I'm not digging this trade sorry!

[Allen2McVay]

In this scenario, Rams keep Von's $9.7M in cap hit. This puts us over the cap and wouldn't be allowed. So Snead goes back and say "Hey, will throw in a 3rd round draft pick if you cover $9M of Von's salary." It doesn't really matter if that $9M is on our cap or Broncos, but it effectively allows us to go over the cap. It doesn't literally give us $9M in cap, but effectively $9M for one of our players is being paid by the Broncos.

Well, now I am totally confused.

My thought ... and, again, I am very confused right now! ... is that ALL that matters is whether the $9M is on the Rams' cap or Denver's cap.

 

[OldSchool]

Well, now I am totally confused.

My thought ... and, again, I am very confused right now! ... is that ALL that matters is whether the $9M is on the Rams' cap or Denver's cap.

It's on Denvers cap

 

[Allen2McVay]

It's on Denver's cap

Yes, that's what I posted earlier on the prior page about Spotrac.

Just trying to understand the poster's 'it doesn't really matter' comment.

 

[thirteen28]

We all know how great Von is that is not the issue for me.

Short term he will most likely be a plus, but long-term we lose 2 more semi valuable draft picks and to me he is oh the backside of his career I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

We imo should want Howard or Jack you pay for them but we get a solid 4 plus top notch play out of them. How much longer do we keep Von? We need depth always and we are killing what little draft capital we have. I'm d gladly pay for a stud in his prime like Ramsey was. That was Von 6 years ago at age 26 now he is 32 no disrespect i truly wish you the best. Honestly it is not about the picks, it's a the logic behind this deal why. I get short term as I said but what about the future. He is not the future that is why I think it was a bad move.

Commie pinko.

 

[OldSchool]

Yes, that's what I posted earlier on the prior page about Spotrac.

Just trying to understand the poster's 'it doesn't really matter' comment.

Oh my friend you know better to dig into people thoughts

 

[HE WITH HORNS]

If we resign him for a reasonable contract next season, then this is a good trade. If he walks after the season, it's not a great deal, even if we do win the SB.

 

[TheTackle]

If we resign him for a reasonable contract next season, then this is a good trade. If he walks after the season, it's not a great deal, even if we do win the SB.

But if he walks to sign a big contract we get a 3rd round compensation pick, correct? If I had to bet, he will sign a cap friendly deal to stay in LA and play for a contender, in an amazing stadium, in warm weather. Something like 4 years with 3 years guaranteed and a big signing bonus

 

[Jorgeh0605]

Well, now I am totally confused.

My thought ... and, again, I am very confused right now! ... is that ALL that matters is whether the $9M is on the Rams' cap or Denver's

To be clear, it's on Denvers cap. But its accounting magic and the point is, we are living above our means this year.

My point is that it is semantics. Let's say you take me to lunch (cause you're nice), and your wife gave you a budget of $50 to spend on lunch. Let's say the bill came, and because we agreed to get an appetizer it ended up being $55. You only have $50, if you spend more than $50 your wife will get real mad at you. So we can do a little bit of accounting magic:

1st option - I can give you $5. Then you can go pay the bill. Problem though! I give you $5 in cash, and you pay the whole bill on your card. Your wife gets a text notification that you spent $55 dollars. Uh-oh she's mad, even though you only spent $50 of your own money. (This example would be the case if somehow we could buy cap space from Denver, its not possible)

2nd option - You can ask the server to split the bill, you pay $50, and I'll pay $5. Your wife will get the text notification for $50 and nobody is mad. (This is what happened with Denver and Von Miller trade)

The original point is just, Option 2 is effectively like Option 1. At the end of the day, you had a $55 dollar lunch and you only had to pay $50 dollars. That's it, that was the point. Talk on actual cap implications were outside of that original point

 

[Jorgeh0605]

But if he walks to sign a big contract we get a 3rd round compensation pick, correct? If I had to bet, he will sign a cap friendly deal to stay in LA and play for a contender, in an amazing stadium, in warm weather. Something like 4 years with 3 years guaranteed and a big signing bonus

No I heard the max comp pick would be a 5th round comp pick for Miller because of how long he's been in the league.

 

[TheTackle]

No I heard the max comp pick would be a 5th round comp pick for Miller because of how long he's been in the league.

You are right I just read the same! Having done some digging D Robinson is toast after this season or else we cannot afford Miller

 

[madrid311]

We all know how great Von is that is not the issue for me.

Short term he will most likely be a plus, but long-term we lose 2 more semi valuable draft picks and to me he is oh the backside of his career I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

We imo should want Howard or Jack you pay for them but we get a solid 4 plus top notch play out of them. How much longer do we keep Von? We need depth always and we are killing what little draft capital we have. I'm d gladly pay for a stud in his prime like Ramsey was. That was Von 6 years ago at age 26 now he is 32 no disrespect i truly wish you the best. Honestly it is not about the picks, it's a the logic behind this deal why. I get short term as I said but what about the future. He is not the future that is why I think it was a bad move.

You can be wrong, it's OK.

 

[Merlin]

If we resign him for a reasonable contract next season, then this is a good trade. If he walks after the season, it's not a great deal, even if we do win the SB.

That's your take and I get it just like I get the similar takes with all the previous moves they've made that supposedly sold out our future. In fact I've said the same and been wrong which is part of the reason I'm done second guessing shit like this.

Where I'm sitting now I don't see things as being that black and white. Rams have missed on plenty of picks and trades and always seem to bounce back even when the player disappoints. They just keep winning. Some feel like the Stafford trade is a bust if we don't get a Super Bowl this year which like your take above is fair. The Rams agree too btw, and have said as much, but I don't.

For me giving up more picks in next year's draft to take a shot is worth it simply to have a better shot at winning it all. Just like it was worth it to bring Marcus Peters' sorry ass in here, they took a shot and missed and I'm fine with it even in hindsight because at least they had the balls to go for it. I'm all in with them let's fuckin go.

 

[Giles]

My only problem with the trade is that we keep giving up premium pick when the players we do pick with those premiums are missing the season (akers/Atwell). I get going all in when your generational players are in there prime but what's gonna happen when they retire? I'm not looking forward to that.

 

[HE WITH HORNS]

But if he walks to sign a big contract we get a 3rd round compensation pick, correct? If I had to bet, he will sign a cap friendly deal to stay in LA and play for a contender, in an amazing stadium, in warm weather. Something like 4 years with 3 years guaranteed and a big signing bonus

As other people are saying, we will only get a 5th round pick because of his veteran status or something. But we really do need to resign him either way.

 

[Allen2McVay]

To be clear, it's on Denvers cap. But its accounting magic and the point is, we are living above our means this year.

My point is that it is semantics. Let's say you take me to lunch (cause you're nice), and your wife gave you a budget of $50 to spend on lunch. Let's say the bill came, and because we agreed to get an appetizer it ended up being $55. You only have $50, if you spend more than $50 your wife will get real mad at you. So we can do a little bit of accounting magic:

1st option - I can give you $5. Then you can go pay the bill. Problem though! I give you $5 in cash, and you pay the whole bill on your card. Your wife gets a text notification that you spent $55 dollars. Uh-oh she's mad, even though you only spent $50 of your own money. (This example would be the case if somehow we could buy cap space from Denver, its not possible)

2nd option - You can ask the server to split the bill, you pay $50, and I'll pay $5. Your wife will get the text notification for $50 and nobody is mad. (This is what happened with Denver and Von Miller trade)

The original point is just, Option 2 is effectively like Option 1. At the end of the day, you had a $55 dollar lunch and you only had to pay $50 dollars. That's it, that was the point. Talk on actual cap implications were outside of that original point

That's not the point!

The point is ... When have you ever asked me to lunch and picked-up the bill!!!

 

[ljramsfan]

 

[majrleaged]

My only problem with the trade is that we keep giving up premium pick when the players we do pick with those premiums are missing the season (akers/Atwell). I get going all in when your generational players are in there prime but what's gonna happen when they retire? I'm not looking forward to that.

Be in the present Grasshopper. Besides, I am sure they have a plan for then. You really don't have to worry so much about stuff out of your control.

 

[snackdaddy]

I get why this philosophy makes people anxious. The Rams are going against the traditional grain of building through the draft. Acquiring as much draft capital as you can. It makes people nervous when they venture into uncharted territory. People are afraid of change.

The way I look at it. We're going on 5 straight winning seasons. We look to be set up for at least a few more. If we win a Superbowl or two with say, 7 or 8 straight winning seasons and a lot of playoff games, I don't care if the window closes for a couple years. They're giving us something we haven't had in a long time.

The Lakers have always taken that strategy of giving up future picks to land superstars. They have 17 championships. 11 since 1980. I'd love to see the Rams come close to that.

 

[SuperMan28]

It's the price of a Lombardi.

 

[Mojo Ram]

If we resign him for a reasonable contract next season, then this is a good trade. If he walks after the season, it's not a great deal, even if we do win the SB.

Wow. To each their own, but I don't agree with this AT ALL. It's not like we're the Patriots or Steelers or even dare i say the Niners or Cowboys or Packers with substantial trophy cases.

It's just a couple picks and a very good older player on an expiring deal. Give the fans a Lombardi.