AvengerRam
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IMO, Hummel is not a joke, however, I believe that Jones and his agent like the Rams fear not having the contract because of the knee. IMHO, there might not be any takers and then Jones will have no alternative to play in his final year.
I think the injury concern makes him less valuable than Karamoah. Plus Karamoah has excellent speed and range. I don’t think Jones should be in Owusu-Karamoah’s range.Obviously, many of us would love to know the numbers ... offered by the Rams ... requested by Jones' reps.
A good comparable would be the Browns' Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah who just signed an extension.
Owusu-Koramoah is a very good off-ball-LB, and made the Pro Bowl in 2023. Like Jones, he is 24 years old (both were born in November 1999). Like Jones, he was drafted in 2021 (mid-second, to Jones' late-third round). Both are slightly undersized, athletic players. Both have 33 career starts.
Owusu-Koramoah's extension was signed less than two weeks ago, and was for three-years and $37.5M (Average Annual Value of $12.5M), with $20M guaranteed.
Is Jones asking for that? ... A little more? ... A lot more? ... Are the Rams offering less? ... How much less?
It’s not optimal if he goes, but sitting out some of camp with more recent knee problems doesn’t help his leverage at all. I can understand the Rams drawing a line in the sand.This is great information for reference. Will be interesting what he's looking for to compare eventually.
This sucks though, I wouldn't care if this happened four months ago but this is horrible timing. I don't ever want to see Reeder starting for us again. Hummel I'm not exactly thrilled with as a starter but he did show good coverage skills. I think he'll get blown up in the run game though. Speights is the new flavor of the month and I did love everything I saw from him in the preseason. If worst case scenario happens and Jones leaves I'd deal with some growing pains and throw Speights out there.
I’d put Karamoah ahead of Queen. Owusu-Karamoah has great range and a high football IQ. Reports on Queen was that the Ravens were not happy with his inability to lead the defense.Queen got a 3-year 41 mil
Kormoah got a 3-year 37+ mil
If EJ wants that money or more with medical concerns allowing him to seek a trade and see what the interest is makes sense.
If he stays and plays poorly he will hurt his value for a deal next season.
In all fairness, if there were no existing injury worries EJ's value is pretty fairly estimated as more than Komorah and less than Queen in IMO
If we don't want to pay him big bucks, the best scenario for the Rams is he play out the year, sign a high value contract elsewhere in free agency, and we get a 3rd or 4th comp pick. I doubt what they get in trade now will match that.Queen got a big deal, just happened to be the Steelers and not the Ravens who ponied up, and they received nothing in return. Jones has some trade value, not sure what exactly but something is better than nothing.
Exact scenario as Ramsey. He came out and said he wanted to stay in LA and never wanted to be tradedUnusual example of Rams’ dirty laundry on full display.
We're talking about a 2026 comp pick here.Not necessarily Comp picks only come back if a team's net losses exceed its gains via free agency.
The Rams are unlikely to get any 2025 comp picks because they added more (quantity of players and contract values) in 2024 free agency than they lost.
Yes, as discussed above.We're talking about a 2026 comp pick here.
I'm shocked that you just woke-up. It's the middle of the afternoon!!!
Agreed. I just needed to read the thread further down.Yes, as discussed above.
The point being that ... should the Rams lose Jones via free agency in 2025, they will not necessarily receive a comp pick in 2026 because the comp pick formula is based on net losses vs. net gains via free agency.
"We call it the 'Crack of Noon' in the Lou" ~ @MementoI'm shocked that you just woke-up. It's the middle of the afternoon!!!
I like Elias Neal on the PS - he needs a redshirt year to build up his strengthSo the more I think about this...... IF there is an ILB we can get for cheap... to pair with Speights... I could see possibly moving Jones for a decent draft pick....
To me..the optimal option is to move forward with Jones and Speights as our ILBs... but this is a business
Also I'm wondering how much they like Elias Neal... he looked pretty good in the preseason as well... figured a practice squad spot was coming for him
Amazing level of assumptions and overreactions in this thread![]()
This is true, hoped it was just in the GDT but like every virus it spreads.
FIRE MCVAY! ~ GDTAmazing level of assumptions and overreactions in this thread![]()
ok thanksNo
The 2025 comp picks will be based on what happened four and five months ago ... March and April of 2024.
It's already done. There will be a Formula and Analysis and the 2025 comp picks will be announced around early-April 2025. And the Rams will almost certainly Not get any for the 2025 Draft.
2026 Free Agency will begin in March of next year; and the players the Rams lose ... including Ernest Jones, provided he is not traded, plays with the Rams in 2024 and does not sign an extension ... will be part of the Formula and Analysis for 2026 compensatory picks.
Mods please change the title of this thread.Amazing level of assumptions and overreactions in this thread![]()