Jrry32 Give Up the Farm for Goff Mock

[DR RAM]

I'm not sure what that means. The trade value chart didn't allow us to get any players, it only evaluates the relative value of draft slots when discussing and making trades of draft picks.

Call it bunk, but analyze the draft pick trades made in the last decade. The only one I can find which significantly varies from the trade value chart valuations is our trade with Washington where we, holding the higher value pick, got a premium. Somebody, or more precisely a group of somebodies, seem to think the trade value chart has merit.

Don't get me wrong. If Tennessee received no other offers, they might consider it. I just don't think they'd sell the pick that cheap. If Goff is really that good, they'll get other offers.

Seems like I've argued this every year for the last 5 years. I did the research, the chart is a valid argument. We broke the mold, as you pointed out, but the circumstances were in place, for that to happen. I don't think anyone thinks that Goff is in the same category, as Luck, or RGME, at the time.

 

[FRO]

I think with the OC, it made more sense to me to go with Boyd if we had to choose one. Barnidge was a journeyman before going to Cleveland. Plus, I'd like to get a young guy here to upgrade on Britt in the future. Britt is a good vertical target but he's a highly inconsistent player on shorter routes. That's where Boyd can really do damage. And ultimately, I think we need a guy who can consistently get open on short and intermediate routes.

What I really like about Boyd is you can line him up anywhere. I think he would be a nice slot receiver, yet he can definitely play outside. I love his hands and his ability to go up and get it.

 

[FRO]

And look how well their QB draft selection went and they're now running with a 4th (?) round QB...

I'm just not getting all the Hype you guys are throwing on Goff, he doesn't seem that special to me at all

It just proves that trade didn't banish them to the cellar for 10 years.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Yep, there is a crazy trade for Goff here. Some will hate it, some will like it, some will be okay with it.

 

[ChrisW]

You know what? Fuck it. If we resign our core free agents and trade all that for Goff, I will be good. We have future contracts to worry about in Gurley and Donald who have been all pro, and will eat up cap in the future. It might be smart to mortgage extra first round picks in the hopes that Goff is our next franchise QB

 

[jrry32]

I include Dallas in the group of teams that needs a quarterback. In order, Cleveland, Dallas, San Francisco, Philadelphia all should be lookin at QBs. When is the next time they will be drafting this high? If you are in a position to take a top QB and you don't have one, or yours is aging or always injured, then you should pick one.
You could even throw in a team like New Orleans who are rumored to be making the team over. We don't really know how much the Bears like Cutler, or the Dolphins like Tannehill.

But just say that at least 4 teams higher than the Rams need a QB. The Browns at #2 could easily make a better trade to move up one pick and ensure they get their guy, whomever that is. Then Dallas is at 5 and the Niners at 7. That is stiff competition to move up on. However with those 4 teams looming, if the Rams even want to get a bit of a project like Wentz, then they probably have to make a trade up. Wentz will really have to test bad for a team like Dallas who has an aging/injured Romo to pass on him.

There are a few holes that I can try to poke in the theory (to explain my rationale behind why I think it's possible):
Browns - They're picking #2. You have to keep in mind that the Browns aren't going to know the Rams are trading up. The Titans can tell them that but if you're the Browns, do you buy it? You're sitting pretty at #2 and you have the team picking a spot ahead of you asking you to give up a premium pick to move up for a player they aren't going to draft. Plus, there's another part of the scenario I think you're not considering as strongly. If the Titans agree to this deal, it's because they recognize the lack of value at the top of the draft for them. They have a franchise QB. They have a young LT. They have talent at DE. The two best non-QBs are a LT and a DE.(arguably) If they're willing to move down to #15, it's because they don't feel that any of the guys at #1 are must haves. That doesn't change at #2. Which means the Browns will have to offer similar value. I have a hard time seeing the Browns being willing to deal #2 and a future 1st.

Dallas - This one is short and sweet for me. I don't believe Dallas is going to take a QB in the top 5. I also don't think they'd be willing to trade up for a QB. I think they're more likely to grab RGIII or Johnny Manziel.

San Francisco - They could be real competition. It's possible they offer a better package. But I'm not sure they're willing to go to the lengths we are with the rebuilding they're doing. Plus, they might opt not to go away from Kaepernick depending on their next HC. Even if they do, I don't think they'll be willing to toss a RGIII deal at Tennessee for Goff. They have too many needs. They're not close to contending like we are.

I am a little cooled on Boyd. I am leaning towards Josh Doctson mostly, or Corey Coleman. I also really like Mike Thomas out of Southern Miss. a little later in the draft. The rest of the draft looks fine. Matthews would be a good choice at OC, especially in round 6.

I'm kind of surprised at this. I feel like of the three, Boyd is the safest bet to make an impact early on and is the safest bet as a player.

I was questioning all of these mocks that have Long being released. I figured he can heal up and get through one more season and switch spots with Hayes as the depth. But then I saw him chasing a play in one of the later games. I think it was Tampa Bay. I couldn't believe how slow and lumbering he looked. He clearly has lost a step or 8. I still try to bring Barron back. He was invaluable this year and is the type of player that you just figure out how to get into games. The Rams don't have enough star types to let one go. Most think he can get a huge deal this offseason but what will that deal be paying him to play? Strong Safety? WLB? SS don't demand huge contracts and he is still a bit smaller for WLB. Will teams be willing to throw a great deal of money at him to play either position full time? We'll see. If he is cheap enough I keep him on.

I'd keep Barron if he's cheap enough. But I think he'll likely get a better deal elsewhere.

 

[jrry32]

I would love it if you could pull off that trade, off season, and draft. However, I think the #1 pick would cost us more draft capital than you show.

Washington's trade with us to move from #6 to #2 cost more draft capital than what you show us spending to move from #15 to #1. Same picks as involved in our Washington deal, but the draft slots are lower. I show values from the trade value chart inside ().

It was also a different draft. Miami traded up from #12 to #3 using only their 2nd round pick the year after the RGIII draft. What you pay depends on the strength of the draft class and the teams you're bidding against.

In this draft, I think the Titans best move is for them to move down. They're not going to refuse to make the deal because we only offer 3 1sts and a 2nd rather than 3 1sts and 2 2nds. If they're willing to move down to #15, they're going to jump at RGIII value. Unless we get outbid.

The trade value chart only offers theoretical value. If you want to move down, you're going to take the best offer. Especially if that best offer gives you three first round picks.

Our trade with Washington sent #2 (2600) in return for #6 (1600), #33 (580), and Washington's next two #1 picks. Valuing future picks is a bit less mechanical, but generally what I've seen is that you have the value of the pick for each year in the future it is. Since you don't know what a team's draft position will be, assume the middle of the round. That would make Washington's two future #1s to us worth 500 and 250 respectively (1/2 the value of a mid round #1 and 1/4 the value of a mid round #1). The total trade would be: We gave up 2600, Washington gave up 1600 + 580 + 500 + 250, or 2930. [I've always though we "got to them" for that second future #1]

Whether teams follow the trade value chart or not, if you apply it to past trades, the values work out pretty close to it. Since your proposed trade uses the exact same picks, whatever rules you use the value system would be comparable.

You proposed trade with Tennesse to obtain the #1 pick has us going from #15 (1050) to #1 (3000). To do that, you have us trading our #15 (1050), the 2nd from Philly, #43 (470), and our next two first round picks. That trade value analysis would be: Tennesse gives up 3000, we give up 1050 + 470 + 500 + 250, or 2270.

I don't value picks that way. You're getting a first round pick no matter what. The pick isn't worth less than a first round pick. Thus, I value future first round picks as the 32nd pick in the first round. Because that's the worst case scenario. In that scenario, we're offering value around 2700 for the 1st pick which is listed at 3000. That's close enough for me.

I see no way Tennessee would move from #1 to #15 this year for that return. To make that deal, I think it would take at least our regular second round pick, #45 (450) as well as our third round pick #76 (210) and fourth round pick #110 (74). With those additional picks, St. Louis would be giving up 3004 points to move up to #1 (3000).

Well, that's not what I'm offering. If Tennessee is willing to move down to #15, it's because they recognize (like I do) that the best players in this draft are at positions where they don't have a need. In that scenario, I don't believe for a second that Tennessee is going to turn down three first round picks and a second round pick for their pick because of the trade value chart.

If we get outbid, we get outbid. But Tennessee isn't going to reject the trade because of a lack of value. Nor will the media crucify them over only getting three firsts and a second for the #1 pick.

Take a step back from the numbers for a second and think about it. For a team with Taylor Lewan at LT and Derrick Morgan and Brian Orakpo at DE...is Joey Bosa or Laremy Tunsil worth more to you than three first round picks and a second round pick? If yes, you don't trade down. The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th don't change that. If no, you don't reject the deal because of the trade value chart unless you have a better offer.

Those numbers are purely a guideline. At the end of the day, you still only get what the market offers you. Supply and demand. If the market isn't offering you what the trade value chart demands, you get to make the decision...is the offer better than staying here and making the pick? I think there's a strong possibility that it is for Tennessee.

Essentially, I think it takes our entire 2016 draft AND two future number 2s to get the #1 pick. I'm not sure I'd go that far, but I'm open to considering it based on what I see in the pre draft process.

Like I said, not what I'm willing to offer.(you might feel differently) If they get a better offer, so be it. If they want to stay and make the pick, so be it. But I think they have a very tough time turning down three first round picks and a second round pick for Laremy Tunsil or Joey Bosa.

In the end, if that's the best offer they have and it's a better alternative to them than the guy they're going to pick...they'll take the deal. No matter what the trade value chart says. Because that's the best the market is offering.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

There are a few holes that I can try to poke in the theory (to explain my rationale behind why I think it's possible):
Browns - They're picking #2. You have to keep in mind that the Browns aren't going to know the Rams are trading up. The Titans can tell them that but if you're the Browns, do you buy it? You're sitting pretty at #2 and you have the team picking a spot ahead of you asking you to give up a premium pick to move up for a player they aren't going to draft. Plus, there's another part of the scenario I think you're not considering as strongly. If the Titans agree to this deal, it's because they recognize the lack of value at the top of the draft for them. They have a franchise QB. They have a young LT. They have talent at DE. The two best non-QBs are a LT and a DE.(arguably) If they're willing to move down to #15, it's because they don't feel that any of the guys at #1 are must haves. That doesn't change at #2. Which means the Browns will have to offer similar value. I have a hard time seeing the Browns being willing to deal #2 and a future 1st.

Dallas - This one is short and sweet for me. I don't believe Dallas is going to take a QB in the top 5. I also don't think they'd be willing to trade up for a QB. I think they're more likely to grab RGIII or Johnny Manziel.

San Francisco - They could be real competition. It's possible they offer a better package. But I'm not sure they're willing to go to the lengths we are with the rebuilding they're doing. Plus, they might opt not to go away from Kaepernick depending on their next HC. Even if they do, I don't think they'll be willing to toss a RGIII deal at Tennessee for Goff. They have too many needs. They're not close to contending like we are.



I'm kind of surprised at this. I feel like of the three, Boyd is the safest bet to make an impact early on and is the safest bet as a player.



I'd keep Barron if he's cheap enough. But I think he'll likely get a better deal elsewhere.

If I am the GM of the Browns and I see two top QBs that I think are nearly equal, I stand pat and save picks because only one can be taken ahead of me. If I view one as a must have, I try my hardest to move up one spot to ensure that I get him. So, a lot depends on how they see Goff and Lynch in their systems future. If they like one clearly better than the other they have to move up IMO.

If I am the GM of the Tennessee I see an opportunity to cleanup in epic proportions. First trade with the Browns and then, trade again with the Niners or Rams if you know they still want QB number two badly enough.

If I am Snead, and like both Goff and Lynch, I try to trade up for the favorite with Tennessee. If that falls through then I try to get the third or fourth pick to take the second QB ahead of the Niners and maybe Cowboys. However if I see Lynch, Wentz and Cook as very close, I don't need to get ahead of the Niners.

All of this depends on what info is coming in about other teams, if I like a QB(s) enough to give up picks, and how many picks do I need to trade of course. If I see Goff as the best QB to come along since Luck, I make the trade to land a top tier QB. If Not then it all depends defenseon my evaluations. Assuming the Rams get Dephillipo, look how his system and coaching had McCown looking. Sometimes a system can make a QB, a la Marc Bulger or John Kitna.

 

[NJRamsFan]

Wish we could have retained Barron but I get that we cant keep everyone. other then that I LOVE it. PLEASE let our FO recognize how great Goff is

 

[lockdnram21]

Check out @AllbrightNFL's Tweet:
View: https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/685891910209175553?s=09

 

[Athos]

Who the fuck is Benjamin Allbright and why would I listen to him?

 

[DaveFan'51]

Yep, there is a crazy trade for Goff here. Some will hate it, some will like it, some will be okay with it. I think the guy is special. I think he's a QB that can lead us to the Super Bowl in the next 5 years. I'd give up a ton to get him. As always, this is what I'd do if I were in Snead's and Fisher's shoes. Alshon Jeffery was franchised in this mock.

Hire
John DeFilippo OC

It seems like Fisher might be getting it. DeFilippo would be an awesome hire. I really hope the Rams don't interview him and then sit on their hands. They need to get this guy here. His passing schemes with the Browns were awesome and he handled their QBs so well. He's like Gregg Williams in that he adjusts his scheme to fit his personnel and makes the most out of them.

Cut
Jared Cook TE
Chris Long DE
Nick Foles QB
Rodger Saffold OG

Re-sign
Janoris Jenkins - 5 years $55 million (after being franchised)
Trumaine Johnson - 5 years $45 million
Rodney McLeod - 3 years $10.5 million
Greg Zuerlein - 1 year $1 million
Will Hayes - 3 years $9 million
Tim Barnes - 2 years $3 million
Daren Bates - RFA Tender
Benny Cunningham - RFA Tender
Cody Davis - RFA Tender
Case Keenum - RFA Tender
Cory Harkey - 2 years $3 million

I can't take any more of Nick Foles at QB. We don't save much when we cut him but he's just not worth the roster spot. Mark Barron filled in admirably for Ogletree but he doesn't really have a spot once Alec comes back. Cutting Chris Long hurts but it's time. He can't stay healthy and his skills are declining. Britt has played well enough this year to keep as a deep threat imo. We bring Case Keenum back as the backup QB. Zuerlein gets a "prove it" deal.

Free Agency

Olivier Vernon DE - 5 years $50 million

Marvin Jones WR - 4 years $24 million

I know what you guys are thinking, "Jerry, why the heck are we paying so much for a DL?" With Chris Long declining and being cut, I think it would be a smart move for the Rams to consider finding a big time talent to replace him. We have a strength...our DL...that is tough for any team to match-up with. I think we need to continue to play that up. Vernon's sack totals don't tell the entire story. He's a disruptive defender that can get after the QB and defend the run at a high level. With the talent on our DL, he'll be a threat for double digit sacks year in and year out while also being an outstanding run defender. Best part of the deal? He's only 25 years old.

I was a little iffy on Jones because he missed all of 2014 with an injury but he's come back and stayed healthy this year. I watched him against Denver and I was impressed with how he played. He got behind their talented corners a couple times on deep balls but McCarron overthrew him. He made some nice catches on the sidelines and ran good routes. He's not a superstar WR but he offers us a quality #2 WR that can get open deep and make plays on the sidelines.

Trade
Rams trade Round 1 Pick #15, Round 2 Pick #12, 2017 1st, and 2018 1st
Titans trade Round 1 Pick #1

I know that some people will object to giving up this much for one player but I think Goff is worth it. Don't think anyone will be complaining when he makes us a Super Bowl contender. I know what some people are thinking, "Why would the Titans do this?" The simple answer is look at what the Rams did when Fisher came on board. They made the RGIII trade. We desperately needed talent and thought we had our QB so we made a trade that would offer us the talent we needed to build around that QB. The Titans are in the same spot. They believe they have their QB but they need to put talent around him. This trade gives them a chance. Plus, outside of Goff, the top two players in this draft are a DE and an OT. The Titans already have a young LT (Lewan) and two DEs (Morgan and Orakpo). While I don't think they'd have an issue taking Bosa or Tunsil, both guys play positions where they don't have glaring needs. So it helps them out to drop down in the draft, pick up a bunch of premium picks, and add a talented player at a position where they need more help.

NFL Draft
Round 1 Pick #1 - Jared Goff QB California

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxW_bIhc8Dc

Analysis: Yes, I did compare Jared Goff to Peyton Manning. It's impossible to know if Goff has Manning's unbelievable football IQ but in terms of tools and play style, Manning is who he is most similar to. He's the prototypical pocket passer that we're all dreaming of. His Offensive Coordinator was talking earlier this year about how he has no idea what Goff and his WRs are doing on some plays because they've designed a system of hand signals which allows them to change plays and routes...AND HE'S GOT NO PROBLEMS WITH THEM DOING THAT. That's serious trust in a young QB. What does Goff offer? What doesn't he offer is the better question. And the answer to that question is elite arm strength, 4.5 speed, and a 230+ pound frame. What he does offer is an underrated but not elite arm, awesome accuracy, active feet, outstanding pocket presence and movement, poise under pressure, an extremely high football IQ, and great mental processing speed. Basically, this kid is one of the pure best throwers I've evaluated with some of the best pocket presence/movement that I've evaluated, and is not lacking in any way mentally. The only question with him is his offensive scheme and I'm not worried.(although he does have some minor inconsistencies with his lower body mechanics...namely throwing off his back-foot...that can be improved) Last year, I pounded the table for us to trade up for Winston or Mariota. That wasn't possible. Tampa Bay and Tennessee weren't going to let it happen. This year, we have a chance because Tennessee, San Diego, and Dallas all have franchise QBs. We need to trade up and get our guy. If Goff had played in a pro style offense like Manning and Luck, he'd be getting similar hype.
NFL Comparison: Peyton Manning

Round 2 Pick #14 - Tyler Boyd WR Pittsburgh

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSh6yeGjWs8

Analysis: Boyd hasn't been in many of my recent mocks but don't think it's because I've cooled on him at all. I've liked this kid since he was a true freshman. At 6'2" 200 pounds, Boyd is not a burner and doesn't offer dominating size and strength. This leads some to doubt whether he'll separate at the next level. People said the same thing about Keenan Allen and quickly found out that Allen had no trouble separating against NFL CBs. The same will be true of Tyler Boyd. While Boyd does not have elite athleticism or size, he does have outstanding acceleration, quickness, fluidity, and body control. He's also a highly intelligent receiver and a nuanced route runner. He makes crisp cuts, he attacks zone coverage effectively, and he understands how to run his routes in order to position the corner across from him to create separation. Due to his body control and awareness, Boyd works the sideline with veteran precision and does an excellent job of getting proper depth on his routes. Boyd also possesses a great pair of hands which allow him to make tough catches in traffic, go up and get the football in jump ball situations, come down with contested catches, and make acrobatic catches on inaccurate passes. He has the occasional concentration drop but that's not out of the ordinary in young players. In addition to that, Boyd is a very dangerous player with the ball in his hands because he has good vision, isn't afraid of contact, and can cut on a dime. He's a very elusive player. Aside from Boyd lacking dominating size and speed, the biggest weaknesses I see in his game are his inconsistent effort while blocking and his attitude. On film, Boyd comes off as a bit of a diva. He's prone to sulking and visible frustration if the ball isn't coming his way or the QB is making mistakes. But that's a pretty common trait in WRs. He'll need to control his temper and show a more consistent motor in the running game at the NFL level.
NFL Comparison: Keenan Allen

Round 3 Pick #13 - Scooby Wright III ILB/OLB Arizona

View: https://youtu.be/4PUWnNxGqYE

Analysis: According to Arizona, Scooby Wright had 163 tackles, 29 TFLs, 14 sacks, and 6 FFs in 2014 ALONE. Unfortunately for him, he's missed almost this entire season thus far with injuries. This is a kid that doesn't have the NFL look. He's listed at 6'1" 246. I think he'll come in closer to 5'11" 240. But he's a guy that plays with so much passion, relentlessness, and heart that his average athleticism and underwhelming size don't limit his game. He has top tier instincts, great play strength (gym rat), and plays with reckless abandon. Sometimes, that reckless abandon will cause him to miss tackles but it's worth it with how often he's in the back-field making plays. He's Arizona's defensive leader, he is the guy that makes sure everyone is lined up properly, and he's the heart of that defense. They also will move him down to DE on certain passing downs and he's a disruptive, relentless pass rusher. This guy is James Laurinaitis's heir apparent. If Wright isn't available, Tyler Matakevich from Temple and Kentrell Brothers from Missouri are also worth considering. But right now, Wright is being considered a mid round pick due to his lack of measurables and his injury keeping him out all year.
NFL Comparison: Chris Borland

Round 4 Pick #12 - Bryce Williams TE East Carolina

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imwLMD_8MO4

Analysis: Bryce Williams is a former walk-on at East Carolina that has proven himself to be a very intriguing tight end prospect. At 6'6" 260, Williams has NFL size and a frame that still has growth potential. He'll need to get a bit stronger to be able to block in line at the NFL level. However, Williams played FB in the past at East Carolina and is a very willing blocker. His technique needs a lot of refinement but the mechanics are in place and there's no lack of want-to. He actually looked surprisingly good in pass protection when I saw him so there's definitely upside there. As a receiver, he was one of the most productive TEs in college football with 58 catches for 588 yards and 4 TDs this year. Williams displays good agility and burst with solid top-end speed. He's not going to be torching teams up the seam but he has the athleticism to get open in the short to intermediate range. He also is a sure-handed TE that is willing to make catches in traffic, will go up and get the football, and will battle defenders for the ball when it is in the air. He's willing to get physical and use his big body. After the catch, he's got some elusiveness for a big man and doesn't go down without a fight but he's not Rob Gronkowski in terms YAC. Solid overall YAC skills, though. As a rookie, he'll likely see limited snaps. Will need some time to get his blocking up to par and get the pro game down but he should be able to contribute on 3rd downs early on as a reliable target and has potential in the red-zone.
NFL Comparison: Todd Heap

Round 6 Pick #15 - Mike Matthews C Texas A&M

View: https://youtu.be/6osh3LY1VXk

Analysis: Yep, there's another Matthews. Mike isn't blessed with the size that Jake had but he's definitely got the same sort of athleticism and feet that Jake has. Body is a hindrance. Undersized at 6'2" 290ish and he appears to have short arms. My guess is around 32 inches. Wouldn't be surprised if they're shorter than 32. This does cause him some occasional problems. As a pass blocker, he's an absolute rock. He knows when to help, he's an intelligent player that handles stunts and blitzes well, and I didn't notice any issues with bad snaps. In 1-on-1 situations, he consistently shut his man down. Even when his man lands a jarring blow, Matthews is able to drop his butt and widen his base while establishing proper hand positioning and locking on which allows him to stonewall the bullrush after a step or two. When his man tries to knife past him with agility, Matthews shows great footwork and body positioning to slide with the defender, push him up-field, and position his body between the defender and QB at all times. However, Matthews will occasionally duck his head and lunge at defenders because of his arm length and he doesn't have a powerful punch. Often is catching the defender but he's strong and polished in the lower body which allows him to handle this well. As a pass protector, he looks like a quality player and a pro ready guy. As a run blocker, he needs work. Great movement skills, feet, and fluidity which allows him to reach defenders and pull or attack the second level effortlessly. However, he needs to play under control and use angles better on the second level and in the open-field. Too often misses his man because he doesn't position himself well. When blocking 1-on-1 on the LOS, he has enough sand in his pants to get push but he doesn't sustain blocks well. Again, I think the short arms hurt him here and he needs to play with better leverage. As a run blocker, he certainly has upside especially in a zone blocking scheme but will be hit and miss until his OL Coach polishes some technical aspects of his game. Frankly, I'm shocked that NFL teams don't seem to be higher on the guy as I have him as a Day 2/early Day 3 pick but then again, Center is probably my worst position when it comes to evaluations.
NFL Comparison: Jason Kelce

Projected Starters
QB: Jared Goff
HB: Todd Gurley
FB: Cory Harkey
XWR: Kenny Britt
ZWR: Marvin Jones
SLWR: Tavon Austin
TE: Lance Kendricks
LT: Greg Robinson
LG: Jamon Brown
C: Tim Barnes
RG: Garrett Reynolds
RT: Rob Havenstein

LDE: Olivier Vernon
LDT: Michael Brockers
RDT: Aaron Donald
RDE: Robert Quinn
OLB: Alec Ogletree
MLB: James Laurinaitis
OLB: Akeem Ayers
LCB: Trumaine Johnson
RCB: Janoris Jenkins
SLCB: E.J. Gaines
FS: Rodney McLeod
SS: T.J. McDonald

K: Greg Zuerlein
P: Johnny Hekker
LS: Jake McQuaide

My hope is that Mike Matthews, Tyler Boyd, Scooby Wright, and Bryce Williams are ready to contribute during some point in their rookie year. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Boyd pushes Britt early on for a starting job as he's a fairly polished kid coming from a pro style offense. I also wouldn't be surprised if Scooby Wright finds a way onto the field as a rookie because he's a very versatile player that Gregg Williams will likely find a way to make use of him. Mike Matthews will probably need to bulk up and improve his run blocking technique before he's ready to play so he might not be ready to start over Barnes in Year 1. Bryce Williams will need to get stronger and improve his blocking. My expectation is that he'll see the field on passing downs once he gets the offense down but probably won't be a full time starter as a rookie.

I know a lot of you are going to hate the Jared Goff trade and think it's a crazy move but I'm convinced that in 3 years, you'll all recognize that Goff would have been worth it. And in 10 years, none of you would have thought twice about giving up that much for rookie Goff. I am convinced that QB can lead us to a Super Bowl. As a rookie? Nah. That's unrealistic. But in the next 5 years? Yep. I think so. Our defense and rushing attack are there. Give us a legitimate top tier QB and we could have a run of absolute dominance like the Patriots did.

Your right! there are parts of this^ I really hate!! Starting with Trading a boat-load of picks for a QB and Letting CL Go!! JMHO

 

[jjab360]

Check out @AllbrightNFL's Tweet:
View: https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/685891910209175553?s=09

I'd say the most obvious and glaring difference would be the lower body mechanics.

Bradford was basically a statue most of the time who barely had to budge because of an all time great college OL. Goff's feet are consistently pumping, maneuvering around the pocket and navigating pressure.

The second difference would be that Goff seems to go through his progressions faster, Bradford often had tunnel vision and locked onto one receiver even at Oklahoma.

The arm talent is pretty similar, though Bradford probably has a stronger, more accurate arm.

 

[FRO]

A smaller Bradford with better pocket movement and awareness. Where do I sign up?

 

[jjab360]

A smaller Bradford with better pocket movement and awareness. Where do I sign up?

Agreed, a Bradford arm talent with pocket presence that can stay healthy is a damn good prospect, odd that Allbright meant that as some kind of insult

 

[Athos]

A smaller Bradford with better pocket movement and awareness. Where do I sign up?

Agreed. And Goff can still put on weight like Bradford did (hopefully lower body weight).

While Goff doesn't have Bradford's pure arm, I think he throws a better ball. I mean anticipation throws. And yea, Goff moves a lot better than Sam with better pocket awareness.

 

[FRO]

Agreed. And Goff can still put on weight like Bradford did (hopefully lower body weight).

While Goff doesn't have Bradford's pure arm, I think he throws a better ball. I mean anticipation throws. And yea, Goff moves a lot better than Sam with better pocket awareness.

I don't know, Sam delivered a great ball. His problem is he has only had the same offense in back to back seasons once. He was on pace for a monster year that year. It's incredibly difficult to change offenses every year. But year if Goff is Bradford with better pocket movement and awareness, I trade up in a heartbeat for the guy.

 

[nighttrain]

A smaller Bradford with better pocket movement and awareness. Where do I sign up?

some weight room and Goff is 6''2" and 220. A faster more mobile Kurt Warner
train

 

[Stel]

some weight room and Goff is 6''2" and 220. A faster more mobile Kurt Warner
train

Why would Goff get shorter in the weight room?

 

[jrry32]

If I am the GM of the Browns and I see two top QBs that I think are nearly equal, I stand pat and save picks because only one can be taken ahead of me. If I view one as a must have, I try my hardest to move up one spot to ensure that I get him. So, a lot depends on how they see Goff and Lynch in their systems future. If they like one clearly better than the other they have to move up IMO.

Okay but this assumes the Browns have all the information. Gotta keep in mind that they're working off of hearsay and rumor. They don't know if a team is trying to trade up to #1 for sure or if Tennessee is jerking their chain to get them to give up picks when they don't need to move up. Which is why I have a very hard time believing Cleveland will trade up.