Hole at WR is a problem

[brucebruce]

My biggest Tutu question mark is, why didn't he change his number to 22?

 

[NorthernRam]

Who reads posts of more than two sentences? Four if concise.

Apparently you do, or at least you should

 

[RamFan503]

You missed the point. Kupp was blanketed in the final four games. So was Robinson. Someone here is claiming Tutu is this great underused man beater. Like my other reply to you. There’s no use in anyone declaring Tutu as some player who coaches misused and is way better than he’s shown, until he proves it. Jourdan said the plan is for Tutu to stretch the field. Let’s see how he does before crowning him for getting a one year deal.

I’m good with a proof is in the pudding approach from fans. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Ellard80]

I never pay attention to coach speak. That could be a tactic to build Tutu’s confidence. He’s said positive things about Noteboom and Brian Allen in the past. He praised Coleman Shelton then didn’t bother to sign him. He was praising Troy Reeder last year.

What do you expect a coach to say when discussing players? McVay wisely keeps the constructive criticism in house.

look at the separation chart that was shared - tutu had a great rate.

Tutu is solid - the thing he lacks the most is that he isn't a great RAC guy.

 

[RamFan503]

So if you want to disagree cool.

I do. So I guess I’m cool. Thanks.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

look at the separation chart that was shared - tutu had a great rate.

Tutu is solid - the thing he lacks the most is that he isn't a great RAC guy.

And he isn’t very physical at the catch point, goes down easily and gets pushed around near the line.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

What does starting have to do with it? It's good that you bring up Jefferson, because considering Van played like 90% of the snaps when he had his best year with us, Tutu's season last year was better than any year Jefferson has had. He just didn't get the snaps. But on a per snap basis, I am pretty sure Tutu was better. And that is my point

Well, Jefferson wasn’t really good. Being better than a bad player doesn’t make him great, does it?

Look at the end of the regular season. They needed receiving help. Stafford needed help. Demarcus and Kupp struggled in man coverage. Why wasn’t Tutu put in in those games if he’s so good at getting free releases and separating in man coverage? They needed someone to step up and it never occurred to the coaches or Stafford that they had this amazing weapon standing on the sideline?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Sure, it's one year to see how things work but it would be zero years if they didn't believe that there is potential in his skillset that remains to be unlocked.

Why not pay the $10m to DRob or Tyler? DRob is begging to come back. Nothing, including continuity with someone knowing the offense, forced them to pay Tutu specifically.

It’s a prove it deal. A one year prove it deal.

Demarcus was not playing well at the end of the season just like Kupp. He and Kupp were great against zone, but they saw a lot of man coverage through the last four games and McVay knew that would continue if he rolled out the same crew this year. But like I said, they couldn’t let everyone walk. So they keep the guy with the most speed and youth.

Just remember this. They signed Troy Reeder to a one year deal last year. Was it because they thought he was some missing link that could fix the defense?

 

[RamBradford85]

Tutu needs to be schemed open. When he gets bumped at the line it ruins his timing. He gets pushed around too easily. We’ve all seen it. He’s also not good at contested catches.

Was he productive when he played? He had a few good games, particularly against the 49ers and the Bears, but he was still viewed as the fourth best option. It’s not like they had no need for a good receiver, especially late in the season. When teams started to play man against the Rams and they bumped Kupp to the third option they still left Atwell in the four hole. He’s not a man beater.

Signing Tutu was a security signing. They couldn’t let Robinson and Kupp both walk without keeping a few players experienced in the offense. That’s why it was $10 million…..for one year. They are not committing to him for 3-4 more years. You read too much into it.

If u put him in kupps role of being the roll man he will produce … they wasn’t benching kupp… one of

And as you have pointed out, coaches/GMs are not infallible.

It made zero sense having Robinson play over Tutu down the stretch last year. I gave McVay the benefit of the doubt thinking surely its an off the field thing. I can't even say run blocking, because Robinson didn't do that.

The only thing that makes sense is that Adams is taking Robinson's role, and Tutu is taking Kupp. From that vantage, of course Tutu wasn't going to start over Kupp.

But he did play pretty well last year. There are numbers to back that up like yards per route run.

tutu wasn’t as effective as the x compared to the slot him being roll man helps him kupp was in his way …. But at the same time if u feel somebody can help more shouldnt the coach have set kupp down more and gave him more reps and tbh they wasn’t really throwing it to kupp down the stretch

 

[RamFan503]

So put @Elmgrovegnome in the TuTu bad column. Got it.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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If wr was a woman in a x rated video, 3 guys would be penetrating her at the same time.

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[FrantikRam]

Well, Jefferson wasn’t really good. Being better than a bad player doesn’t make him great, does it?

Look at the end of the regular season. They needed receiving help. Stafford needed help. Demarcus and Kupp struggled in man coverage. Why wasn’t Tutu put in in those games if he’s so good at getting free releases and separating in man coverage? They needed someone to step up and it never occurred to the coaches or Stafford that they had this amazing weapon standing on the sideline?

Man, again....y'all are conflating things. Who said he was an "amazing weapon"?

Nowhere did I say that. I think in today's NFL, he is worth the contract he got. He showed some promise last year.

And yes, I think playing Robinson over him was a mistake. I felt it at the time as well. The reasoning could very well be that he couldn't play the position Robinson did, which is fine - but let's stop ignoring that Tutu showed some promise last year and that young players don't get paid well in FA

 

[dang]

I'm confused. $11 million (actually 10) is too much, yet it is not enough to mean he could be an important piece. It seems to me that he signed a pretty typical post-rookie prove it deal for a 3rd receiver. The idea that no one was offering $20 million is kind of an odd argument. He may very well have been looking at $10 million from other teams. He NO DOUBT was in talks with McVay and Sean probably painted a picture of his proposed new role with the team. In a way, this may be a prove it deal for both sides. If he proves out, he is worth more. If the Rams plans (guessing there's a new plan for him) prove out, he will not only be worth more, but he will enjoy his time more, and the Rams would likely be inclined to pay him more to stay or we would get a decent comp pick.

Tutu is “a” tool in the toolbox. He is not “the” toolbox. He’s not a hammer. He’s not a saw. But he could be a very valuable Phillips head screwdriver. You can’t get through many DIY projects with “just” a Phillips head but it sure comes in handy for many. Let him be a Phillips head and your DIY projects will benefit.

 

[Ram Ts]

Some people can’t get over draft day. Evolve.

 

[dang]

Some people can’t get over draft day. Evolve.

Agree. Whether TuTu was a R1 pick or a UDFA just doesn’t matter at this point. It’s down to whether he can contribute as a top 3/4/5 WR on the Rams at a level of success in line with his compensation. If he can he’s got a spot. If he can’t he’s a goner. Rams are giving him a “one year prove it contract” not because they want to be generous to him but because they are willing to bet that he can.

 

[DzRams]

It’s a prove it deal. A one year prove it deal.

Demarcus was not playing well at the end of the season just like Kupp. He and Kupp were great against zone, but they saw a lot of man coverage through the last four games and McVay knew that would continue if he rolled out the same crew this year. But like I said, they couldn’t let everyone walk. So they keep the guy with the most speed and youth.

Just remember this. They signed Troy Reeder to a one year deal last year. Was it because they thought he was some missing link that could fix the defense?

They paid Reeder $1.1m. They could've signed Tyler Johnson to something in the $1m range if all they wanted was continuity. Instead they choose to sign Tutu to a contract 10 times that amount. That's significant.

You're right that the one year deal means something. But the $10m amount also means something and you're discounting that.

Also, at no point did any Rams coach talk up Reeder's skillset, say he was underutilized, while giving him a lot of money. No. They signed him to the minimum very quietly. That's what you do when you just want a body.

 

[WestCoastRam]

Who reads posts of more than two sentences? Four if concise.

This is the way. Too much information rots the brain. I find that my mind glazes over with too many words. Didn't Ben Franklin apologize for not making a letter shorter?

Who's this jackass poster.

 

[NorthernRam]

This is the way. Too much information rots the brain. I find that my mind glazes over with too many words. Didn't Ben Franklin apologize for not making a letter shorter?

Who's this jackass poster.

If your mind glazes over when presented with information, the problem may be your mind.

Perhaps you should respond to the information presented, otherwise I'm not sure how you get through a book.

 

[ljramsfan]

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If wr was a woman in a x rated video, 3 guys would be penetrating her at the same time.

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[Faceplant]

. But on a per snap basis, I am pretty sure Tutu was better. And that is my point

I would imagine Tutu is exponentially better per snap. That's just a guess tho. Van has absolutely zero dog in him, and it showed all over the field.