Evans: not a change in thought, but more reality

[SteveBrown]

totally call BS ??

what TE has covering up Bobby Evens & HOW OFTEN ??

He got Goff hit once , but not sacked. Helped Goff up & gave him a little pat on the butt.
Bobby Evens had a solid game & contained his blocks.He was not covered up anymore than Whitworth. Mundt vs Higbee on a few occasions. I see the seahags game different than you & think Big Rob came into camp a little heavy (fat).
also going to start another post or continue one I’ve already started.
—Will see how things play out, but disagree until I see something different. Got rid of the game tape, but Bobby Evens was solid & Collinsworth thought the same.

Goff rolled a lot, to the left and right...this means in pass pro we can't count those snaps as 'setting in traditional pass pro". We don't have a lot of evidence of Evans handling 1 on 1 on 7 step drops. (to add: Goff didn't roll right-left much in 2018). That Seattle game was a new twist by McVay and it was to protect the edges--and Evans was very effective in that 'limited' role.

The bold is what I would focus on. Handling a 7 step drop, while the DE is bending, is hugely different than what Evans faced at Seattle. Yes, Hav in 2019 has been mediocre, but certainly was not afforded the protection that Evans has been.

Yes, Eveans has better feet, but it is very clear for those who have eyes to see...not what is seen (sliding protection), but unseen (not given many 1 on 1 matchups on 7 step drops)...

If Hav starts over Evans this year, it proves i am right---meaning McVay knows more than us....lol, yes McVay does know better regarding Hav and Evans. If Hav is healthy and doesn't start, I will make a new thread--saying how wrong I am

"BS"--and the use of it is a lil agressive Ram-brudder; if you want me to get aggressive in return, regarding your 'eyes' and game film, I can ....sometimes class says "I won't write that..." lol

 

[SteveBrown]

Havenstein should have gotten the help that Evans gets them, because Rob was atrocious all season

Ya, Hav should have had a lot more chips....and game in and game out he didn't and he underperformed. He is too young to 'fall off the cliff' physically. He was never quick to begin with....Rob will be back next year as a starter somewhere, for sure. Scouts know.

 

[jjab360]

Havenstein will be fine. Evans' landing spot will likely be starting at OG with David Edwards starting at the other OG position imo.

 

[Merlin]

Just a little bit of difference between a guy starting his third year and a guy starting his rookie year. Not saying Hav can't make G work but at his cost and with how he's played lately added to what we saw when he first was tried at guard that's a lot of reasons to not think it'll work. Dump him and his salary and draft depth.

I think there's some correlation in that example OS. Hav was tried there in the new scheme, under the new regime with them moving from a power to a heavy outside zone concept. It wasn't a situation where he was tried there in year 3 and knew what he was doing but couldn't do it. He was trying to pick it up and they ended up placing him on the edge where he's done some good things.

The dude was drafted for a power run game. And ironically that 6-1 BS has driven us back to a power run scheme on the interior at least in part, in order to counter it. Now we have a young OT who has better feet than him (it's not close either) so the obvious option is to move him inside.

Honestly how this all goes down probably relates back to Edwards and where they think he can play, not to mention what they do in FA...

* If they feel like Edwards can handle LT, then that RG spot is open for Hav to compete.

* If they go get a top OG to be the new vet leader of the line (I would pursue Scherff), Hav will probably be moved due to contract cost.

* If they sign a LT on the market (Castonzo would be the guy you want IMO) then Edwards stays at RG which means they will move Hav due to contract cost.

And so on. All I'm saying is that discounting the dude in a potential move to the interior is premature.

 

[OldSchool]

I think there's some correlation in that example OS. Hav was tried there in the new scheme, under the new regime with them moving from a power to a heavy outside zone concept. It wasn't a situation where he was tried there in year 3 and knew what he was doing but couldn't do it. He was trying to pick it up and they ended up placing him on the edge where he's done some good things.

The dude was drafted for a power run game. And ironically that 6-1 BS has driven us back to a power run scheme on the interior at least in part, in order to counter it. Now we have a young OT who has better feet than him (it's not close either) so the obvious option is to move him inside.

Honestly how this all goes down probably relates back to Edwards and where they think he can play, not to mention what they do in FA...

* If they feel like Edwards can handle LT, then that RG spot is open for Hav to compete.

* If they go get a top OG to be the new vet leader of the line (I would pursue Scherff), Hav will probably be moved due to contract cost.

* If they sign a LT on the market (Castonzo would be the guy you want IMO) then Edwards stays at RG which means they will move Hav due to contract cost.

And so on. All I'm saying is that discounting the dude in a potential move to the interior is premature.

Just as I’m saying giving up on a rookie in his first preseason is premature. I said it then and have been saying it since, this includes Allen! Far too many people want to give up on him. But I’ll never change in personal beliefs that I give the young guy more chances than a vet in his second contract.

My offseason hopes are take a LT in the second or third like I mentioned in Boni’s post about Mike Millers draft board then take a G/C in the 5th or 6th. Schreff would be nice but imo we keep developing OLine and pay our own guys like Kupp, Johnson and Ramsey.

 

[fearsomefour]

I just rewatched every offensive play from the Seattle game.
On drop back passes Evans was given help (by a TE) a total of two times. He was not given help on drop back passes for the vast majority.
Moving pockets are a little different as they are more directionally blocking. A TE is almost always kept in on the side the line is moving from (right to left in this case) to seal the end not to give help to the T per say.
On some of his pass blocking he did just enough. He was beaten a few times, but, the rest of the pocket was clean and the ball was out quickly. There were a few times he was excellent.
In the running game he did some good work but was also beaten badly a couple of times. He is susceptible to a quick inside move. He could work at maintaining his blocks a little longer.
On the run plays where the DE goes unblocked that is obviously the play design.
The OL directionally blocks and that guy is left alone.
Clowney ran down the one play but also got caught up in traffic on a couple of other times when the Rams ran the same scheme for positive yards.
My take away (not that anyone was asking)?
A little less fired up about his play.
He was not as great in the run game as I remembered from just watching the game. He had a few plays he got blown up, but, he did do a lot of solid work there too.
As for pass blocking Evans is not being given much help.
The game plan changes....misdirection, rolling out and moving the pocket are being done to help protect the entire line.
When it is drop back passing he is rarely getting help.
He has quicker feet than Havenstein and at times shows really good technique. He struggles with inside moves and once or twice a DE ran around him but Goff was saved by getting the ball out.
Pretty similar to Havenstein in the regard.
Because he has quicker feet he can at times recover a little better than Hav.
I would stick with Evans at this point and see how he progresses.

 

[fearsomefour]

Havenstein will be fine. Evans' landing spot will likely be starting at OG with David Edwards starting at the other OG position imo.

Could be.
That would a best case scenario in a lot of ways.

 

[SteveBrown]

Could be.
That would a best case scenario in a lot of ways.

We might have a top 5 line with this next year.

 

[fearsomefour]

We might have a top 5 line with this next year.

Haha.
Let’s not crazy.
But hey, it could be.
All of the young guys are flashing some ability.

 

[So Ram]

Goff rolled a lot, to the left and right...this means in pass pro we can't count those snaps as 'setting in traditional pass pro". We don't have a lot of evidence of Evans handling 1 on 1 on 7 step drops. (to add: Goff didn't roll right-left much in 2018). That Seattle game was a new twist by McVay and it was to protect the edges--and Evans was very effective in that 'limited' role.

The bold is what I would focus on. Handling a 7 step drop, while the DE is bending, is hugely different than what Evans faced at Seattle. Yes, Hav in 2019 has been mediocre, but certainly was not afforded the protection that Evans has been.

Yes, Eveans has better feet, but it is very clear for those who have eyes to see...not what is seen (sliding protection), but unseen (not given many 1 on 1 matchups on 7 step drops)...

If Hav starts over Evans this year, it proves i am right---meaning McVay knows more than us....lol, yes McVay does know better regarding Hav and Evans. If Hav is healthy and doesn't start, I will make a new thread--saying how wrong I am

"BS"--and the use of it is a lil agressive Ram-brudder; if you want me to get aggressive in return, regarding your 'eyes' and game film, I can ....sometimes class says "I won't write that..." lol

far dude , I guess I might have read your post wrong ?? I looked at every play. So I’m just going by what I have watched & seen.

Edwards has like 4 holds against Arizona. He was more of my concern last week. Well mainly the whole O’line play. Evans seemed like the most stable of all the lineman. Even Whitworth who has a 2 penalty with hands to the face. One costing giving up the ball ?? Blythe has been solid,but not very powerful. He is stable & at a very affordable cap space.

1. Evans has given up how many sacks ?? I think there was a play against Arizona Goff did not step up in a clean pocket. The further he goes back the harder it is to block his blindside. Goff has to feel that or at least know the pressure is there. I was upset at Goff. If that was Big Rob imo it is a sack. I was not counting but very few pressures.

2.Hold calls or false starts ??

Those are killer to the offense.

—Will see how it all plays out.

I do not start to many post, but I did back
Mcvay’s first season. Fans were down on the offensive line and the depth. Whitworth was the team leader. Maybe I’ll continue my thoughts on my new post.My believe thoughts is right now Kromer has a nice stable of lineman he has put together.I do think Whitworth comes back.

My thoughts on Big Rob are open.Really think he needed to step up this season & didn’t being the 2nd elder statesmen on the line. I also think the line is about relationships.
My post was The Big 5 !! That group was real good,but Jamon Brown didn’t stick to team first by getting busted the 2nd season. Blythe was good,but Brown was apart of the original Big 5.

 

[SteveBrown]

far dude , I guess I might have read your post wrong ?? I looked at every play. So I’m just going by what I have watched & seen.

Edwards has like 4 holds against Arizona. He was more of my concern last week. Well mainly the whole O’line play. Evans seemed like the most stable of all the lineman. Even Whitworth who has a 2 penalty with hands to the face. One costing giving up the ball ?? Blythe has been solid,but not very powerful. He is stable & at a very affordable cap space.

1. Evans has given up how many sacks ?? I think there was a play against Arizona Goff did not step up in a clean pocket. The further he goes back the harder it is to block his blindside. Goff has to feel that or at least know the pressure is there. I was upset at Goff. If that was Big Rob imo it is a sack. I was not counting but very few pressures.

2.Hold calls or false starts ??

Those are killer to the offense.

All things considered Evans is doing great---you are right, I don't remember so many penalties or menal erros; but, he isn't playing like a 3 year vet, but like a rookie who could be really good in this league....and a great guard.

 

[96GS#007]

All I know is that whatever Evans, McVay, Goff's smokin' hot girlfriend, and McVay's smokin' hot Fiance are doing...keep doing it and don't fk it up by changing.

 

[So Ram]

All things considered Evans is doing great---you are right, I don't remember so many penalties or menal erros; but, he isn't playing like a 3 year vet, but like a rookie who could be really good in this league....and a great guard.

well how many penalties & sacks has Evans given up ?? Your the stating he needs help & can’t contain an outside rush???

 

[Corbin]

I agree with most of this, but i'm not seeing a necessity in keeping a rather expensive Havenstein for the interior considering the depth already available with Edwards, Corbett, Brewer & the likelihood that any reserve Center we keep in the future will also be cross-trained.
In the event the Rams offer Whitworth a short extension and Blythe leaves during free agency, this OL unit will have Noteboom, Evans, Edwards, Corbett, Brewer, B. Allen, Shelton, Trewyn, Kolone & possibly even Demby again vying for a role on the 53. That's 11 guys competing for at best 9 spots, and i've purposely left off Havenstein's name and any potential draft pick that will add to that number. After Whitworth, Havenstein is the next most expensive contract we service, and 2020 will be a very tight CAP year, so if Havenstein were to lose his job starting at RT, his value depreciates rapidly. Hav's first experiment at OG was short lived for a reason, do we really need to attempt this transition again ?
jmo.

Hell yes! I’d much rather keep our current o-line lineup and trade/cut Hav and use that money saved to keep Fowler and Littleton!

 

[Riverumbbq]

Hell yes! I’d much rather keep our current o-like lineup and trade/cut Hav and use that money saved to keep Whitworth and Littleton!

Fixed

 

[fearsomefour]

lol — as a poster just posted about the 12man ?? They were running a lot of 2 TE sets. Whitworth was protected just as much. Evans went against The freak a couple times as well. He stood him up a couple times.
There one poster talking about Clowney running down the RB. Imo that was not his assignment ?? Yeah - Big Rob look like he enjoyed his offseason a bit to much. I also think not getting those preseason reps helped the young guys , but hurt the starters besides Whitworth.

It’s not about having TEs on the field it is whether they help block or not.
The only advantage is a DE lining up a bit wider....which may help or may not.
In the Seattle game Evans was helped twice with a TE blocking on a drop back (5 or 7 step).
He’s not getting much help.

 

[Corbin]

Fixed

Lol

I wouldn't mind Whit back either!

Out of curiosity you wouldn't want Fowler back?

 

[Riverumbbq]

Lol

I wouldn't mind Whit back either!

Out of curiosity you wouldn't want Fowler back?

It's not that I don't want him back, but his stock has been rising just like Littleton's, and I feel we have far better depth behind Fowler than we do with Littleton. Keep in mind that if we do re-sign Whitworth for one more year, he'll be coming off the CAP books in 2021 while we are trying to extend guys like Kupp, Ramsey, Everett & JJ3, where Fowler's new long-term contract would eat available CAP.
jmo.

 

[BonifayRam]

Lol

I wouldn't mind Whit back either!

Out of curiosity you wouldn't want Fowler back?

You might be able to sell AW #77 on one more season with the reason being the Joseph Noteboom situation. AW might be offered the ideal of expecting to play for the first half of the season. That the Ram Org. would have LT prospects in place for Training Camp & Preseason working as AW's back up going into the initial part of the 2020 season. Noteboom would not figure anywhere in this early picture until after the bye.

AW might be open for this to help the Ram's Org & help Joseph Noteboom (who he has been working with closely last season & early this season). From what I have read & seen they are close. Otherwise, the Rams will be forced to go into the draft leaning heavy on finding a lT with very early starting skills & abilities which might prevent Noteboom from ever securing a Ram LT post following AW's departure.

It will difficult to find the salary cap funds $$$ to get AW to reconsider giving up another year of his life on his well-worn near 40 yr old body.