Havrisik Keep him or Dump him?

[den-the-coach]

Now I realize that McVay has to so confidence in Havrisik, but the kid has a natural slice with every kick. Seems every kick his foot angles to the right, similar to hitting your golf club open face, which makes your ball fade right. Again I realize he is young and has a big leg, but after they signed Matt Gay, you could tell Gay was going to be good, whereas Havrisik was inconsistent in college and it has carried over to the NFL.

Amazing how you have one coach that sticks with his kicker in McVay and the Lions Head Coach Dan Campbell after his kicker missed two extra points went in another direction. Again some will communicate, that there is not a better alternative out there, but to this point, I look at a few others because you never know.

 

[0311rams]

I always root for the underdog, obviously being a ram fan since 68, lol. but I like the kid and if coach sees something in him to hold out this long especially realizing there is no GreenGrass on the other side at this time of year I'm all in. think how excited we will be when he kicks a great game Thursday. think how fun it will be to vent when he costs us the game? go rams. go Havarisk.

 

[Merlin]

Seems like they're gonna give him this week's game to get his shit straight. If he is poor though I don't know what the option is. Maybe do the PS thing again with another roster castoff idk. So at this point I'm gonna do like the Rams staff and hope he has a good game.

 

[den-the-coach]

Seems like they're gonna give him this week's game to get his shit straight. If he is poor though I don't know what the option is. Maybe do the PS thing again with another roster castoff idk. So at this point I'm gonna do like the Rams staff and hope he has a good game.

I think they should look at Matthew Wright. He has the best stats of the kicker’s left & he is one of the kickers they worked out back in October.

 

[Pupped]

Seems like they're gonna give him this week's game to get his shit straight. If he is poor though I don't know what the option is. Maybe do the PS thing again with another roster castoff idk. So at this point I'm gonna do like the Rams staff and hope he has a good game.

Makes sense.
Gives them 10 days... let's just hope a miss or two by him aren't the difference in this week's game.

 

[den-the-coach]

Makes sense.
Gives them 10 days... let's just hope a miss or two by him aren't the difference in this week's game.

You have been one of his strongest supporters, are you starting to have doubts?

 

[Pupped]

You have been one of his strongest supporters, are you starting to have doubts?

I’m really not a supporter of him, per se.
I support the concept and process.

If they’re right, they get a dirt-cheap kicker on next year’s roster. That’s a big deal for roster construction, imo.

But, if he’s shit this week? And I mean a mess like Sunday.. then they probably move on.

 

[snackdaddy]

By now options are limited. I'd be in the dump him crowd but I don't think that will happen. I'm thinking they have to stick with him and hope it doesn't cost a crucial game. Anything over 50 yards they should go for it or punt. The odds of giving the other team good field position after a miss are high.

 

[GoodBadUgly]

I voted for the "dump him, it's just not worth the risk" option, but was a bit on the fence given the upside.

But after giving it some thought, I realized I'm at home watching the game(s). McVay (although highly compensated), has to live through these decisions and I think his only sane move is to cut bait.

It's a risk/reward decision, and you can't just use his horrible statistics to decide. Even the ones he makes, with few exceptions, seem to barely make it and I feel the entire team take a huge sigh of relief. He also has no history of once being consistent. His resume reflects pretty much what we're seeing.

So in this scenario, there are two outcomes.

1. He somehow becomes consistent (something he's never shown at any level). Most will conclude McVay just got lucky since there is no data to support keeping him,
2. He keeps on being what he is, and McVay looks like a fool and potentially costs his team the playoffs.

To me, if I'm the coach, it's a no-brainer.

 

[So Ram]

I voted for the "dump him, it's just not worth the risk" option, but was a bit on the fence given the upside.

But after giving it some thought, I realized I'm at home watching the game(s). McVay (although highly compensated), has to live through these decisions and I think his only sane move is to cut bait.

It's a risk/reward decision, and you can't just use his horrible statistics to decide. Even the ones he makes, with few exceptions, seem to barely make it and I feel the entire team take a huge sigh of relief. He also has no history of once being consistent. His resume reflects pretty much what we're seeing.

So in this scenario, there are two outcomes.

1. He somehow becomes consistent (something he's never shown at any level). Most will conclude McVay just got lucky since there is no data to support keeping him,
2. He keeps on being what he is, and McVay looks like a fool and potentially costs his team the playoffs.

To me, if I'm the coach, it's a no-brainer.

WELP ? I guess it’s number 2 until it’s not.He is going with him & just says within 45 he has to be consistent. —How it plays out is everyone’s guess.

My hope is Mcvay is right

 

[RamFan503]

You have been one of his strongest supporters, are you starting to have doubts?

I realize @Kupped can speak for himself but it seems he's only been saying the same thing as a lot of us. I think all of us would love to see a better option - someone who will nail virtually every kick right down the middle.

You mention Wright. But you also acknowledge that the Rams have worked him out fairly recently. So does that mean they already know what he has to offer? Does it mean they don't see the upgrade there? If we try to stash Havrisik on the PS and this option doesn't work out, did we just further destroy his confidence so that he truly is useless to us?

Is there an upgrade really out there? The fact is that none of us really know. And doing something just to do something... is that the answer? Do we want a coach that sticks his finger in the air? Do we really think he's just being stubborn or trying to prove he's the smartest guy in the room? Or do we think he's making decisions based on what he thinks is in the best interest of the club? I'm going with the last one there.

 

[AvengerRam]

Go for every 4th and short in enemy territory and 2 points on every TD?

 

[0311rams]

if we don't win the Superbowl or playoff game or 0 games from now forward it won't all be haverisks fault. just sayin. go rams.

 

[Pupped]

I just think the idea they’ve “ignored” the situation is silly.

They’ve been through, what, 5 kickers this season cycle?

 

[Merlin]

This feels like the bead exercise in the old TQL course they taught the military back in the late 80s. It was at the beginning of the era where we were tired of getting our shit pushed in by Japanese manufacturing excellence so we adopted their focus on system rather than results. The bead exercise had a bag of beads with a couple different colors and you would put an egg carton looking thing in the bag to draw ten or whatever and then count how many red beads (defects) you'd get. Then you'd get browbeaten about not making the cut when you had a bad draw and all that. It was to push home how some orgs had a system set up to create unrealistic expectations and would then operate off of them to include axeing execs due to poor results.

Truth is it's not realistic to cycle through castoff kickers and expect top results. Basic idea here by the Rams is to try to grow a kicker in Havrisik. It's not ideal but it's where we're at and probably not much more to be done about it until the postseason. Guessing we're gonna draft one late next spring.

 

[JYB]

Frankly, I'd feel a lot more comfortable with Maher at this point. At least his misses are in the neighborhood.

 

[OldSchool]

In games we've lost he's missed 1 FG. I thought it was a lot more but his misses are in wins.

 

[Ellard80]

It's not just the misses... his makes are shaky as fuck.

FG where he can set up in the middle - he seems to do the best.

 

[Classic Rams]

What's the potential I keep hearing about? Dude is erratic, scary, misses 40 yarders and is not accurate. I don't see any potential.

 

[RamFanWA]

In games we've lost he's missed 1 FG. I thought it was a lot more but his misses are in wins.

Lets keep him blind to the score - and tell him we are ahead and don't need his points
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