Did the Seahawks and 49ers burn themselves trying to be like Les?

[AvengerRam]

Les Snead spends first round draft picks like a Vegas gambler buys drinks for the room during a hot streak.

You can do that when it works.

For example, is anyone complaining about the trade that brought us Jalen Ramsey? I know I'm not. His impact from week to week is huge.

And now, Les spent another two first rounders to bring Matthew Stafford to the Rams. Again... anyone regret that one? I know I don't.

Imitation, is, of course, the sincerest form of flattery, but sometimes its pale. That certainly seems to be the case with the Seahawks pulling a "Les" by trading away two first round picks to bring Jamal Adams to their defense. How's that working out? (Seahawks were 31st in pass defense last year, and are 30th this year). Adams is a talented player, but he's no Ramsey, that's for sure.

Then, this past offseason, the 49ers traded two first round picks to move up to select Trey Lance. Now... some may assert that its way too soon to judge that one but, to be honest, looking at Lance's college career and how he's looked in a 49ers uniform, well... I just don't see it. Certainly, he's not likely to have the kind of impact that Stafford is having any time soon.

So, maybe the message is... don't try to outLes Les.

 

[Memento]

Les Snead spends first round draft picks like a Vegas gambler buys drinks for the room during a hot streak.

You can do that when it works.

For example, is anyone complaining about the trade that brought us Jalen Ramsey? I know I'm not. His impact from week to week is huge.

And now, Les spent another two first rounders to bring Matthew Stafford to the Rams. Again... anyone regret that one? I know I don't.

Imitation, is, of course, the sincerest form of flattery, but sometimes its pale. That certainly seems to be the case with the Seahawks pulling a "Les" by trading away two first round picks to bring Jamal Adams to their defense. How's that working out? (Seahawks were 31st in pass defense last year, and are 30th this year). Adams is a talented player, but he's no Ramsey, that's for sure.

Then, this past offseason, the 49ers traded two first round picks to move up to select Trey Lance. Now... some may assert that its way too soon to judge that one but, to be honest, looking at Lance's college career and how he's looked in a 49ers uniform, well... I just don't see it. Certainly, he's not likely to have the kind of impact that Stafford is having any time soon.

So, maybe the message is... don't try to outLes Les.

However much we rag on Rapp (who has simply been put in a bad position; if he was in man against running backs and tight ends, it wouldn't be a problem, but I digress), Adams is basically a much higher-paid, barely-as-good version. The Jets are going to get fantastic value for Adams, and the Hags pretty much fucked themselves over with the sign-and-trade.

Disagree on Lance. We did pretty much the same with Goff, and the Whiners, as much as I hate to admit it, have good value with most of their weapons, and if Lance has weapons, he'll be very good. Miami will benefit from the Whiners losing so much, but it's going to be an even trade, in my opinion. Will he have the impact of Stafford? Of course not; they're different QBs, after all. But a Lamar Jackson impact? Sure.

 

[AvengerRam]

I don’t think Lance will ever be in Jackson’s league.

 

[Mojo Ram]

I think San Francisco has a strength & conditioning problem.
I think Seattle and Arizona have a scouting problem.

 

[Memento]

I don’t think Lance will ever be in Jackson’s league.

We said that about Jackson not being in Vick's league. Lance has had one game. I hope he busts for the Whiners, I really do, but it's one game - and his first game, at that. First games says nothing about an entire career.

 

[AZRams]

I think San Francisco has a strength & conditioning problem.
I think Seattle and Arizona have a scouting problem.

Agree on SF.

Been asking the rhetorical question here for two years now...wth is up with the injuries?

 

[Q729]

Agree on SF.

Been asking the rhetorical question here for two years now...wth is up with the injuries?

They just want to make sure they have that excuse in their back pocket.

 

[KJD_Ram]

I don’t think Lance will ever be in Jackson’s league.

I'd be surprised if he is even be in Goff's league...

 

[NJRamsFan]

Trading up for a qb is not a patented Les Snead move. It’s been happening since before he was born.


An isolated trade involving 1st round picks for a star is not a patented Les Snead move. It’s been happening since before he was born.

Les Snead is making a name completely devaluing the 1st round pick in favor of proven players while finding late round (namely 6th) value…And I don’t see either team emulating that so far

 

[RamBall]

Les Snead spends first round draft picks like a Vegas gambler buys drinks for the room during a hot streak.

You can do that when it works.

For example, is anyone complaining about the trade that brought us Jalen Ramsey? I know I'm not. His impact from week to week is huge.

And now, Les spent another two first rounders to bring Matthew Stafford to the Rams. Again... anyone regret that one? I know I don't.

Imitation, is, of course, the sincerest form of flattery, but sometimes its pale. That certainly seems to be the case with the Seahawks pulling a "Les" by trading away two first round picks to bring Jamal Adams to their defense. How's that working out? (Seahawks were 31st in pass defense last year, and are 30th this year). Adams is a talented player, but he's no Ramsey, that's for sure.

Then, this past offseason, the 49ers traded two first round picks to move up to select Trey Lance. Now... some may assert that its way too soon to judge that one but, to be honest, looking at Lance's college career and how he's looked in a 49ers uniform, well... I just don't see it. Certainly, he's not likely to have the kind of impact that Stafford is having any time soon.

So, maybe the message is... don't try to outLes Les.

As long as they fail I want them to try to be Les for the next decade or more. The Jamal Adams deal was a head scratcher from the beginning, the guy they traded was probably better suited for their D than Adams, but fuck em. I take pleasure in their failure. It may be too early to write off Trey Lance, but based on his college career and what we have seen thus far, the whiners paid a huge price for a likely average QB. Yeah he is athletic but how often do running QBs end up having long successful careers?

 

[1maGoh]

Trading up for a qb is not a patented Les Snead move. It’s been happening since before he was born.


An isolated trade involving 1st round picks for a star is not a patented Les Snead move. It’s been happening since before he was born.

Les Snead is making a name completely devaluing the 1st round pick in favor of proven players while finding late round (namely 6th) value…And I don’t see either team emulating that so far

I think that's the point. They made big trades of first rounders (something Les does often) under the impression that they could make up for those lost picks with other draft picks/free agency (something Les does), but it's not working. If it was working, if they were getting good value out of late picks, the thread title wouldn't be asking if they burned themselves.

 

[NJRamsFan]

I think that's the point. They made big trades of first rounders (something Les does often) under the impression that they could make up for those lost picks with other draft picks/free agency (something Les does), but it's not working. If it was working, if they were getting good value out of late picks, the thread title wouldn't be asking if they burned themselves.

The uniqueness of Les is not singularly trading first round picks in isolated incidents that's been done forever. It's trading his first round picks like they have no value and still maintaining a playoff team with no signs of slowing. He went "all in" according to many countless times yet it is not catching up to him....THAT is the unique part. Were the bears copying Les when they got Mack ? no...they were just conducting normal NFL business that has been occurring since before I was born. Same with the Seachickens and 9ers....unless they continue to do it of course.

And I hear what you're saying obviously they haven't succeeded so let me make myself clear. The fact that they haven't succeeded is not my objection....I think they haven't even entered the arena that is Les Snead.

 

[Selassie I]

Baaaaaaaahhhhahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

Yes

 

[Bootleg]

Les is more!

 

[Florida_Ram]

Warning to the rest of the NFC and AFC.

Do not try to be like Trader Les the young head Jedi coach of the Los Angeles Rams.

Snead is a dog and with McVay helping him steer the ship, they will likely continue to run the Rams organization much different than today's NFL GM's do.

I wouldn't try to follow Snead and McVay's roster building methods. There is tons of risk with their model of roster building.

They have their unconventional ways mastered because they've been doing it for awhile.

Be very leery following in their footsteps...

 

[1maGoh]

The uniqueness of Les is not singularly trading first round picks in isolated incidents that's been done forever. It's trading his first round picks like they have no value and still maintaining a playoff team with no signs of slowing. He went "all in" according to many countless times yet it is not catching up to him....THAT is the unique part. Were the bears copying Les when they got Mack ? no...they were just conducting normal NFL business that has been occurring since before I was born. Same with the Seachickens and 9ers....unless they continue to do it of course.

And I hear what you're saying obviously they haven't succeeded so let me make myself clear. The fact that they haven't succeeded is not my objection....I think they haven't even entered the arena that is Les Snead.

I think failing the very first year they try has a lot to do with whether or not they continue. The Bears haven't done great since trading for Mack, although I'm not sure they were looking to try and emulate Snead.

What SF and Seattle did feels more similar, although that's very subjective. SF because they went all in on getting a QB when they already had a supposed franchise QB, and one under had taken them to the super bowl at that. It's like they thought they knew the piece that would elevate them enough not need the firsts.

Seattle made a mid season trade for a big splashy defensive piece, again presumably because they thought it would lift the defense enough to boost them deep into the playoffs and not need the firsts.

Because both are failing, they likely won't try it again. If they had succeeded, they would probably be more willing to make that bet a second time.

I do see your point though. I just also think that without immediate success it becomes difficult to sustain the model.

 

[AvengerRam]

An isolated trade involving 1st round picks for a star is not a patented Les Snead move. It’s been happening since before he was born.

Les Snead is making a name completely devaluing the 1st round pick in favor of proven players while finding late round (namely 6th) value…And I don’t see either team emulating that so far

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Well done!

 

[AvengerRam]

Do not try to be like Trader Les the young head Jedi coach of the Los Angeles Rams.

First round picks? Heh!
Cap room?
A McSnead craves not these things!

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I don’t think that the Niners and Seahawks were trying to be like Les and McVay. I think they were reacting to Snead’s moves.

I’ve been saying out for a while now. I love that Snead is proactive. He’s a front runner. He’s not afraid to manage the team in his own way. He’s aggressive and fearless.

Snead made serious moves as the 49ers and Seahawks stood by and watched with their mouths agape in awe. Now they are scrambling to catch up. The thing is, they missed out on the best opportunities, so they have to try to create opportunities to convince themselves that they one upped the Rams. But they failed.

 

[Tron]

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2. Dismiss overstated/misstated version of original point.
3. Repackage point as a “new point” that doesn’t really contradict the original point.

Well done!

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Well done!!!!! We aren't a jury, so save your lawyer shit for the court room please. This is a Rams forum , no need to degrade others who arent attacking you but posting there opinion. Just my opinion, degrade me how you want now