Kyren Williams future discussion

[20hrswk]

PFF is one source. I would argue the weakest of all.

ESPN has the Ravens as #3 in Run Block win Rate.

Profootball Focus also has the Ravens as the #3 Oline.

Then there is the obvious. A defense has to worry about Lamar Jackson at all times.

Oline Rankings

Stumbled across this article. Not sure if it has been posted or referenced but shows some interesting things. The offensive line metric (OL+) they use combines pressure and sack rate stats with time-to-throw data then adds in ESPN Pass Block (PBWR) and Run Block Win Rate (RBWR) stats. A Few...

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Henry is more explosive but I think a solid arguement can be made for Kyren being more consistently efficient, down in and down out. Given the weaker Oline and no Jackson to deal with.

"Breakaway yards %: Henry 39.3 (5th) / Kyren 8.8 (53rd)" - I tought that one would end it but I guess not?

Thanks for bringing data rather than just opinion.
Not saying I agree with them as I see a couple "flaws", but . . .

I guess we could go back and forth as to which sites to go by with numbers, so a question to see where everybody is . . .

In general, which RB would you take - Henry or Kyren?

Specifically on the Rams, which RB would you take - Henry or Kyren?

Someone asked Henry's rankings in other years:

26th (rookie year), 16th, 2nd, 7th, 1st, 17th, 7th, 3rd (last year), 1st (this year)


. . .

 

[jrry32]

Yeah ok cherry picking numbers to make your point. Good show

Exactly. That was my point. Numbers don't tell the whole story.

Henry is in a different class as a pure runner than KW.
Henry is the closest I have seen to ED in a long time.

Agreed. I don't know how anybody could seriously argue KW over Henry. KW is a good HB. Henry is a HOFer who is completing the second-best season of a distinguished and long career.

 

[Loyal]

Absolutely no fucking way we ever add a FB with McVay. Not saying I don’t agree with you, Im telling you, he’d be like our version of the tush push.

We don't need to ! We have Braden "The Ice Box" Fiske!

 

[Merlin]

Absolutely no fucking way we ever add a FB with McVay. Not saying I don’t agree with you, Im telling you, he’d be like our version of the tush push.

Yes but it's worth discussion just to annoy OS.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I’d like everyone to hit pause to see what KWill does for the Rams for the remainder of this year. Gotta remember he was running behind a MASH unit until recently. He’s got something more valuable than breakaway speed or the ability to leap tall LBs in a single bound. He’s got legitimate heart, overall talent and a chip on his shoulder.

Yes balling out will also make that price tag rise. The price tag is the ultimate unknown as to what it will be. Rams not always known to value running backs and even drafted a running back of the same running style as him. This is what makes it such a back and forth conversation because we ultimately don't know how the front office will deal with his contract negotiations. KWill is talented for sure and deserving of a raise regardless of anyone's opinion.

 

[Loyal]

Yes balling out will also make that price tag rise. The price tag is the ultimate unknown as to what it will be. Rams not always known to value running backs and even drafted a running back of the same running style as him. This is what makes it such a back and forth conversation because we ultimately don't know how the front office will deal with his contract negotiations. KWill is talented for sure and deserving of a raise regardless of anyone's opinion.

I hope he prices himself out of the market, sporting that shiny new Super Bowl ring.

 

[Steve808]

"Breakaway yards %: Henry 39.3 (5th) / Kyren 8.8 (53rd)" - I tought that one would end it but I guess not?

Thanks for bringing data rather than just opinion.
Not saying I agree with them as I see a couple "flaws", but . . .

I guess we could go back and forth as to which sites to go by with numbers, so a question to see where everybody is . . .

In general, which RB would you take - Henry or Kyren?

Specifically on the Rams, which RB would you take - Henry or Kyren?

Someone asked Henry's rankings in other years:

26th (rookie year), 16th, 2nd, 7th, 1st, 17th, 7th, 3rd (last year), 1st (this year)


. . .

Henry is a beast. And to his credit, he hasn't lost a step. so it seems.

I'm in my fantasy football super bowl this week and my opponent had Henry. Seemed like he was getting 5-10 yards per carry before contact in the first half, including a walk in TD in the 1st quarter. Thankfully my fantasy QB was Lamar Jackson who erased those fantasy points and then some.

 

[TexasRam]

"Breakaway yards %: Henry 39.3 (5th) / Kyren 8.8 (53rd)" - I tought that one would end it but I guess not?

Thanks for bringing data rather than just opinion.
Not saying I agree with them as I see a couple "flaws", but . . .

I guess we could go back and forth as to which sites to go by with numbers, so a question to see where everybody is . . .

In general, which RB would you take - Henry or Kyren?

Specifically on the Rams, which RB would you take - Henry or Kyren?

Someone asked Henry's rankings in other years:

26th (rookie year), 16th, 2nd, 7th, 1st, 17th, 7th, 3rd (last year), 1st (this year)


. . .

KW has only played 2 full years.
25 TD’s after two years is exceptional. Henry had 10 TD and less YPC after his first two years.

However Henry is coming to the end of a long HOF career with some monster years and long run highlights that has etched his name permanently in the great category.

I personally don’t think Kyren has ever ran behind the type of Olines that Henry has.

KW will never have the physical build and breakaway speed of Henry, but I think his vision and short area escapability is superior.

No one in their right mind would chose KW right now over Henry, but I think KW is much better than the common fan is aware of. His goaline prowess is critically important to the Rams Success. Im not sure Henry could improve on that though he certainly would add the big play dimension.

I remember all world Dickerson get shutout vs the 85 Bears when it mattered most. Another No Super Bowl ring RB. When the big plays are shutdown and you don’t have a short yardage plan B, the offense is defused, and the game is over.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Might not be a poplar opinion, but there's a chance that Blake Corum might be as good or even better than Williams if given the opportunity.

 

[OldSchool]

Might not be a poplar opinion, but there's a chance that Blake Corum might be as good or even better than Williams if given the opportunity.

A very real possibility, as real as he's a downgrade. We just don't know yet but in college he was every bit the runner KW was if not better.

 

[DzRams]

Might not be a poplar opinion, but there's a chance that Blake Corum might be as good or even better than Williams if given the opportunity.

Sure. Or he could be much worse. We've seen literally zero NFL evidence that he can be better.

 

[RamFan503]

the Moderators apologize for having a life and not acting faster on all this

Its been handled

Slacker!

 

[Memphis Ram]

Sure. Or he could be much worse. We've seen literally zero NFL evidence that he can be better.

That's true. But one could argue that he was a better college back and that Kyren Williams didn't necessarily look like bell cow material his rookie season.

 

[DzRams]

That's true. But one could argue that he was a better college back and that Kyren Williams didn't necessarily look like bell cow material his rookie season.

Personally, at a certain point, college production becomes irrelevant to me since there is an NFL body of work to judge. In college, they played under different circumstances - I.e. different coaches, schemes, OL, QBs, WRs, opponents played, etc.

When on the same team in the NFL, their circumstances are similar. From what I can tell now, Corum is similar but KW has superior vision and patience. My hope is that Corum can grow into what KW is.

Edit: As for how their rookie seasons looked, I saw Kyren's elite vision immediately.

 

[PhillyRam]

Sure. Or he could be much worse. We've seen literally zero NFL evidence that he can be better.

I am guessing the coaches who see these guys in practice as well as in the RB room, have a good feel for what Corum can do. And that's not even considering what he has flashed in games in both running/catching the ball and blitz pick up.

 

[DzRams]

I am guessing the coaches who see these guys in practice as well as in the RB room, have a good feel for what Corum can do. And that's not even considering what he has flashed in games in both running/catching the ball and blitz pick up.

Agreed. But can't this argument work both ways?

The coaches who see them both in practice have decided to give KW over 300 snaps this year and give relatively few to Corum.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Agreed. But can't this argument work both ways?

The coaches who see them both in practice have decided to give KW over 300 snaps this year and give relatively few to Corum.

McVay trusting a veteran over a rookie? Nothing new there. Kyren sat behind Akers and Henderson as a rookie.

 

[DzRams]

McVay trusting a veteran over a rookie? Nothing new there. Kyren sat behind Akers and Henderson as a rookie.

True. Although I wouldn't equate sitting behind two vets with sitting behind one.

At any rate, that's immaterial. My point is, we have no evidence he's good. Lack of evidence doesn't mean he's bad; it's just we have nothing that says he's good.

 

[Memphis Ram]

True. Although I wouldn't equate sitting behind two vets with sitting behind one.

At any rate, that's immaterial. My point is, we have no evidence he's good. Lack of evidence doesn't mean he's bad; it's just we have nothing that says he's good.

Understandable. That's why I started of with there being a chance that Corum might be as good or better.

BTW, the one vet seems to be better / more productive than the prior two mentioned vets combined.

 

[swmizzou83]

Personally, at a certain point, college production becomes irrelevant to me since there is an NFL body of work to judge. In college, they played under different circumstances - I.e. different coaches, schemes, OL, QBs, WRs, opponents played, etc.

When on the same team in the NFL, their circumstances are similar. From what I can tell now, Corum is similar but KW has superior vision and patience. My hope is that Corum can grow into what KW is.

Edit: As for how their rookie seasons looked, I saw Kyren's elite vision immediately.

If you used college production as the primary gauge than our starting RB would be Cody Schrader. He was better than both Williams and Corum at least production wise his senior year.