Evans: not a change in thought, but more reality

[So Ram]

not "cant"....yes he can, but not 15-20 times a game with no help on a 7 step drop when Goff isn't rolling.

Goff had a 7 step drop 4-5 against Settle ---without a TE/RB helping Evans at all.
Evans was supported by McVay in every way, like most any rookie should have been

Like I said I do not agree with. Your assessment on Evans !!

Your the 1 to say he can’t ?? It till it is proven other wise I think he can !!

what are you grading this on ?? Your view of watching him play & your thinking ??

Support ?? What about Whitworth being covered up at the same time ?? Have you ever heard of the other Bobby ?? Wagner is one of the best MLB’s in the game. Clowney was the #1 pick in the NFL !! The Seahags know The Rams well & always have excellent DB’s. I think it was good play calling & I like the fact Mcvay opened up his offense more. I’d rather more Robert Woods running routes than blocking .
Copper Kupp being healthy with less reps.
Cook not running to many reps coming off head injuries. Establishing Reynolds in jet sweeps to add to the Wr’s being able to do multiple plays.

 

[Zaphod]

You might be able to sell AW #77 on one more season with the reason being the Joseph Noteboom situation. AW might be offered the ideal of expecting to play for the first half of the season. That the Ram Org. would have LT prospects in place for Training Camp & Preseason working as AW's back up going into the initial part of the 2020 season. Noteboom would not figure anywhere in this early picture until after the bye.

AW might be open for this to help the Ram's Org & help Joseph Noteboom (who he has been working with closely last season & early this season). From what I have read & seen they are close. Otherwise, the Rams will be forced to go into the draft leaning heavy on finding a lT with very early starting skills & abilities which might prevent Noteboom from ever securing a Ram LT post following AW's departure.

It will difficult to find the salary cap funds $$$ to get AW to reconsider giving up another year of his life on his well-worn near 40 yr old body.

Whitworth is 38 though, right?

I mean I know it's about the money, but I get the impression that he really wants to play football, and anyone wanting to compete for snaps at left tackle better be ready to play, because he's no slouch even at 38.

Just my opinion, but I think he'll be back because I think he really like playing for the organization.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Evan, Edwards and Corbett all look like the future starters this team has been needing. When they get Allen back next year with Noteboom at LT this will be a very good o-line. Young with a solid future in front of them. They look good now and will be better next year.

It's time to move on from Whitworth that time has come. He was never signed as a long term player. He's been a great bridge LT but when Noteboom is healthy it's his time to play.

Please leave Allen out of next year’s plans. He’s not a quality NFL lineman. I worry about Noteboom as well. If those two are starters on next year’s line then we will see the same start to the season that we did this year.

one more year just gives The Rams more depth. Noteboom is still such a big question mark with his injury.

Noteboom is a question mark even without his injury. He wasn’t playing particularly well this year at guard and his projection at LOT is up in the air too imo

 

[OldSchool]

will see, I don’t think Bobby Evans should sit. IfnThe Rams loss because of it I’ll be pissed !! I wouldn’t be posting so much about it if I didn’t.
I also think Bobby Evans is a better offensive lineman than Edwards!! He was also drafted before him making me think the scouts agree as well.

4 offensive holdings in a game. Mystery is how well will Havenstein play & how will he do next to Edwards ?? Was Blythe that bad at RG ?? I like Blythe at center from his first start( subbing in for) for Sullivan.

So your saying it’s no mystery on what Kromer thinks to Ram fans ?? Big Rob is healthy so there for Hav is the starter ??

If Evans starts , no mystery solved ???
I don’t even know what thread this is ??

Evans starts or should Hav !! There is 2 threads that are basically the same ??

I’m not saying Evans doesn’t deserve to play. What I‘m saying is really simple anybody should get it. Until McVay names Evans the starter Rob Havenstein is. It’s not rocket science.

 

[Zaphod]

Please leave Allen out of next year’s plans. He’s not a quality NFL lineman. I worry about Noteboom as well. If those two are starters on next year’s line then we will see the same start to the season that we did this year.



Noteboom is a question mark even without his injury. He wasn’t playing particularly well this year at guard and his projection at LOT is up in the air too imo

To be fair, he did play well stepping in for Whitworth at tackle in the previous year and his is more of a natural tackle.

I know they like drafting tackles and seeing where the competition lands them, but it almost seemed crazy to me to expect someone who was much more geared to the tackle position to play guard, especially in a scheme that was used to Roger Saffold's presence there. Guess I'm just trying to say that it's a combination of factors there.

No matter what, I would expect them to invest in the offensive line in the draft again next year, and a truly stout center would be nice competition to have on the team. I really do like Blythe in that role though, in a way it's a tragedy that it took injury to move him to center where he is a more natural fit, prompting a stronger fit to take over at guard.

 

[Rams43]

look at Edwards & his holding penalties. No one is talking about the 4 he had against Zona!! Then another against Seahags.

I keep asking about the sacks & penalties on Evans. Crickets ??

Well, to be fair, So Ram, Edwards had 1 false start and 3 “holds” vs the Cards. And 2 of those ‘holds’ were ticky tack. The kind seen on virtually every NFL snap.

Sooooo...

 

[Merlin]

Well, to be fair, So Ram, Edwards had 1 false start and 3 “holds” vs the Cards. And 2 of those ‘holds’ were ticky tack. The kind seen on virtually every NFL snap.

Sooooo...

Yeah Edwards is gonna have to learn what gets called and what doesn't. Thing that is impressive with him is you rarely see him get overpowered which often can't be said with rooks as most of them need to get stronger to really shine at this level. And in the run game he moves dudes.

Also him and Edwards seem to have a really nice rapport. They play well together. I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone wouldn't be excited about both of them. They're both going to start at this level which is a huge coup for us especially with Snead's draft history on the OL.

 

[Rams43]

Yeah Edwards is gonna have to learn what gets called and what doesn't. Thing that is impressive with him is you rarely see him get overpowered which often can't be said with rooks as most of them need to get stronger to really shine at this level. And in the run game he moves dudes.

Also him and Edwards seem to have a really nice rapport. They play well together. I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone wouldn't be excited about both of them. They're both going to start at this level which is a huge coup for us especially with Snead's draft history on the OL.

Yep, Merlin.

Two quality starting O linemen with a 3rd and a 5th In the last draft? Are you KIDDING me? Lol.

 

[SteveBrown]

Yeah Edwards is gonna have to learn what gets called and what doesn't. Thing that is impressive with him is you rarely see him get overpowered which often can't be said with rooks as most of them need to get stronger to really shine at this level. And in the run game he moves dudes.

Also him and Edwards seem to have a really nice rapport. They play well together. I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone wouldn't be excited about both of them. They're both going to start at this level which is a huge coup for us especially with Snead's draft history on the OL.

Yes, Edwards gets movement....and Evans does too.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Earlier in the year I was calling Evans a bust. I figured if he couldn't beat out Demby then he and Edwards both suck. I understand the coaches protecting rookies and being cautious but if it's costing games, then play them. Now that we see what Evans and Edwards are capable of, nobody here can convince me that either one of them would have been a better option than Demby, even if it isn't their usual side of he OLine.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

To be fair, he did play well stepping in for Whitworth at tackle in the previous year and his is more of a natural tackle.

I know they like drafting tackles and seeing where the competition lands them, but it almost seemed crazy to me to expect someone who was much more geared to the tackle position to play guard, especially in a scheme that was used to Roger Saffold's presence there. Guess I'm just trying to say that it's a combination of factors there.

No matter what, I would expect them to invest in the offensive line in the draft again next year, and a truly stout center would be nice competition to have on the team. I really do like Blythe in that role though, in a way it's a tragedy that it took injury to move him to center where he is a more natural fit, prompting a stronger fit to take over at guard.

Well Allen looked good in spot duty last season also. A super small sample size is not evidence enough for me.

 

[Zaphod]

Well Allen looked good in spot duty last season also. A super small sample size is not evidence enough for me.

True that, but Noteboom is still a natural tackle., and that was the position he had success with. I know it’s an efficient way to draft with lower round selections, but not every tackle has the ability to slide over to guard. It just doesn’t always work out. I wouldn’t give up on Allen yet either, who may well be poised for backup next season(facing competition for that of course). But we don’t expect him to be ready to backup Whitworth at the beginning of the season anyway, so we know they’ll need someone to backup Whitworth assuring he signs up for another year. But I still hope that they draft more offensive line talent and keep as much veteran leadership as they can as well,

 

[Mojo Ram]

To be fair to Allen, Boom and honestly everyone else on offense...the game planning, attack schemes have improved since the early part of the season.

McV rolled out the same stuff as the '17 '18 season following training camp and clearly the time to evolve was overdue. I'm pretty sure that if Allen and Boom were still in the lineup we'd still be seeing an overall more effective offense than we did early on.

My point is that evolving the offense like using more 12 personnel, using 10 yard routes instead of 20 yard routes on 3rd down, running the ball on 2nd down, moving Goff around etc, has been more of a factor than who's blocking up front.

Better late than never.
JMO

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

True that, but Noteboom is still a natural tackle., and that was the position he had success with. I know it’s an efficient way to draft with lower round selections, but not every tackle has the ability to slide over to guard. It just doesn’t always work out. I wouldn’t give up on Allen yet either, who may well be poised for backup next season(facing competition for that of course). But we don’t expect him to be ready to backup Whitworth at the beginning of the season anyway, so we know they’ll need someone to backup Whitworth assuring he signs up for another year. But I still hope that they draft more offensive line talent and keep as much veteran leadership as they can as well,

I have been watching games from earlier this year. I focused on the line. Allen is horrible. He misses his blocks all the time and gets pushed around. He is not an NFL caliber Olineman. He needs to go.

To be fair to Allen, Boom and honestly everyone else on offense...the game planning, attack schemes have improved since the early part of the season.

McV rolled out the same stuff as the '17 '18 season following training camp and clearly the time to evolve was overdue. I'm pretty sure that if Allen and Boom were still in the lineup we'd still be seeing an overall more effective offense than we did early on.

My point is that evolving the offense like using more 12 personnel, using 10 yard routes instead of 20 yard routes on 3rd down, running the ball on 2nd down, moving Goff around etc, has been more of a factor than who's blocking up front.

Better late than never.
JMO

What I said above. Allen cannot block in space. He is always missing his targets. He misses blocks in pass defense also. Aside from Demby he’s the worst player on the line. I’d take Brett Romberg over him.

Noteboom and Allen were drafted when the Rams had good success running the zone blocking scheme for their running game. They were looking at the typical lighter more athletic players. In this year’s draft Snead and Kroger picked bigger, stronger lineman. We also see much more gap blocking. Is it a change in philosophy and Allen and Noteboom no longer are ideal for the scheme? I don’t know. But I do know that down field blocking is very important in the run game and Allen sucks at it. Noteboom wasn’t far behind but he was improving. I didn’t see Allen improving at all. I don’t even think he is good depth.