to pay the guy, don't. Ship him out and move on.

But what they're doing is saying that "sure, you're an elite NFL player and we sure make money on using your likeness on the stadium and selling our brand, but we don't trust you, so we'll lie about our offer to you in the media and paint you as the bad guy for exercising an option under the CBA"

That's just crap.

Also, Pitt had a history of giving Bell a ridiculous amount of touches and the REAL concern that they'd treat him as an expiring commodity had Bell and his team concerned. Who's going to pay a 28 year old RB who just came off multiple 400+ touch seasons.

Oh, and Earl Thomas says "hi" with regards to playing that last year. If Earl Thomas' rehab goes bad or there are complications, he could be done. But Seattle fans and fans in general don't give two shits about players getting paid.

It's okay for the game to generate Billions...just not okay for any player or the players to fight for their share...since I've never seen an owner make a single person want to show up at a stadium to watch some rich guy in a skybox watch the game...

Your point about the Pittsburgh front office is duly noted, and one with which I agree. That being stipulated, Bell still should have signed the tag and played. He would have gotten $14.5 million, now he gets zero. It would have been up to Pittsburgh to either sign him to a long term deal again (which they very likely would not have done given their cheapness in this situation), franchise him again (and have him swallow up an enormous and unjustifiable amount of cap space, something else Pittsburgh would not have likely done), or let him walk and get a contract from a team who will pay Bell something closer to what he wants. Absent Pittsburgh's FO giving Bell what he wants, their only fiscally responsible choice after this season would have been to let him walk.

People can say he shouldn't have played and not risked injury. But by not signing the tag and playing, he gets paid exactly $0 instead of the $14.5 million he would have received, and very likely damaged his prospects for getting the type of contract he wants from another team.

$14.5 million and a chance to the long term deal he wants vs. $0 and less chance to get the contract he wants and one less year to make up for the money he decided to forgo this year ...

 

[Kevin]

IMO, Bell is motivated by things other than money or he would have signed the franchise tag.

 

[LesBaker]

Those contract numbers are complete horseshit. The guarantee was barely $10M and the entire contract was worse than the Kaepernick contract in that it was basically a series of 1 year contracts.

If you don't want to pay the guy, don't.

That's what they did, they didn't pay him. The contract for a guy with suspension/injury issues is different than for someone like Gurley. You have to be more careful.

He's got two strikes against him in the substance abuse category..........a third could be a season right? At least it would be a major suspension, maybe 8 games.

IMO, Bell is motivated by things other than money or he would have signed the franchise tag.

He's holding out for more money, so it is the money and he's on record saying that. It's part of what's alienating some of the Steelers players, fans and FO staff.

He reportedly wants 17MIL per year. He's not going to get that.

 

[Kevin]

Bell has said very little publicly about his holdout, directly or through his agent. Bell wants a long term contract and guaranteed money, so IMO it's more about how he gets paid than how much he gets paid. And maybe he just wants out of the Pittsburgh Steelers organization and choose where he works. He did say in a tweet that he holding out for what he believes is right for himself, his family and his peers, so maybe this is also a jab at the CBA and these various tags.

 

[Ram65]

View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1062450091083157504

People can say he shouldn't have played and not risked injury. But by not signing the tag and playing, he gets paid exactly $0 instead of the $14.5 million he would have received, and very likely damaged his prospects for getting the type of contract he wants from another team.

Obviously if he signed now he only gets paid for the remaining games. If he signed before the season the Steelers were thought to overwork him. I thought for sure he would sign now but, maybe he thought the the injury chances coming in late out weighted the the Millions he would get.

He was sticking to his principles about not getting paid what he thought he is worth. I think the Steelers should have made a better offer with better guarantees. It will be very interesting to see what he gets next year. Lots of teams have lots of money next year. A healthy Bell could do wonders for a team like the Colts who I heard have 120 Million to spend next year. Hard to pass up the 14 Million though.

 

[Corbin]

They won’t tag him again. No team will ever use the 3rd straight tag on a player because the cost is too high. He will be a FA and will likely top David Johnson’s 3yr 39m with 30m guaranteed

Actually, they won't since it'll be the third year in a row. If they do they'll have to pay him QB money as

ARTICLE 10 - FRANCHISE AND TRANSITION PLAYERS
Section 2. Required Tender for Franchise Players:

(b) Any Club that designates a player as a Franchise Player for the third time shall, on the date the third such designation is made, be deemed to have tendered the player a one-year NFL Player Contract for the greater of:

(A) the average of the five largest Prior Year Salaries for players at the position (within the categories set forth in Section 7(a) below) with the highest such average;
(B) 120% of the average of the five largest Prior Year Salaries for players at the position (within the categories set forth in Section 7(a) below) at which the player participated in the most plays during the prior League Year; or
(C) 144% of his Prior Year Salary.

they could franchise tag him again but it would have to be for qb money, i think. do you think they would do that again, even if it is for the same amount as this year? they just wasted $14.5m in cap money that could have been spent on players to make their team better and instead used it on a player that didn't want to be there on a one year deal so he didn't show up. are they gonna leave 10% of their cap sitting there next year?

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The thing is Rams bros he didn’t sign his tender so there is no “ 2nd FT season accrued”. That’s what this whole issue is! They can Franchise him again if they do choose under the year 2 franchise tag because he didn’t acquire another year of playing per Player Union- NFL contract standards.

He should of came back for the 10th week in to get credit for this season then the chances of them using a third franchise tag with QB would be highly unlikely.