Kyler Murray draws rave reviews from teammates

[DVontel]

Height helps, does it have anything to do with durability? Of course not, however, Murray will need to protect himself like Russell Wilson, ensuring he slides (baseball player so that is huge) and running out of bounds. I believe he'll be a great QB as I also believe the Arizona Cardinals will score many points and give up a ton as well.

I think height both helps & hurts. Sure, he’ll probably have to make more throws out the pocket than usual, but I can’t imagine being a 6’3+ DLineman having to squat down to get ahold of Kyler as opposed to getting to a big & easier target like Big Ben or Cam.

 

[Zaphod]

Aaron Donald is intelligent on how to sack SBs without getting a penalty. Doubt he’ll injure Kyler or any other QB any time soon.

Excellent observation, he knows he's a player who receives a lot of focus and is so actively cognizant of receiving penalties for contact that it is almost frustrating to this fan. Don't get me wrong, I don't look for injury in these situations, but I've certainly played enough hockey to understand how finishing your hits can impact another's play.

That said I do enjoy his professionalism while wishing our all of our division opponents two solid losses in each of their games with the Rams.

 

[Zaphod]

All I can say is Murray is ahead of the rest of the team in terms of the offensive scheme because it's the same one he played in college. So yeah he better know it. He had fewer bat downs in college because he wasn't playing in a drop back system. But he still has to learn to read an NFL defense. Spread offenses give the QB one maybe two reads then dump off or run. Thats exactly why they pretty much failed at the NFL level. Good NFL defenses will take away those quick reads, then what? Run or force the throw. He already has a penchant of forcing throws. He will learn he can't get away with it nearly as often in the NFL. He's likely to put his defense on short fields which will likely mean a mediocre record at best. It will be interesting to see if Klingsbury gets more than 2 or max of 3 years. IMO if they have two losing seasons in a row he's gone. I see AZ finishing last in the NFCW the next two years looking for a new coach and putting their program back at least another 2 years.

My guess is that they will be forced to poach one of Andy Reid's coaches to replace Klingsbury.

Do you think that the spread helps or hurts Fitzgerald at this point in his career.

Great point with the Andy Reid coaching tree.

 

[RamFan503]

You’re the first person I seen call RG3 small.

Nope. He may not be short but when he ran with those spindly little legs, many people saw him as a hit or two from an ambulance ride. Small is not only a matter of height.

 

[DVontel]

Nope. He may not be short but when he ran with those spindly little legs, many people saw him as a hit or two from an ambulance ride. Small is not only a matter of height.

RG3 also didn’t know how to slide or how to take a hit, which was his problem in college.

 

[IE Rams]

I guess Larry likes him, but would he say anything bad about him at this point?

Fitz is too classy to talk shit about anybody. That’s just him being himself, AND a good teammate.

 

[Merlin]

Assuming the Cards run an offense he understands, there is no reason to think Murray won't be at least an exciting QB who can kill a defense with arm or legs.

It's good for the division tbh. I think the NFC West is going to be loaded this season. Seahawks are a quality team capable of winning the division if the Rams falter. 9ers have a lot of key pieces and a great offensive mind drawin it up. Cards are going to run an offense that should maximize their hand-picked QB so even if they're in the basement they'll be a tough draw on any given week in terms of putting up some points.

Which is good for the Rams IMO. More challenge during the regular season means more prepared come the playoffs.

 

[den-the-coach]

but I can’t imagine being a 6’3+ DLineman having to squat down to get ahold of Kyler as opposed to getting to a big & easier target like Big Ben or Cam.

That's an excellent point....However, Big Ben does not go down easy, seen that many times, but getting a hold of Murray, will be a chore that is for sure!

 

[gogoat1]

This guy is going to get broken into bits and have to try and play quarterback with his skills between his ears. His interviews at the combine are a tell.
NFL DCs are smart and very good at what they do. By his second time around the schedule their will be a book on him.
He will fail. The best QB got traded. Their coach is a McVay wannabe and in over his head.
The Rams will prove it.

 

[oldnotdead]

Larry isn't scheme specific. That said, in the long run I wouldn't be surprised if it hurt. Why? For exactly what I posted, in a spread offense WR's need to win early (i.e. right off the LOS) because the QB won't be sitting back there waiting for the receiver to come open. Larry will often come open late (i.e. at the top of his route) which might be too late. Murray isn't a patient QB like a Rivers or Brees. If they adjust the routes shorter it doesn't play to Larry's strength. He's a long strider and they have problems on shorter routes. Therefore IMO the success or not of Fitzgerald in this offense is going to be based upon how the route tree is structured. But at his age he's probably running a 4.7 at best so most of his catches will probably be contested.

If this season goes like I think it will I would expect Larry to retire next year. He's only signed through this year and at his age I think this is it.

 

[1maGoh]

A “rushing QB” is a QB that struggles with arm talent. Weak arm, cannot throw in tight windows, accuracy problems, progression problems, etc,

A "rushing QB" is a QB who rushes. A "crappy QB" is a QB that struggles with arm talent.

Words.
Have.
Meanings.

 

[DVontel]

A "rushing QB" is a QB who rushes. A "crappy QB" is a QB that struggles with arm talent.

Words.
Have.
Meanings.

Much needed post.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Kyler isn’t a running QB. He’s a great passer that can run. Film & stats show that.

The only thing i'd jump in here and say is what's the difference between a running QB and dual threat QB?
IMO there are only dual threat QB's and pocket passers. It's one or the other. It just so happens that the vast majority of dual threat QB's over the years and today are better runners than pure passers. I think a dual threat QB like Steve Young for example, was a better passer than runner but was the best dual threat guy i've ever seen if you add up the arm & leg threat. Kyler could be that type of guy i guess, but it does remain to be seen just how good he is in an NFL pocket.

I rambled but my point is that he is a dual threat QB and not a pocket passer, and many many folks will label the dual threat guys as "running QB's."

 

[1maGoh]

Much needed post.

I'm glad it helped you. I contemplated including a link to dictionary.com, but I figured that would be a little too on the nose.

 

[DVontel]

The only thing i'd jump in here and say is what's the difference between a running QB and dual threat QB?
IMO there are only dual threat QB's and pocket passers. It's one or the other. It just so happens that the vast majority of dual threat QB's over the years and today are better runners than pure passers. I think a dual threat QB like Steve Young for example, was a better passer than runner but was the best dual threat guy i've ever seen if you add up the arm & leg threat. Kyler could be that type of guy i guess, but it does remain to be seen just how good he is in an NFL pocket.

I rambled but my point is that he is a dual threat QB and not a pocket passer, and many many folks will label the dual threat guys as "running QB's."

From my experience, it just seems when people label a QB a “rushing/running QB” they are a threat with their legs, but only their legs. They struggle to read defenses & result to background football a majority of the time.

Dual threat QBs, while they are liable to hurt you with their legs, they’re just as good with their arm. Rodgers, Luck, Russ, Wentz, Watson, Mahomes, etc.

That’s the difference between a running QB like Lamar Jackson & may I say soon to be, a dual-threat QB like Kyler. Lamar can own you with his legs, but ONLY his legs. He still has a lot to grow when it comes to passing. Kyler will be able to hurt you with both his arm & legs.

 

[Akrasian]

You have an odd definition of a rushing QB.

A “rushing QB” is a QB that struggles with arm talent. Weak arm, cannot throw in tight windows, accuracy problems, progression problems, etc, hence the reasons why RG3 & Kaep didn’t succeed for very long, while Russ is able to keep having great seasons & putting Seattle on his back. Same traits that Kyler succeeds at. Tell me, little small Russ has gotten hit a ton, why is he still playing football? Isn’t he supposed be retired according to you? Why is it always the big mobile QBs that get injured & not little small Russ?

No, a rushing QB is one who has running as an important part of his repertoire. There have been many rushing QBs who have good arms. Redefining things doesn't help your case. For instance, are you trying to claim that Tarkenton wasn't a rushing QB?

In terms of comparing Kyler to Wilson - it's amazingly premature to claim that Kyler succeeds in things like putting a NFL team on his back. That is fanboyism, to an extreme level. Wilson is an exceptional and RARE qb - a rushing QB who has avoided major injury. Pretending that Murray is that already is laughable. He might get there - but it's a long shot. But please don't act stupid and pretend that Murray already has shown the ability to succeed in the NFL with his arm (while never having actually played in a NFL style offense) and that Murray will be unlike most rushing QBs and will avoid significant injuries.

 

[Akrasian]

I think height both helps & hurts. Sure, he’ll probably have to make more throws out the pocket than usual, but I can’t imagine being a 6’3+ DLineman having to squat down to get ahold of Kyler as opposed to getting to a big & easier target like Big Ben or Cam.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA. Quickness is one thing, and could be an issue (though often there won't be much room for Murray to avoid a rush). Do you seriously think a 5" taller DE would have trouble tackling a guy just because he's short? He's not Billy Barty short - any difficulty wrapping him up won't be because he's too short for taller linemen.

 

[Ram65]

Murray seemed to have all day to throw in college. He is going to have to make reads faster or throw some WRs open. Watching the presser he seems confident enough and willing to put in the work. He is going to have a long season.

 

[gogoat1]

Rushing Qbs "hurt" their team. Its simple human nature.
Just like Vicks Falcons. WRs are not going to give their all, 100% every second if they know that fool QB is going to take off running at the slightest hint of danger. They give their all for someone like Brady, Brees ect who wait until the last second for the receiver to come open.
Its human nature, hard to fight it.

 

[DVontel]

No, a rushing QB is one who has running as an important part of his repertoire. There have been many rushing QBs who have good arms. Redefining things doesn't help your case. For instance, are you trying to claim that Tarkenton wasn't a rushing QB?

In terms of comparing Kyler to Wilson - it's amazingly premature to claim that Kyler succeeds in things like putting a NFL team on his back. That is fanboyism, to an extreme level. Wilson is an exceptional and RARE qb - a rushing QB who has avoided major injury. Pretending that Murray is that already is laughable. He might get there - but it's a long shot. But please don't act stupid and pretend that Murray already has shown the ability to succeed in the NFL with his arm (while never having actually played in a NFL style offense) and that Murray will be unlike most rushing QBs and will avoid significant injuries.

I’m not sure if you know this, but they are called “dual-threat QBs”. Tarkenton was a dual-threat QB. You know, guys that can hurt you with their arms & legs? Like that Russell Wilson guy. No one that doesn’t have a caveman mentality calls Russell Wilson a “rushing QB”.


He’ll get there, that’s my prediction. He’s going to get “hit hard” & all that mess you can apply to every QB ever(yet for him, you’re just so focused on reiterating that over & over), but he’ll get right back up & dust it off. It’s wild how Kyler has played football & baseball since high school & yet has sustained a major injury while the pocket passing QB, Rosen, was well known for having durability problems in college.