Went over to a jags fan website and most of them think a 4th or 5th will get him.
90% want his ass off the team. o_0
Leonard Fournette a great solve at RB
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90% want his ass off the team. o_0
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What are you talking about there is multiple teams interested. BTW there is not a huge need for featured backs most teams have one.
Think we pick up a RB in 3rd round and roll with Brown/Henderson/Rook.
So my girlfriend is struggling tonight. Kiddos went to their dads for a sleep over. First time in over 18 months. She's crying on the phone and not sure how to cope. I explain this is a sad by product of having children live through a divorce. Oh pass on Fournette and draft a rookie. She agreed and cried the rest of the conversation.
Tough night , but she'll be ok.
Tough night , but she'll be ok.
Gonna be honest, I half expect us to trade for Fournette. Jags fans are saying 4th or 5th round value. He's apparently a great pass protector and a good receiver. Considering our past trades with that front office (Fowler and Ramsey), I wouldn't be surprised if it happens this week. Question is do we want to move more cap into the future to make it work?
I could see it, too. I saw the articles heating up yesterday he wanted to be traded... and hmm. Sorta fits our recent MO.
A late round pick here allows the early ones to go elsewhere.
A late round pick here allows the early ones to go elsewhere.
Well if the Jags fans want him gone, for sure he would be worth getting!
A 4th or 5th rounder? Heck, make that deal, and drop the 5th year option. a 4th or 5th rounder for a 1 year rental is pretty palatable, worst case he could be franchised when the Rams will have the cap space
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There are no RBs in this year's draft class that compare to how I had Fournette ranked coming out of LSU. I thought the Jags picked him a bit too high, but I still expected Fournette to perform better than he has at the NFL level. Having said that, where a player lands out of the draft is huge to development. And Jacksonville is a mess. Arguably the worst mess in the NFL right now. It is important to keep that in mind as well.
In Fournette, we are getting a bonafide #1 RB, even if he isn't an elite one right now, with the possibility of him reaching his draft potential in a good environment to become a top 5ish. Nobody we'd be in a position to draft this year could bring us that. He can also provide some good power, which would be a nice compliment to Henderson. He's also on his rookie deal, so he isn't overly expensive, although he would certainly be pricier than anyone we would draft in the mid-to-late rounds of this year's draft.
On the other hand, he is going to want real money soon, so he is likely nothing more than a short-term answer. He does have some injuries in his past. He has under achieved to date. And some people are also wondering if he is a headcase. I do not mind the Cam Newton comments much, which I don't consider egregious in the first place, and again - he is in Jacksonville.
I'd like it if Leonard Fournette was more efficient. His volume of carries is huge - they really feed him in Jacksonville. You have to remember that when looking at his numbers. At the same time, he has put up very respectable stats as the focal point of that offence with almost no other weapons. I'd have to check the stats, but I imagine he faced tons of stacked boxes.
End verdict: if we can get him on the cheap (e.g. a 5th round pick - which allegedly might be enough to get it done) and make the financials work, I hope we grab him. Worst case scenario at that price, he becomes a cheap stop-gap option at RB as we address another needs. We have lots of holes to fill this year. I'd rather use a mid round pick at a position other than RB, if we can get Fournette for a 5th as rumored. we can draft a long-term RB with a higher pick in future years, when we either have less holes to fill and/or Henderson shows he isn't part of the answer going forward. RB is a position you can draft any year.
In Fournette, we are getting a bonafide #1 RB, even if he isn't an elite one right now, with the possibility of him reaching his draft potential in a good environment to become a top 5ish. Nobody we'd be in a position to draft this year could bring us that. He can also provide some good power, which would be a nice compliment to Henderson. He's also on his rookie deal, so he isn't overly expensive, although he would certainly be pricier than anyone we would draft in the mid-to-late rounds of this year's draft.
On the other hand, he is going to want real money soon, so he is likely nothing more than a short-term answer. He does have some injuries in his past. He has under achieved to date. And some people are also wondering if he is a headcase. I do not mind the Cam Newton comments much, which I don't consider egregious in the first place, and again - he is in Jacksonville.
I'd like it if Leonard Fournette was more efficient. His volume of carries is huge - they really feed him in Jacksonville. You have to remember that when looking at his numbers. At the same time, he has put up very respectable stats as the focal point of that offence with almost no other weapons. I'd have to check the stats, but I imagine he faced tons of stacked boxes.
End verdict: if we can get him on the cheap (e.g. a 5th round pick - which allegedly might be enough to get it done) and make the financials work, I hope we grab him. Worst case scenario at that price, he becomes a cheap stop-gap option at RB as we address another needs. We have lots of holes to fill this year. I'd rather use a mid round pick at a position other than RB, if we can get Fournette for a 5th as rumored. we can draft a long-term RB with a higher pick in future years, when we either have less holes to fill and/or Henderson shows he isn't part of the answer going forward. RB is a position you can draft any year.
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Gonna go against the grain here
No way the Goats release 30 if they didn’t feel more than comfortable with Henderson
Now if adding LF at the cost of a 3rd day draft pick is there?
yeah I’d take it just as a relatively cheap insurance policy
No way the Goats release 30 if they didn’t feel more than comfortable with Henderson
Now if adding LF at the cost of a 3rd day draft pick is there?
yeah I’d take it just as a relatively cheap insurance policy
And that's why I think the Rams pass on this because of cap ramifications. I believe there now has been a cosmic shift in the front office, that now with paying a Quarterback has to adjust and look at draft capital and their contracts to fill out the roster.
Her agreeing to that makes me wonder if maybe the kids should be spending more time with dad.
Initially I thought no, dinged up and hasn't been the locker room leader you hoped for when you take a guy in the top 5. He's a top 10ish back when healthy though. I'd call and see if they'd take Havenstein for Fournette.
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Seriously you need to do your homework before posting.
1. Not elite huh? 2019 - LF was 4th overall RB in combined yards 1152 receiving 522 what are you talking about not a top back. How is that not ELITE?
BTW those stats are for 15 games if he went 16 games he would have had around 1830 yards which would have made him 3rd.
2. Over used ? He is not overused he has NEVER had a 300 carry season either with Jville or LSU.
Most of all he is on Jville, a QBless franchise with massive issues on both sides of the ball. Just imagine he was in the Rams and he got 300 touches he would right behind McCaffrey for overall total yards from a RB.
This is the ultimate no brainier this off-season for the Rams. He is a great blocker, opposite of Henderson, not expensive massive receiver for a RB and great blocker. The draft has no one REMOTELY CLOSE to LF.
If we upgrade the oline with LF we will not miss a beat from old Gurley.
LF is EXACTLY the prototype back McVay likes and a mirror of Todd Hurley just a step below.
In 2017 2018 and 2019 gurley saw an 8 man box 8%, 17% and 24% of the time respectively while Fournette saw 49%, 32%, and 31%
Leonard has seen more loaded boxes than my wife's obstetrician which makes me very interested in what he could do in our scheme.
Leonard has seen more loaded boxes than my wife's obstetrician which makes me very interested in what he could do in our scheme.
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Exactly right. As I looked at our priority needs imo: C, G, ILB, OLB, RB, BU FS, CB that is tough to draft obviously. Taking the RB out of the equation really helps plus the RB is WAY BETTER than any RV in the draft.
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Great stats, proves what the Rams can do with him. I have never been so adament that we need LF.
Remember our PPG went DOWN 8+ per game last year that was terrible. LF gives us an amazing receiver out of the backfield, 11 personnel works way better with a great receiving RB.
With LF and to upgrades on the oline we could recapture 6 ppg imo getting us up to average 30 ppg.
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Just curious (And, I apologize if this has already been mentioned) but has there been any news or rumors if the Rams are actually showing any interest in trading for Fournette? Sounds like if the Rams could get him for a low draft pick and fit his salary in their salary cap he might well be worth the gamble! Who knows(!), Maybe, his ex-teammate Jalen Ramsey can help persuade him to ask the Jaguars to consider trading him to the Rams?!
The production comes from the O-line and ZBS. I have posted before that during the '17 & '18 season, Rams Rb's averaged nearly 3 yards of positive gain before contact ; that's the best in the League. It didn't matter who carried the Ball. Then, in '19, when there were problems with the O-line, that "yards-before-contact" stat really took a dump, and TG's numbers went down.
Fournette is a good RB, but I'm not sure he fits what the Rams do. There are RB's in this draft that do fit what the Rams do, and after drafted will have an average salary close to $800K, as opposed a RB like Fournette who would be closer to 5-Mil.