Jared Goff 2016

[Bluesy]

I think a lot of guys are underestimating Keenum. I'm not saying he's a world beater but he's a solid option for us. I have a feeling he'll play several games 4-6 and then start struggling as defenses start to figure him out (think Foles last year).

Good QB's can change their game once defenses start to figure them out. Idk if Case has that ability, but I'm pretty confident that Goff doesn't have it either, but I have a good feeling Goff will have it eventually.

We're all excited about Goff but the point of the story is that Keenum is more prepared right now.

 

[OregonRamsFan]

I worry about Goff's durability too. I think they shouldn't rush Goff. Let him watch the game from the sidelines for half the season and then reevaluate him. Injuries have a way of dictating how things go. If we play Goff too early and he gets injured because he gets blind sided, then he could start hearing footsteps in his sleep, a la Bradford. This ain't college ball anymore, after all. The NFL brings it. Especially against us, a team that knocked out many QBs out of the game last year. It could be payback time. We need to get Goff used to the faster game speed of the NFL. Small wrists do make me wonder about durability, they do. I really miss the GSOT. That was a fun era! Just my humble 2 cents worth.

 

[Bluesy]

Another thought on this just go be devil's advocate is why wait until we start doing bad to make a change? You can argue that even if Goff struggles early on over the first part of the season, the light bulb might come on and he might do great over the second half or last three quarters of the season.

What's better, a bad start and a strong finish (Goff starting), or a good start with an average finish (Keenum starting with Goff coming in later)? I guess ideally you find the right point where you bench Keenum even though he isn't sucking and you put Goff in because you know he'll be better.

Man I sure do love wreckless speculation haha.

 

[blackbart]

My question, do you wanna win, like NOW?

Case Keenum, pretty good day right? Any big drops by receiver for his balls? Nope? Look at this...

View: http://www.therams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Five-Takeaways-Preseason-at-Denver/502558e5-05e7-474a-b222-19af6e32606d


Can't win with him doing that....is it all Keenum...IDK...coaches call plays..QB makes them work or changes into better plays....He can't/won't/doesn't do this...Can't do it now, what the hell is he starting for???? He's supposed to be smart too...

Takes a little blocking too. Saffold was getting his ass handed to him.

 

[blackbart]

I do not see the Rams winning with Goff to start the season. Maybe it is because of the reps he's getting and they are not with the 1s. He throws a nice ball most of the time but I haven't seen him have a chance with anything deep or that requires some touch.

I think Keenum looks better than he did last year and he should. He did not have the shuffle off to Houston to deal with and has had the advantage of playing with the 1s. I think he has the ability to play better than he did last year and given the opportunity he will give the Rams a chance to win every week.

I want Goff to develop into an elite NFL QB, I want the Rams to win consistently for the rest of my life. I don't care if it take a year for those begin as long as they are competitive this year. I do not want to throw away another year so Goff can take his lumps and learn how to play in the NFL. I'm tired of waiting and I want it now.

I will support whoever gets the starting QB position. I do not want to come on this board every week and hear "well if xyz had been the QB things would have been different." And I'm pretty damn tired of hearing the complaints about Fisher hampering the team. The players are the ones on the field they are the ones who have to perform.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I would start Goff. He would have good blocking and a good run game. They are very favorable conditions for a young QB learning as he plays. That last pre-season game, Goff had the cards stacked against him. Bad line play, repetitive play calls, and poor receiving play, all made his job very difficult. I think he could pull it off with the starters. The sooner he starts the better.

I think it's pretty clear he won't start at all this year, unless Keenum implodes or gets injured.

Here's a better question IMO...

Say we're 4-4 or 5-3 at mid season. We have a real shot at the playoffs but need strong play in the second half of the season.

But Keenum gets injured.

In that scenario, with that record, do they go with Goff or Mannion? At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if Mannion got the nod. If the Rams are out of it at that point, then you definitely go with Goff. But if the playoffs are in reach, in seems Mannion might be more game-day ready at this point .

Mannion has no pocket presence/awareness at all. He is as statuesque as Foles was in the pocket. I understand why the Rams have passed him over.

 

[Florida_Ram]

you see the offense we plan on running..if Goff can't do that..If we have this guy on the bench, against Frisco, it's a damn shame...anyone can win that game.. @DaveFan'51 could win that game... @BonifayRam could win that game @VeteranRamFan could win that game.... @Florida_Ram maybe could get us a 0-0 tie......... @den-the-coach definitely could win that game... @Tron @Mackeyser @jakebogen95 we have as much chance as Keenum.....
Seriously, you take your stallion, simplify the game plan, lean on Gurley, throw a couple bombs to loosen the box, tell GZ to get ready for a couple 50 yarders...feed Tavon, Britt, Kendricks, and Quick..err, ok ok, too soon, Cooper the rock...we'll be fine...20 points wins week one....

Don't know how I missed this hilarious post from today... I think you need to break it down in more specifics @LACHAMP..

Against the 49ers Monday night as the starting quarterback.....

@DaveFan'51 with a short field could possibly drive the Rams down for a GZ 62 yard field-goal.
@BonifayRam could maybe with the wind at his back throw a wobbly 10 yard duck to Tavon for a first down
@VeteranRamFan could drive the team down inside the 10 but with all short passes under 8 yards
@Florida_Ram could throw up a hail mary with 30 secs left to Spruce for the game winner
@den-the-coach could line up the WR's and call great plays in the huddle from the pressbox
@Tron could run a read option QB keeper for a big gain and get ran down from behind by a 300 lb DT from smoking his cigs
@jakebogen95 could be the holder on the extra point for GZ if his hands are not profusely sweating
@Mackeyser could lead the offense to the redzone but would need to hand off to Gurley or it's a sure redzone INT
@LACHAMP46 could hand the players towels and water refills and pour the bucket of gatorade over Fisher's head after the win :rolllaugh:

 

[Boston Ram]

Krapondick took over because the Rams knocked Smith out and they didn't have a choice.

Yes we talked about this, but Smith was only out 2 or 3 weeks. Smith could of played against the Rams in week 13 I think it was after making 9 or 10 starts.

Point was Kap had only played 2 or 3 weeks and Harbaugh stuck with him instead of going back to Smith.

Your right the injury opened the door but it seemed like they wanted to make the move to Kap for a while but couldn't.

I had forgotten about the injury.

 

[blackbart]

Yes we talked about this, but Smith was only out 2 or 3 weeks. Smith could of played against the Rams in week 13 I think it was after making 9 or 10 starts.

Point was Kap had only played 2 or 3 weeks and Harbaugh stuck with him instead of going back to Smith.

Your right the injury opened the door but it seemed like they wanted to make the move to Kap for a while but couldn't.

I had forgotten about the injury.

I remember it vividly and was really happy that the niners would be depending on an unproven QB for a while. Then when he was able to produce my happiness was short lived. I hate the whiners much more than the shecocks and though I don't root for injuries that is the team I like most to see in a losing streak

 

[jrry32]

If you run Goff with the ones and he's not ready season opener, what did we accomplish?

I'm voting to go with experience and a winning record until Goff proves he's ready. The first 4 games are too difficult and important.

Goff is ready now.

But what did we accomplish? We got Goff valuable reps. Keenum doesn't need the reps. They won't change who he is.

As for the first 4 games being too difficult and important, how does playing Keenum change that? Our offense did next to nothing with him last year. He offered very little in the way of production. And he did that against the weakest part of our schedule. How can we trust him to elevate this team in the first 4 games when he has never shown that ability? We drafted Goff #1 overall for a reason.

 

[SAK11]

I think a lot of guys are underestimating Keenum. I'm not saying he's a world beater but he's a solid option for us. I have a feeling he'll play several games 4-6 and then start struggling as defenses start to figure him out (think Foles last year).

Good QB's can change their game once defenses start to figure them out. Idk if Case has that ability, but I'm pretty confident that Goff doesn't have it either, but I have a good feeling Goff will have it eventually.

We're all excited about Goff but the point of the story is that Keenum is more prepared right now.

There's not much to figure out with Keenum. The game plan will be what it was with him a year ago-hand the ball off a ton, try not to make any back-breaking mistakes, and rely on the defense to shut down the other team/ create turnovers/ win the field position battle. I don't see how Goff can't at least execute that game plan right now, with the possibility of game changing abilities sprinkled in, something that Keenum doesn't offer.

I think some people right now are underselling where Goff is in the process, because of how Fisher has handled him and because he's failed to fully look the part in any preseason game thus far. I think he should start game 1, so for him to not start the entire season would be absolutely ridiculous to me. I think people will want Goff to start much sooner than they're saying right now, unless Keenum is a whole lot better than he's ever shown himself to be.

 

[VeteranRamFan]

Don't know how I missed this hilarious post from today... I think you need to break it down in more specifics @LACHAMP..

Against the 49ers Monday night as the starting quarterback.....

@DaveFan'51 with a short field could possibly drive the Rams down for a GZ 62 yard field-goal.
@BonifayRam could maybe with the wind at his back throw a wobbly 10 yard duck to Tavon for a first down
@VeteranRamFan could drive the team down inside the 10 but with all short passes under 8 yards
@Florida_Ram could throw up a hail mary with 30 secs left to Spruce for the game winner
@den-the-coach could line up the WR's and call great plays in the huddle from the pressbox
@Tron could run a read option QB keeper for a big gain and get ran down from behind by a 300 lb DT from smoking his cigs
@jakebogen95 could be the holder on the extra point for GZ if his hands are not profusely sweating
@Mackeyser could lead the offense to the redzone but would need to hand off to Gurley or it's a sure redzone INT
@LACHAMP46 could hand the players towels and water refills and pour the bucket of gatorade over Fisher's head after the win :rolllaugh:

CLASSIC!!!!

 

[Ramhusker]

I'd start Goff against the Vikes with the ones and let him play the first half. I'd let him hand off to Gurley a few times during that. Evaluate things again after that. I don't think starting Case opening week would be a bad move since we are on the road. Come home week two and start Case again against the Seahags if he wins week one. If it isn't looking good at the half week two, come out with Goff and energize everybody to start the second half.

 

[Merlin]

One interesting note... Of the 4 teams the Rams drew this year in preseason, 3 of them were top 5 elite defenses in points allowed:

Chiefs 3rd in the NFL
Broncos 4th in the NFL (and 1st in postseason)
Vikings 5th in the NFL

Talk about a nice lineup of teams to give the kid a look eh? Here's hoping the Rams are smart enough to have him studying the Vikes and their wiener ass coach's tendencies to attack the A gaps. They're gonna bring the heat and I really hope the kid AND the second string OL and WRs are ready for it.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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as much as it may irk alot of people, as much as we want it, how can goff start the season if he isn't practicing with the starters every snap from now till the 1st game of the season? no game experience with all the starters? fisher has moulded this preseason for case to start game 1.

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[jrry32]

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as much as it may irk alot of people, as much as we want it, how can goff start the season if he isn't practicing with the starters every snap from now till the 1st game of the season? no game experience with all the starters? fisher has moulded this preseason for case to start game 1.

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It shows a lack of foresight on the part of Fisher. But we still have two weeks until we play our Week 1 game. Plenty of time to get Goff in there. Fisher won't because he's Fisher and doesn't learn from the past. But there's absolutely time.

 

[LACHAMP46]

If you run Goff with the ones and he's not ready season opener, what did we accomplish?

Experience gained....it's a start..

 

[blackbart]

Goff is ready now.

But what did we accomplish? We got Goff valuable reps. Keenum doesn't need the reps. They won't change who he is.

As for the first 4 games being too difficult and important, how does playing Keenum change that? Our offense did next to nothing with him last year. He offered very little in the way of production. And he did that against the weakest part of our schedule. How can we trust him to elevate this team in the first 4 games when he has never shown that ability? We drafted Goff #1 overall for a reason.

You keep harping on what Keenum did last year but he is not Keenum of last year he is Keenum of 2016 with more time on the Rams as the starting QB with better players around him than 2015 and other guys who have also been here a full year. There is every reason to think that Keenum has gotten better why is it so hard for you to give him some credit too?

 

[OldSchool]

You keep harping on what Keenum did last year but he is not Keenum of last year he is Keenum of 2016 with more time on the Rams as the starting QB with better players around him than 2015 and other guys who have also been here a full year. There is every reason to think that Keenum has gotten better why is it so hard for you to give him some credit too?

Keenum's limitations from last year are still limitations this year. Namely his arm strength and accuracy. He doesn't throw a good deep ball we've all seen it. If your QB can't threaten a team deep it will severely limit your offense which we saw in these games that he's credited with winning for us last year.

 

[ramsince62]

Is anyone else even mildly concerned about Goff's durability? I'm usually not one to worry about injury stuff, it is a part of the game. But Goff has left 2 of 3 preseason games due to an injury. It's probably him and Fisher being cautious, but he's being taken out in preseason, he's already playing in limited snaps. Could he play a full 16 games?

I am and have been since he was drafted....when I brought it up months ago, responses were less than receptive, one being that his slim build "didn't matter", well it now appears that it does.. He needs to mature and gain that 10 or 15 pounds of muscle as has been mentioned previously. Those who saw him at the pool on Hard Knocks will likely agree. :fuelfire: Yeah, I suppose they're being cautious pulling him, particularly in game 3. In any event, his durability bears watching along with his tendency to fumble.

Many folks have an unrealistic view of this kid IMO. He has talent, that's evident. But what astounds me, is how many seem to forget that neither Goff or Wentz were traditional 1st round top draft pick picks. Both have a lot to learn, unfortunately Fisher's ass is on the line this year to post a winner, extension or no extension.:baghead: