Kyler Murray draws rave reviews from teammates

[CGI_Ram]

I don’t know what to think of Murray. I see why people are excited.

My concern would be the over-reach to find the next Mahomes or Wilson. We’ve seen that before.

I personally have a hard time getting past his size and the fact his decision making needs work. Both of those are hard (in the case of size - impossible) to fix at the NFL level.

If I am the Cardinals... I am excited... and scared to death.

 

[OldSchool]

No denying the guy is very talented. Just as there's no denying he's small and that could, with some of the things he does, lead to injuries in the NFL. I get that he's never had that problem in high school or college but the NFL is a different beast.

 

[Akrasian]

No denying the guy is very talented. Just as there's no denying he's small and that could, with some of the things he does, lead to injuries in the NFL. I get that he's never had that problem in high school or college but the NFL is a different beast.

Yeah, everybody he will face in the NFL will be bigger, stronger, and mostly faster than what he faced in college. When he was at OU his teammates were mostly bigger and stronger than the teams they faced. That won't be the case in the NFL. Occasionally little QBs that survive partially on their mobility do okay - for the most part their effective careers are short. Heck, for the most part even big QBs that use mobility as a weapon have short careers. Add in that AZ doesn't have a good team around him. They drafted ok after taking him - but if they'd traded the pick for a ton as they could have, and kept Rosen, they could have done a lot more to build up the team.

Murray will have moments - just while many will be good, a whole bunch will be bad. And he will take hits, because his playing style and the likely coaching style of Kingsbury is one that inevitably leads to hits - and again, the ones delivering the hits will be bigger, faster, and stronger than the ones delivering hits in college, and the players protecting him won't be better than the defenders.

Of course, I don't view this as a bad thing, since the Cardinals are divisional rivals.

 

[ReekofRams]

I believe, perhaps wrongly, that he will have trouble finding passing lanes - and will be beaten up, as the season progresses, running the ball too often.

HEIGHT 5' 10" ARM LENGTH 28 1/2" WEIGHT 207 HANDS 9 1/2

Those height and arm measurements are small, by any standard

For comparison

Russell Wilson was 5'11" HEIGHT 31" ARM LENGTH 204 LB WEIGHT 10 1/4" HANDS
Drew Brees was 6'1/4" HEIGHT 31" ARM LENGTH 213 LB WEIGHT 10 1/4" HANDS
Jared Goff 6'4" HEIGHT 32 3/4" ARM LENGTH WEIGHT 215 9" HANDS

Height and Arm length make a BIG difference. Drew's height is no-where near the deficiency that people have made out and he has long arms. Russell Wilson is the next smallest QB, but is built solid - has had trouble finding passing lanes, at times (especially v us), but is a throw first QB who runs only when the pocket breaks down or a large lane presents itself. Physical comparisons to Patrick Mahomes are not even close (Height: 6-3 Arms 33 1 ⁄ 4 Weight: 230)

Yeah he’s getting down to Doug Flutie range, and we all know how that went. Oh wait. Didn’t Flutie also win some trophy too? Oh this ain’t looking too good for Murray.

 

[DVontel]

I don’t know what to think of Murray. I see why people are excited.

My concern would be the over-reach to find the next Mahomes or Wilson. We’ve seen that before.

I personally have a hard time getting past his size and the fact his decision making needs work. Both of those are hard (in the case of size - impossible) to fix at the NFL level.

If I am the Cardinals... I am excited... and scared to death.

I’d argue his decision making is a positive.

One thing that is unknown & I'm curious about is how he handles adversity on the field. Even going back to high school, he was on the most talented team 85% of the time.

 

[Corbin]

View: https://youtu.be/ztwEge4j0eU

 

[ProGen]

I don’t know what to think of Murray. I see why people are excited.

My concern would be the over-reach to find the next Mahomes or Wilson. We’ve seen that before.

I personally have a hard time getting past his size and the fact his decision making needs work. Both of those are hard (in the case of size - impossible) to fix at the NFL level.

If I am the Cardinals... I am excited... and scared to death.

Well put. Exactly how I would feel if I were a Cards fan. As I'm not - I'm just looking forward to watching a potentially very entertaining player ball out for 14 weeks a year.

 

[oldnotdead]

As the first overall pick, before he's played a snap he better be getting rave reviews. Seeing as how they traded away the QB they traded up to get last year and got little for him in doing so, it's got to be the team line at this stage. The initial problem won't only be with Murray, but the rest of the offense around him. Everything is now geared to him with the rest of the unit having to learn it from scratch. So there will be growing pains not only for a rookie QB but also for the rest of the offense. They dug themselves a deep hole so now it's about seeing if they can climb out of it. I'm not convinced that AZ has the players around him to pull it off in one season. I think they might be staring down the barrel at some potentially ugly games this season. Just look at their last 5 games. The Rams twice, Steelers, Browns and Seahawks. I don't see a single win there. I will say right now they might end up 5-11 or 6-10 or worse. This is assuming he stays healthy all year. They might be picking in the top 5 in next years draft. What will they do trade Murray and draft another QB? Geez it's laughable. If I were a Cardinal fan I'd stock up on paper bags and sharpen my scissor to cut eye and nose holes.

 

[Mojo Ram]

I just watched that video clip in the John Johnson thread talking about Weddle....then they asked him about Murray and showed a mini camp clip of Murray in passing drills and i literally Lol'd.
I mean it looks like someone let their 12 yr old boy put on a uniform and a full size helmet. That pop warner big head look. Putting pads on will help but he looks like a bobblehead character without them.

 

[Mojo Ram]

 

[Rams43]

I’m a big Kyler Murray fan, okay?

However...

I do think that the Cards would have been better off had they retained Rosen and traded out of that #1 overall for the most that they could get.

Rosen, with competent coaching and surrounded by more talent could have been their franchise QB for years.

Cards have not been making the best of decisions for the past few years, huh?

 

[Loyal]

I'm pretty sure this kid aint Murray...WAY too big...

 

[DVontel]

I’m a big Kyler Murray fan, okay?

However...

I do think that the Cards would have been better off had they retained Rosen and traded out of that #1 overall for the most that they could get.

Rosen, with competent coaching and surrounded by more talent could have been their franchise QB for years.

Cards have not been making the best of decisions for the past few years, huh?

The thing is that QB is still the most impactful player on the field by far. Rosen, with competent coaching, could be a good player. I think Kyler, with competent coaching, could be a superstar.

 

[majrleaged]

I don’t know what to think of Murray. I see why people are excited.

My concern would be the over-reach to find the next Mahomes or Wilson. We’ve seen that before.

I personally have a hard time getting past his size and the fact his decision making needs work. Both of those are hard (in the case of size - impossible) to fix at the NFL level.

If I am the Cardinals... I am excited... and scared to death.

Yes. They over reached looking for Wilson or mahomes and before that they over reached looking for McVay. The fans should be nothing but scared.

 

[gogoat1]

The thing is that QB is still the most impactful player on the field by far. Rosen, with competent coaching, could be a good player. I think Kyler, with competent coaching, could be a superstar.

Doubt it. Small, not that smart, horrible interviews. Did not do the white board well.He will be another Mike Vick at best.
He will make some splash plays but will take a big hit and not get up.
The better QB in the end, got traded.
This "athletic" quarterback stuff they have been trying to shove down or throats for years will not take over the NFL. Number one qualification of a NFL quarterback is toughness. Number two is right between the ears. Both of which he is lacking.

 

[Ram65]

A lot will depend on how fast Murray can process information in the passing game. He is cat like quick which will help him avoid some rush and RPOs can slow down lineman and linebackers. That could help create passing lanes that he will need due to his height. He can easily roll out of the pocket too. Will getting hit by NFL payers over and over slow him down? Keep moving him around will be the best bet to help him be effective in the passing game.

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[DVontel]

Small

And...?

not that smart

You’re one of his professors or coaches?

horrible interviews

irrelevant to actual quarterbacking ability. Did not do the white board well.

He will make some splash plays but will take a big hit and not get up.

Haven’t seen this before.

The better QB in the end, got traded.

Yup, because he surely showed why a prospects coming out. Even doubled down on it with his rookie performance. You can even go back to HS where both played on great teams & see how their accolades measure with each other.

This "athletic" quarterback stuff they have been trying to shove down or throats for years will not take over the NFL.

Hasn’t been a problem with Wilson, Mahomes, & most likely Baker.

Number one qualification of a NFL quarterback is toughness. Number two is right between the ears. Both of which he is lacking.

What is even your definition of toughness? Not running head up a LB? I have a feeling in a few years, you’ll be wishing Rosen never got traded.

 

[fanotodd]

Everybody is great when they aren't getting hit back. He's yet to see an opposing D. Whether or not he become that guy is for us to see, but talk to russell wilson and carson palmer about the Rams DL. He better grow up fast or he will retire early.

Edit:
I bet big on zona chunking. Rookie HC, rookie QB? Bad combo...or one for the ages. I'm going thumbs down.

 

[fanotodd]

He did play baseball growing up. His dad played in the MLB... so that's where it obviously started 1st. But Goff didn't play college baseball.

His pops was a catcher. One of my good friends was a MLB pitcher and his catcher when he was starting out in the minors was Jared's dad. He has nothing but glowing things to say about Jared's whole family... and my friend is a freaking whiner fan.

"Catcher." They are one of the smartest guys on the field (with SS) and have been very good Mgrs (SS too).

However, how many big time, college pitchers make it as a QB? There's a big difference between hitting a stationary target on your own terms vs having your ass chased while you struggle to see reads and make the correct, accurate throw. See krapernick, bobby 3.

 

[CGI_Ram]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...r-seen-a-rookie-qb-come-in-like-kyler-murray/

Larry Fitzgerald: I’ve never seen a rookie QB come in like Kyler Murray

Larry Fitzgerald has seen a lot in his 16 seasons with the Cardinals, but he hasn’t seen a quarterback like Kyler Murray.

Fitzgerald told former Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner on NFL Network that Murray has taken over Arizona’s offense like no quarterback before him.

“I’ve never seen a quarterback come in so quickly and be able to command an offense,” Fitzgerald said. “I mean, from Day 1, he’s out there checking the different plays, sliding the line, different protections, getting us in screens when blitzes are coming. His understanding of the offense is crazy. I mean, from Day One. I think that’s going to give us a great advantage, to play fast from the first preseason game all the way to the start of the regular season and giving him the keys to the car and letting him is going to be great for us.”

The knock on Murray coming into the NFL was that his size would be a liability when facing live defenses — something he doesn’t face in training camp. So we need to see Murray in a game before we can draw any conclusions about him. But in the protective red jersey in training camp, Murray has impressed.