Evans: not a change in thought, but more reality

[SteveBrown]

McVay protects Evants a lot:

Evans has been rarely left alone in any game in a 1 on 1 matchup with a 5-7 step drop. McVay has slid
protection so much, you rarely get a glimpse of what he has.
The few times he was left in a 1 on 1 with 7 step drop, he didn't look that good--not nearly
as good as Hav looked in 2018. The Rams need him to be 'that' good to be the starting RT in 2020.

So, it is great to have Evan's 'health' and tough attititude, but he is no run blocking up grade, as
Hav was great, and he certainly doesn't have very good pass pro technique either---and has lost the edge
way too many times already in his 4 (or so) starts.

I watch every snap over and over until I 'got' what Evans is doing---I am very confident with
my assessment--and won't listen to PFF-talk or any of that crap. He is not as good, not close,
as Hav was in 2018. Havenstein, healthy, will be back in 2020 as a starter. Evans will be a great guard.

Evans has what Noteboom never, nor never will have: toughness and strength.
Evans has a bright future in the NFL--as a RT maybe, as a guard yes. He has toughness,
and long arms for a guard and that can not be coached---unless you are of the old school Marty Schott style.

 

[Merlin]

Evans is going to play on the edge for us. He has great feet. Hav even in his best season last year has always gotten by moreso with his length than good feet.

But I do think Hav has been crapped on a bit too much due to his struggles this season. He should be a viable guard where his toughness and strength can show. He is just too much a liability vs speed rushers.

Rams might move Hav if they plan on adding a FA on the interior. If they think a LT solution is likely on the market, however, I think they keep him and transition him inside.

The biggest difference in this next offseason will be competition. That and less sitting of the big fellas in preseason.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Evans is going to play on the edge for us. He has great feet. Hav even in his best season last year has always gotten by moreso with his length than good feet.

But I do think Hav has been crapped on a bit too much due to his struggles this season. He should be a viable guard where his toughness and strength can show. He is just too much a liability vs speed rushers.

I agree with most of this, but i'm not seeing a necessity in keeping a rather expensive Havenstein for the interior considering the depth already available with Edwards, Corbett, Brewer & the likelihood that any reserve Center we keep in the future will also be cross-trained.
In the event the Rams offer Whitworth a short extension and Blythe leaves during free agency, this OL unit will have Noteboom, Evans, Edwards, Corbett, Brewer, B. Allen, Shelton, Trewyn, Kolone & possibly even Demby again vying for a role on the 53. That's 11 guys competing for at best 9 spots, and i've purposely left off Havenstein's name and any potential draft pick that will add to that number. After Whitworth, Havenstein is the next most expensive contract we service, and 2020 will be a very tight CAP year, so if Havenstein were to lose his job starting at RT, his value depreciates rapidly. Hav's first experiment at OG was short lived for a reason, do we really need to attempt this transition again ?
jmo.

 

[Zaphod]

I'll tell you why I'd keep him, competitive depth at both right tackle and guard.

I mean, that's just me being snake bit by watching Saffold go to another team and the effect it had on the team this year.

If we had Saffold, maybe Blythe starts at center sooner as Allen struggles?

 

[RyanDaRamFan]

I agree that Hav will be the RT next year. Everyone forgets what a great year he had in 2018. He wil return to form next year in my opinion. I think the line will have Edwards at LG, corbett at center, Evans at rg, Hav at RT, and a big question at LT. Maybe Edwards will be the LT if noteboom is not healthy. Maybe Witworth resigns. Maybe we get a free agent. Best case scenario is if Noteboom is healthy and we pick up a swing tackle, or two, in the draft

Hav is too tall to be a guard

 

[fearsomefour]

Unfortunately Hav doesn’t have what Hav had in 18 either.
I’ve been excited by Evans. Probably too excited.
Will rewatch the Seattle game with a more critical eye.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I agree that Hav will be the RT next year. Everyone forgets what a great year he had in 2018. He wil return to form next year in my opinion. I think the line will have Edwards at LG, corbett at center, Evans at rg, Hav at RT, and a big question at LT. Maybe Edwards will be the LT if noteboom is not healthy. Maybe Witworth resigns. Maybe we get a free agent. Best case scenario is if Noteboom is healthy and we pick up a swing tackle, or two, in the draft

Hav is too tall to be a guard

I would put Havenstein back at RT. Evans has outplayed him and it isn’t close

 

[Jorgeh0605]

Interesting. Everyone disagrees with @SteveBrown but no one is acknowledging your reasoning. I haven't had a chance to watch Evans play closely, but with more 12 personnel, I don't see a reason to doubt your observation that Evans receives help in pass pro and is almost never left 1 on 1. That's a big deal, and likely means McVay doesn't trust Evans as much as he did Havenstein. Good post.

 

[SteveBrown]

I would put Havenstein back at RT. Evans has outplayed him and it isn’t close

I don't think Evans is near Hav's 2018 year....Hav was 1 on 1 a lot....Evans almost never is
1 on 1 on 7 step drops....the coaches know, and limit Evans; and, the film don't lie. Evans will be a very good player. I could be wrong...I watch and re watch Edwards and Evans on every pass and run right.

 

[SteveBrown]

Interesting. Everyone disagrees .....I don't see a reason to doubt your observation that Evans receives help in pass pro and is almost never left 1 on 1. That's a big deal, and likely means McVay doesn't trust Evans as much as he did Havenstein. Good post.

Someone is thinking

 

[Ram65]

I said it was early to make 2020 predictions and that Evans was getting help Hav didn't get. I have to rewatch the game as well. I do like Evans' long arms. Hope he holds his own against Dallas.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Interesting. Everyone disagrees with @SteveBrown but no one is acknowledging your reasoning. I haven't had a chance to watch Evans play closely, but with more 12 personnel, I don't see a reason to doubt your observation that Evans receives help in pass pro and is almost never left 1 on 1. That's a big deal, and likely means McVay doesn't trust Evans as much as he did Havenstein. Good post.

I think the problem may be more that he's comparing Evans to the 2017/18 Havenstein and not the 2019 version. No-one knows if the earlier Havenstein will make a return, but we have seen the recent success Evans has had in his relatively few appearances. The Rams drafted two OT's last off-season for a reason, one is the likely anticipation for the eventual loss of Whitworth, but that was supposed to have been accomplished with the drafting of Noteboom the year prior. Evans & Edwards are getting early starts due to OL injuries, otherwise they weren't likely to see much playing time as McVay tends towards avoiding many rookies starting unless there is a problem. Thing is though, once the cherry is broken, there is no going back, and both these rookies are progressing to the point where Havenstein & Noteboom haven't been missed, and in Hav's case, people are going to wonder whether his high CAP # is going to be a burden next season, or whether he has more value by way of trade. jmo.

 

[Jacobarch]

McVay protects Evants a lot:

Evans has been rarely left alone in any game in a 1 on 1 matchup with a 5-7 step drop. McVay has slid
protection so much, you rarely get a glimpse of what he has.
The few times he was left in a 1 on 1 with 7 step drop, he didn't look that good--not nearly
as good as Hav looked in 2018. The Rams need him to be 'that' good to be the starting RT in 2020.

So, it is great to have Evan's 'health' and tough attititude, but he is no run blocking up grade, as
Hav was great, and he certainly doesn't have very good pass pro technique either---and has lost the edge
way too many times already in his 4 (or so) starts.

I watch every snap over and over until I 'got' what Evans is doing---I am very confident with
my assessment--and won't listen to PFF-talk or any of that crap. He is not as good, not close,
as Hav was in 2018. Havenstein, healthy, will be back in 2020 as a starter. Evans will be a great guard.

Evans has what Noteboom never, nor never will have: toughness and strength.
Evans has a bright future in the NFL--as a RT maybe, as a guard yes. He has toughness,
and long arms for a guard and that can not be coached---unless you are of the old school Marty Schott style.

I think you need to re-watch the Seattle game again. Evans was left on an island a lot and held his own. There was even some replays of him 1 on 1 vs. Clowney and Evans didn't give him an inch. I see that McVay has been more careful with his protections and thus giving his QB much needed time he wasn't getting before but Evans has more than played beyond his draft status so far.

 

[So Ram]

Interesting. Everyone disagrees with @SteveBrown but no one is acknowledging your reasoning. I haven't had a chance to watch Evans play closely, but with more 12 personnel, I don't see a reason to doubt your observation that Evans receives help in pass pro and is almost never left 1 on 1. That's a big deal, and likely means McVay doesn't trust Evans as much as he did Havenstein. Good post.

good post if you believe Steve Brown !! I totally disagree, even Hav as a RT in 2018.
Big Rob did a good job at run blocking, but his footwork is CRAP!! Gets always with using is long arms.
Still think RG might be a better position for him ?? Not sure because that ship had sailed. He has been penciled in at RT & payed well to do so.
In no way I take Evens out right now & replace him with Hav !!
This post should not be here. It should be on the Hav thread to start !!

 

[RamWoodie]

I'm prone to stay with Hav also. I also think the flaw with Hav is...being 6' 8" he needs to not stand so tall because it allows the DEs, who are often shorter to get leverage against him.

Hopefully he's working it out. I know he's seen Evan's in there and he knows he needs to pick it up.

In regards to the OPs post I've not watched close enough to see help going Evan's way.
I did notice in the Seattle game that there were several times on runs left, that Evan's didn't block Clowney and he was able to run down the play. It happened so many times I figured it was by design. Clowney just had the speed to run down the play.

My guess is after this practice week, if Hav is active, he'll start.

 

[So Ram]

Unfortunately Hav doesn’t have what Hav had in 18 either.
I’ve been excited by Evans. Probably too excited.
Will rewatch the Seattle game with a more critical eye.

yes - please rewatch, because I view it 100% different from Steve Brown !! Chris Collinsworth worth states his like for the Young Rams being the 2nd half on Gurleys run. Actually a screen playfirst ?? He talks them up a few times.

 

[So Ram]

Someone is thinking

totally call BS ??

what TE has covering up Bobby Evens & HOW OFTEN ??

He got Goff hit once , but not sacked. Helped Goff up & gave him a little pat on the butt.
Bobby Evens had a solid game & contained his blocks.He was not covered up anymore than Whitworth. Mundt vs Higbee on a few occasions. I see the seahags game different than you & think Big Rob came into camp a little heavy (fat).
also going to start another post or continue one I’ve already started.
—Will see how things play out, but disagree until I see something different. Got rid of the game tape, but Bobby Evens was solid & Collinsworth thought the same.

 

[So Ram]

I'm prone to stay with Hav also. I also think the flaw with Hav is...being 6' 8" he needs to not stand so tall because it allows the DEs, who are often shorter to get leverage against him.

Hopefully he's working it out. I know he's seen Evan's in there and he knows he needs to pick it up.

In regards to the OPs post I've not watched close enough to see help going Evan's way.
I did notice in the Seattle game that there were several times on runs left, that Evan's didn't block Clowney and he was able to run down the play. It happened so many times I figured it was by design. Clowney just had the speed to run down the play.

My guess is after this practice week, if Hav is active, he'll start.

disagree - yes Clowny ran down a RB twice. Evans blocked Clowny well when they hooked up , nothing Clowny did against Evens!!

 

[RamWoodie]

disagree - yes Clowny ran down a RB twice. Evans blocked Clowny well when they hooked up , nothing Clowny did against Evens!!

All I can tell you is rewatch the game. I'm certain there are others who saw what I did.

In each case of the play, Evan's blocked to his left. He didn't even attempt to block Clowney. I know if he was missing his assignment, someone would have said something to him. That's why I concluded it was by design.

I have game rewind, so I'm gonna try and clip a couple of them.

 

[Jacobarch]

Interesting. Everyone disagrees with @SteveBrown but no one is acknowledging your reasoning. I haven't had a chance to watch Evans play closely, but with more 12 personnel, I don't see a reason to doubt your observation that Evans receives help in pass pro and is almost never left 1 on 1. That's a big deal, and likely means McVay doesn't trust Evans as much as he did Havenstein. Good post.

I did.