Le'Veon Bell's holdout

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I think the article is spot on. If Bell tries to come back week 11, I predict the Steelers making him inactive and telling him to stay home. Why let your team be used as a showcase for his contract with his next team? Then see what kind of contract he gets after not playing an entire year and age 27.

Bell would probably like being inactive. It would keep him from injury and add less wear and tear to his body. It's almost like getting an extra year in his career. At 27 and a year of rest he would get some nice offers.
 

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I think the article makes several valid points.

If I’m a GM, I have to think twice before acquiring a 27 year old self centered twice drug involved RB that is a locker room negative and foolishly demands an arm and a leg in salary compensation.

I wouldn't sign him.

He seems the type to renegotiate when he doesn't feel it's good anymore.

I'd steer clear of that.
 

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The guaranteed money is the important number. Seems like they were close enough to get a deal done. Why not 38 million? Maybe, the Steelers should have traded him if they didn't want to risk the money because of his injury history and/or they know their window to win is closing fast.



At this point Bell is losing money but, not taking a beating and not getting injured. Seems like a lose situation for both sides. He will be 27 in Feb. I guess next year a team could give him what amounts to a three year deal @45 Million with 40 Million guaranteed.

Actually, it wasn't a straight guarantee.

I don't recall the structure, but it was embarrassingly bad. Like worse than the contract Kap signed which amounted to a series of one year deals.

Also, Bell's agent had a fantastic point.

He's more valuable to other teams having sat out than having had 400+ touches because teams count reps.

He won't have lost talent or speed, but he will also be basically a year fresher with less wear and tear which means a GM can feel a little more confident that he won't have a bad injury in training camp after guaranteeing a huge sum of money.

And you KNOW that the Steelers knowing that they have him for this last year and with him leaving at the end of the year would use him for everything short of selling popcorn.

As for his contract, he'll probably be looking for a front loaded 4 year deal in excess of $60M with close to $40M guaranteed and most of it up front so that if he has a couple of monster seasons and drops off, the cap hit to move on won't be bad or he'll be value in the last year.

I honestly don't understand why it's okay for everyone to be mindful and act in their perceived best interest EXCEPT for athletes who are supposed to subvert their interests for "the team" which doesn't share their interest or loyalty or risk.
 

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Why is this a dumb article? Makes a lot of sense to me. Bell badly misplaced his hand on this as far as I can see....

Because the Steelers look average at best without him... They need him more then he needs them, IMO. I wouldn't put my body on the line the way the RB's do without a guranteed contract and I SURE as hell would not be playing on a franchise tag at that position. Needs to be in the next CBA you can't tag a RB man.
 

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Actually, it wasn't a straight guarantee.

I don't recall the structure, but it was embarrassingly bad. Like worse than the contract Kap signed which amounted to a series of one year deals.

Also, Bell's agent had a fantastic point.

He's more valuable to other teams having sat out than having had 400+ touches because teams count reps.

He won't have lost talent or speed, but he will also be basically a year fresher with less wear and tear which means a GM can feel a little more confident that he won't have a bad injury in training camp after guaranteeing a huge sum of money.

And you KNOW that the Steelers knowing that they have him for this last year and with him leaving at the end of the year would use him for everything short of selling popcorn.

As for his contract, he'll probably be looking for a front loaded 4 year deal in excess of $60M with close to $40M guaranteed and most of it up front so that if he has a couple of monster seasons and drops off, the cap hit to move on won't be bad or he'll be value in the last year.

I honestly don't understand why it's okay for everyone to be mindful and act in their perceived best interest EXCEPT for athletes who are supposed to subvert their interests for "the team" which doesn't share their interest or loyalty or risk.

Here is a long but good read. Sounds like it wasn't a good offer. Steelers were going to use Bell up but, not give him a good long term deal. The term "rolling guarantee" with only 10 Million guaranteed the first year was a strange offer.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/7...t-steelers-offer-guaranteed-money-free-agency
 

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Guys cut him some slack here...he can return to the team by week 11, take a week to practice "in pads" then 2 weeks to get into "game shape" ....then ball out for the last 2 games and just miss the playoffs while a rejuvinated Cleveland Browns team wins the division.

Whats not to love?
 

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Conner has 260 total yards and 3 TD in first 2 games. If Pittsburgh cam trade Bell they should
 

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Actually, it wasn't a straight guarantee.

I don't recall the structure, but it was embarrassingly bad. Like worse than the contract Kap signed which amounted to a series of one year deals.

Also, Bell's agent had a fantastic point.

He's more valuable to other teams having sat out than having had 400+ touches because teams count reps.

He won't have lost talent or speed, but he will also be basically a year fresher with less wear and tear which means a GM can feel a little more confident that he won't have a bad injury in training camp after guaranteeing a huge sum of money.

And you KNOW that the Steelers knowing that they have him for this last year and with him leaving at the end of the year would use him for everything short of selling popcorn.

As for his contract, he'll probably be looking for a front loaded 4 year deal in excess of $60M with close to $40M guaranteed and most of it up front so that if he has a couple of monster seasons and drops off, the cap hit to move on won't be bad or he'll be value in the last year.

I honestly don't understand why it's okay for everyone to be mindful and act in their perceived best interest EXCEPT for athletes who are supposed to subvert their interests for "the team" which doesn't share their interest or loyalty or risk.

Yes...be MINDFUL. Except leave out all the risk that the team takes...makes perfect sense to do that in order to make your point.

Seems to be that everyone has a point and thus there is an impass. At the impass there seems to be a work stoppage. Blah Blah Blah...

I'm totally OK with it, I fucking hate Pittsburg anyway.

I say continued bad blessings to the Steelers, and may Antonio Brown complete the mission and break thier locker room into shattered glass.
 

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Here is a long but good read. Sounds like it wasn't a good offer. Steelers were going to use Bell up but, not give him a good long term deal. The term "rolling guarantee" with only 10 Million guaranteed the first year was a strange offer.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/7...t-steelers-offer-guaranteed-money-free-agency

that's just it. they offered him a paltry $10m fully guaranteed. that's less than his franchise tag. what kind of agent would allow his client to sign a contract like that? the steelers basically told him to go fuck himself.

bell is in the right here and he will make his money in free agency. and he basically told the steelers they could fuck themselves right back.

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Why is this a dumb article? Makes a lot of sense to me. Bell badly misplaced his hand on this as far as I can see....

Steelers are 0-1-1 without him, and the tie was against the Browns. Bell is smart not to take another 350+ touches before getting paid his worth.
 

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I think the article makes several valid points.

If I’m a GM, I have to think twice before acquiring a 27 year old self centered twice drug involved RB that is a locker room negative and foolishly demands an arm and a leg in salary compensation.

And if I'm a GM, I offer him a good deal that protects myself long term. Only because HBs don't last. Any attacks on Bell's character or his demands are silly.
 

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Legitimate concerns of an employer.

Responding to a thinly veiled personal shot, but whatever.

Guy is a hell of a player who asking to be compensated in line with his skill level. This reminds me of the attacks on Donald while he was holding out. He suddenly was lacking in character too.
 

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His belief that bell has ruined his career is preposterous. Bell will make exactly the same money in free agency that Gurley made this season. Maybe even more. To think otherwise is living in denial of reality.

Then to suggest he would have to take a prove it deal is laughable. Teams will be clamouring to sign him up.

This guy is just clutching at straws to fill out the article. The last paragraph is embarrassing.

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He didn't ruin his career, but the way Kaepernick and his buddy Reid were black balled makes me wonder what happens with Bell from here. I am not saying he won't be signed but I don't think he gets what he wants either.


one of the best RB in the league, definitely top 3 if not the best will get paid extremely well in free agency. Look at this past free agency, Unproven players like Watkins still got paid. Steelers made a big mistake by not getting a deal done or trading him.They got greedy

I don't agree that every team in the league views paying RBs big contracts is worth it yet. Plus at 27, how much longer can he play at his top level?
 

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Pittsburgh should have tried to trade Bell, if they weren't going to offer him a good contract. Fans may think he owes them and the team, but the Steelers owe him in reality. Bell did a favor to the rest of the ribs in the league. He is sacrificing this season to make a stand. The point has been taken and some agree with it. The Rams signed Gurley to a more worthy deal. They see the affect this is going to have in the near future. RB's have been getting used and abused for years. Many make up the brunt of their teams offense, but their pay doesn't reflect it.

I don't think the article is necessarily off though. The owners may not approve of Bell's stand. Who knows what is said at owners meetings. I don't think he will get as much as he wants, at 27. But, maybe after the Kaepernick collusion case Goodell will make it a point for teams not to lowball him.


I am glad it's not us. We suffered through the Dickerson holdout. Then we lost our hero. Pittsburgh has accomplished enough for me to want to see them in the dumps for the next twenty years. Their fans are some of the most entitled in the league.
 

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Bell would probably like being inactive. It would keep him from injury and add less wear and tear to his body. It's almost like getting an extra year in his career. At 27 and a year of rest he would get some nice offers.

Also, Bell's agent had a fantastic point.

He's more valuable to other teams having sat out than having had 400+ touches because teams count reps.

He won't have lost talent or speed, but he will also be basically a year fresher with less wear and tear which means a GM can feel a little more confident that he won't have a bad injury in training camp after guaranteeing a huge sum of money.


If this was true, then we'd have 40 year old running backs who took 10 years off to save the wear and tear on their bodies. Nope, the clock's ticking and time's not on Bell's side.
 

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He didn't ruin his career, but the way Kaepernick and his buddy Reid were black balled makes me wonder what happens with Bell from here. I am not saying he won't be signed but I don't think he gets what he wants either.




I don't agree that every team in the league views paying RBs big contracts is worth it yet. Plus at 27, how much longer can he play at his top level?

I think teams will be buoyed that bell didn't let the Steelers abuse his body this season. They will believe he has at least 3 great years left in him before he falls off a cliff. Whatever offer he gets will be much better than the offer the Steelers gave him.

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If this was true, then we'd have 40 year old running backs who took 10 years off to save the wear and tear on their bodies. Nope, the clock's ticking and time's not on Bell's side.

Father time always catches up, but there's a reason that HBs have less longevity than players at other positions. It's because of the beating they take. So yes, less touches does help him. If you want a couple examples, take a look at Tiki Barber and Thomas Jones:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BarbTi00.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneTh00.htm