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[drasconis]

This could be a pretty desirable landing spot. A great defense in place, young oline with plenty of upside and a great young RB. What OC wouldn't take the gig, especially if upper management told them the gig would be their's after a year?

Let's face it, rumors of a possible move still persist, and we keep hearing about how Fish would make such a great buffer having been through it before. Let him take the heat the year of the move, and you already have your heir apparent in place.

Just spit balling really, but is it so far fetched that a wink and a nod agreement might be in place?

But that is the issue, how would management shove out JF if it goes well. JF certainly isn't going to agree to stick around to teach his replacement, and without something in writing no OC of that level is going to give up what will be offered to them. The rams can't be held to a wink and nod agreement, and if goes south, well then that OC is just stuck.

 

[jrry32]

What about Les Miles? LSU is letting him go and he's won a couple championships.

I've never gotten the feeling that Les Miles is a brilliant Xs and Os coach. I'm pretty picky when it comes to college coaches. The only college coach that stands out to me as a guy I think can make the jump successfully is David Shaw from Stanford.(I'm not counting guys like Harbaugh, Dantonio, Ferentz, etc. that I don't see heading to the NFL [or back to the NFL in Harbaugh's case])

The reasons why David Shaw stand out to me are that he runs a pro style scheme on both sides of the ball. He came up in the NFL under John Gruden and Brian Billick while working with people like Rex Ryan, Mike Nolan, Asshole Face, Ray Rhodes, Bill Callahan, Joe Vitt, Mike Singletary, Mike Pettine, and Jim Fassel. He played in college under Bill Walsh and Dennis Green.

I think one of the most important things for a NFL Head Coach is their network. You have to be able to build a great coaching staff. That's one thing Fisher has mainly done well. Shaw has a lot of people he can call on to help him build his staff. But it's worth noting that I would not hire him if during the interview, he essentially wanted to bring his entire college staff with him.

But yea, I think David Shaw makes a lot of sense as a guy that can make the jump successfully like Harbaugh did. Beyond him, I'm just not sure about anyone. I don't like betting on coaches that don't run pro style systems unless they look like truly special HCs in college.(in terms of Xs and Os and coaching ability...not just recruiting)

 

[FRO]

I've never gotten the feeling that Les Miles is a brilliant Xs and Os coach. I'm pretty picky when it comes to college coaches. The only college coach that stands out to me as a guy I think can make the jump successfully is David Shaw from Stanford.(I'm not counting guys like Harbaugh, Dantonio, Ferentz, etc. that I don't see heading to the NFL [or back to the NFL in Harbaugh's case])

The reasons why David Shaw stand out to me are that he runs a pro style scheme on both sides of the ball. He came up in the NFL under John Gruden and Brian Billick while working with people like Rex Ryan, Mike Nolan, Asshole Face, Ray Rhodes, Bill Callahan, Joe Vitt, Mike Singletary, Mike Pettine, and Jim Fassel. He played in college under Bill Walsh and Dennis Green.

I think one of the most important things for a NFL Head Coach is their network. You have to be able to build a great coaching staff. That's one thing Fisher has mainly done well. Shaw has a lot of people he can call on to help him build his staff. But it's worth noting that I would not hire him if during the interview, he essentially wanted to bring his entire college staff with him.

But yea, I think David Shaw makes a lot of sense as a guy that can make the jump successfully like Harbaugh did. Beyond him, I'm just not sure about anyone. I don't like betting on coaches that don't run pro style systems unless they look like truly special HCs in college.(in terms of Xs and Os and coaching ability...not just recruiting)

Miles is an outstanding recruiter. He isn't the best in game coach though. I would love if Mizzou got him.

What's intriguing about Shaw is that he loves running the football and our best offensive player is our RB. He comes across as very level headed too. I'm impressed by him every year when he is on the Network during the draft coverage. I would interview he, Gase, and Jackson. I like the fact Shaw and Jackson have HC experience, but I really like how Gase got Cutler to play his best football of maybe his career. I really like the coaching options. That being said I don't think they fire Fisher.

 

[den-the-coach]

What about Les Miles? LSU is letting him go and he's won a couple championships.

I've never been a fan of Miles, however, he's had great success at Oklahoma State and LSU and IMO will be on the short list in Miami if they don't keep Dan Campbell. I just never understood Les's philosophy especially offensively because that side of the ball is the reason they are escorted him out of LSU and courting Jimbo Fisher of Florida State.

Just like with the Rams people get tired of run, run, pass, punt. Ironically over the years the Rams have had some great defenses with the Fearsome Foursome, the Youngblood Years and this unit of late, however, the two titles the Rams have won was with great offenses.

In 1951 the Rams had the flying dutchman in Norm Van Brocklin & Bob Waterfield and in 1999 the beginning of the greatest show on turf. So if you study history the Rams need to be better offensively and unless Fisher makes some major changes on the offensive side of the ball, it's not happening under his watch.

So Les Miles? IMO, good coach, but wrong formula for the Rams IMHO.

 

[den-the-coach]

But yea, I think David Shaw makes a lot of sense as a guy that can make the jump successfully like Harbaugh did. Beyond him, I'm just not sure about anyone. I don't like betting on coaches that don't run pro style systems unless they look like truly special HCs in college.(in terms of Xs and Os and coaching ability...not just recruiting)

I agree on Shaw, but not sure he wants to make the jump. Seems every year he's talked about, but seems to love Standford and might end up being to Standord what Kirk Ferentz has been to Iowa. It wasn't too long ago that many felt Ferentz would be the guy to jump to the NFL because of his background (former Steeler assistant) and philosophy as well (smash mouth football).

However, Ferentz loved Iowa and has carved out a nice niche there for himself and his son as well and has stayed despite overtures from the NFL years ago. IMO David Shaw seems similar, every year he's on everyone's short list to the NFL and every year he's firmly trenched in Palo Alto and can't say I blame him because Stanford is one heck of an institution and you have the best weather in the U.S. because as the saying goes..."You can't shovel sunshine."

 

[Bradmac41]

But that is the issue, how would management shove out JF if it goes well. JF certainly isn't going to agree to stick around to teach his replacement, and without something in writing no OC of that level is going to give up what will be offered to them. The rams can't be held to a wink and nod agreement, and if goes south, well then that OC is just stuck.

Jeff Fisher may be the most overrated coach in football. Everyone seems to be so high on him, but 11 losing seasons out of 18? And soon to be 12 of 19. Doesn't exactly smack of the H.O.F.

 

[den-the-coach]

Okay it's time for me to bring another name and right now I feel like Adlai Stevenson during the Cuban Missile Crisis somebody has to bring this guy's name up and I guess I will be the one to do it although it most likely with be meant with great disdain.

Josh McDaniels, that's right Mighty Mouse himself and anyone from the Belichick tree has been a disaster as a Head Coach thus far(Bill O'Brien the exception), but the jury is still out. McDaniels had far too much power and his first gig so to ensure that did not happen again I would make sure the GM had the power from the draft standpoint so McDaniels might be a good match with Snead and before everyone goes bonkers there some pluses to the man that seems to suffer from a Napoleon Complex.

X's and O's not X's and Ho's...McDaniels can coach an offense and although he could not put it together in St. Louis and has had no success away from Tom Brady he's admitted his gaffes in Denver, so IMO, he understands he has to put together an excellent coaching staff and be less dictatorial.

At Denver the defense was a disgrace and that's why I feel McDaniels would be very open to keeping Gregg Williams. Under Belichick he understands to use everything available to win football games so the fact that Williams is one hell of a DC should keep him in place with a McDaniels hire and maybe others like DL Coach Mike Wauffle and Special Teams Coach John Fassel.

Overall he was 11-17 in Denver Belichick was 36-44 in Cleveland granted the relocation to Baltimore did derail Belichick's last year in Cleveland, but other coaches have gotten other opportunities with worst records.

Again just throwing it out there because I'm sure getting tired of watching the Patriots win all the time and their coaching staff staying in tact although like most I agree it's all Belichick with a little help from his friends and the officials as always.

 

[Ram Pat]

I told my kids when Arians was COY for IND they were letting wrong coach walk, also wanted Fox this past year. Both have strong hand and exp. Gase has off mind but we don't know if he has command . I think McDaniel would be big mistake... no stature, alot like spags

 

[PA Ram]

Okay--I don't believe Fisher is going anywhere. I think he's pretty secure--for sure to finish out next year and maybe even after that, we'll see.

But I would bring in Brian Billick if he's interested.

He's a Superbowl winner who knows a thing or two about offense(set a record in Minnesota when he was the OC). And he won the Superbowl with a great defense and Trent Frigging Dilfer! They also had a great running game with Lewis. In other words--the team was similar to what the Rams have now. I grant you they don't have Ogden on the line but I bet he'd build a line or solve some of the ongoing problems.

I think he would be a good fit for the team and situation.

I don't know if he has any interest in returning so who knows.

So I'd take a good look at Billick.

But as I said--don't hold your breath. Fisher isn't going anywhere.

 

[-X-]

Jim Bob Cooter.
Because Jim Bob.

And of course, Cooter.

 

[Stranger]

however, the two titles the Rams have won was with great offenses.

It drives me crazy that so many have seemed to forgotten this.

 

[den-the-coach]

Well, that guy retired. His name was Dante Scarnecchia and he was the offensive line coach from 1999-2013 and had been with them previous too. He only coached the Colts from 89-90, but had been with the Patriots since coming to the NFL from SMU in 1982. Served in different capacities, but was mostly overseeing the offensive line and a renown assistant to post the least.

The current offensive line coach is Dave DeGuglielmo 2015 is his second season as he had stints with the Giants, Dolphins & Jets before replacing one of the best offensive line coaches in the game in Scarnecchia.

 

[den-the-coach]

It drives me crazy that so many have seemed to forgotten this.

They have not forgotten some just don't study history like you and I. At work I do many presentations and I will make many historical references and I always enjoy one of the youngsters who will state "Well, that was a little before my time." And I always respond with "Well, the civil war was a tad before my time as well, but I can still converse intelligently about it."

 

[den-the-coach]

Well, IMO, that decision is Belichick's. He has total autonomy with personnel decisions. In fact, ESK followed the paradigm that Robert Kraft put in place once he hired Belichick. Unfortunately for the
Rams Fisher is not on the same level as Belichick.

 

[den-the-coach]

Well, I concur. Still can stand the Patriots, but if Belichick had guided my beloved Rams to four Super Bowl titles, well, frankly my dear I would not give a damn.

 

[Stranger]

They have not forgotten some just don't study history like you and I.

Well, in this particular instance, I actually witnessed most of those championships live, so no real study was needed