Deshaun Watson wants to be traded. Bears?

[dieterbrock]

Ahhhhh... So the Ramsey technique (who happens to have the same agent...

Big difference though. Ramsey didnt have a no trade, and Jacksonville got what they wanted in return, so there was no need to file a grievance. Watkins cant play that card until it's too late, he's got to get traded before the draft

 

[Mojo Ram]

Well, the ideal situation for them would be to find amicable middle ground. Have Watson supply them with a list of teams he'd accept a trade to. Then Houston can try to get the best deal from that pool.

I agree this is exactly what's going on at the moment. May take awhile, lol.

 

[payote75]

Now I know there are other big markets that have interest or may have interest but another thing is with all the money lost by owners and the NFL itself and So-FI not officially opening the NFL itself is possibly foaming at the mouth for this to happen.

Last angle mcvay likes Wolford a lot of people do but if fans are back and it's the official opening of the stadium and we are hosting the Superbowl is it as appealing to do that with Wolford? or even Goff?....if he remains which doesn't look good.... or open with Watson or another big name? Kroenke will eat money now if it means making a whole lot more later. Tickets merchandise national coverage etc. Like Steve Cohen in NY he is taking a huge loss with the Mets and he is dishing money out investing it basically now and possibly a ton more if they get Bauer. He knows though he will make it back in buckets. Just another theory.

 

[dieterbrock]

Watson is opening up pandora box he is doing something that's been unprecedented in the NFL because he has a no trade clause. Anyhow my question is Anthony Davis and LeBron teaming up and and Davis forced his way to LA. How do you feel about that trade and do you feel it was equal value? I'm interested in getting your take on that. We don't even know if Watson prefers LA technically but if he does Ramsey is LeBron here Watson is Davis and the agent is the agent they had the same agent in the NBA and the same agent here.

That was my point, NBA path is a bad path for the NFL to go down. The NBA is unwatchable because of how the players dictate where they play. And my favorite team is basically who started it. (I'm a Celtics fan, or at least I was when I followed the NBA)

 

[WarnerToBruce]

...We don't even know if Watson prefers LA technically but if he does Ramsey is LeBron here Watson is Davis and the agent is the agent they had the same agent in the NBA and the same agent here.

Great analogy. And perfectly true if the Lakers also had James Harden (AD) on the roster too. Too bad we have to put 11 on the field instead of 5 on the court...

 

[Merlin]

I have no pity on the Texans. They're the asswipes that gave the dude the no-trade clause so now suck it up.

That org is a disaster. And honestly I suspect the owner is senile or something and his maid telling him what to do or something lol.

 

[payote75]

That was my point, NBA path is a bad path for the NFL to go down. The NBA is unwatchable because of how the players dictate where they play. And my favorite team is basically who started it. (I'm a Celtics fan, or at least I was when I followed the NBA)

I agree I but the NFL is run more like the Mafia lol so it will alter the landscape but I don't think it will hit NBA heights. Right?

 

[dieterbrock]

I have no pity on the Texans. They're the asswipes that gave the dude the no-trade clause so now suck it up.

That org is a disaster. And honestly I suspect the owner is senile or something and his maid telling him what to do or something lol.

I get that and agree, I'm 100% on Watson side on how this whole thing went down. However there is a precedent being set here and that isnt good for the league. You can bet that no-trade clauses will become "must have" in contract negotiations going forward and how this plays out will dictate that path

 

[Merlin]

Yes but if you look at it from another direction maybe them getting fucked sideways into trading him to the Rams for a round 2 pick would be a great deterrent for future owners to be a dumbass.

 

[Corbin]

You need a hug? I'm game just a warning I might cop a feel on dat ass.

 

[dieterbrock]

Yes but if you look at it from another direction maybe them getting fucked sideways into trading him to the Rams for a round 2 pick would be a great deterrent for future owners to be a dumbass.

I honestly hope that doesnt happen. Would be a terrible precedent to set.
This kind of illustrates my frustration in this thread, there's discussion about Watson and where he should go from a league perspective, and then there's the discussion where its strictly a view on how Watson can become a Ram.
It's a Rams forum and I surely dont blame folks for viewing this strictly on how it can benefit the Rams.

 

[Mackeyser]

Dude.

Why the yelling?

The Texans do have some control. They can simply say no, we won't trade you and he'll not get paid and instead will fine him.




The Texans, if they are smart (which again at this point....ehh), they will trade him to the highest bidder. If Deshaun doesn't sign off on it...tough noogies. He can go the retirement option.

WFT tried that with Trent Williams. They came off as assholes. He still left which they said they didn’t want. They got much less for him than if they’d just traded him...AND they came off like assholes across the league where you know some guys are like “yeah, never going there”.

Could the Texans do that? Yes.

However, as much as I don’t put doing something so galactically stupid past them, they’ve already put a price on Watson...3 1st rounders as the starting point.

Reminds me of that joke (it’s a bit mysogynistic, but bear with me):

Guy in a bar asks this beautiful woman sitting next to him, “will you sleep with me for $1 million?” She looks at him and says “okay.” He takes a drink and says, “will you sleep with me for $1?” She recoils. “What do think I am?”

He says, “we know what you are. Now we’re just negotiating price.”

We know he’s leaving. We’re just negotiating price. And Snead has a penchant for paying very large prices.

 

[Mackeyser]

That was my point, NBA path is a bad path for the NFL to go down. The NBA is unwatchable because of how the players dictate where they play. And my favorite team is basically who started it. (I'm a Celtics fan, or at least I was when I followed the NBA)

There are too many players in the NFL for that to work. When teams are only 5 players per side, that’s very different than 11 in a much more contact heavy sport.

It’ll happen a little bit more in the NFL bug not anywhere near how it does in the NBA. The CBA also makes that very hard and the owners won’t acquiesce to making it easier in future negotiations.

 

[jrry32]

Anyone that says McVay schemes help is not better then Schott Fisher needs sone Real Help

I do believe the Rams let go of Fish because of it LMAO.

Being a homer,realist seems an issue.

Can anyone say Fisher could have Develop Goff like McVay?

Nobody is saying McVay isn't much better than the Fisher/Schotty duo. (Although, I think Schotty was an average OC for us. The guys who came after him made him look like a genius.) But the fact is that when we traded Sam, he hadn't played a snap of regular season football in over 1.5 years. He had torn his ACL in back to back years. Fisher had also had five years to stunt Bradford's growth. Do I think Sam could have been an above average starting QB had he landed with a better coach and stayed healthy? Yes. But his career played out the way it did.

Say what you will about Goff but he just finished his fifth year (like Sam had with Fisher) and has two Pro Bowl appearances, four winning seasons, a Super Bowl appearance, two 100+ passer rating seasons, led three top 10 offenses, and has led his team to three 10+ win seasons. Sam had none of those things. And unlike Sam, Goff has proven to be quite durable. We're talking apples to oranges here.

 

[dieterbrock]

There are too many players in the NFL for that to work. When teams are only 5 players per side, that’s very different than 11 in a much more contact heavy sport.

It’ll happen a little bit more in the NFL bug not anywhere near how it does in the NBA. The CBA also makes that very hard and the owners won’t acquiesce to making it easier in future negotiations.

It doesnt need to affect all positions, just QB. QB contracts are already out of control. The guaranteed money has escalated and now its likely this will start. Best case scenario is that Watson gives them 5 or 6 teams he'd accept a trade to, and they will get to work.

 

[Gandalf]

Watson is opening up pandora box he is doing something that's been unprecedented in the NFL because he has a no trade clause. Anyhow my question is Anthony Davis and LeBron teaming up and and Davis forced his way to LA. How do you feel about that trade and do you feel it was equal value? I'm interested in getting your take on that. We don't even know if Watson prefers LA technically but if he does Ramsey is LeBron here Watson is Davis and the agent is the agent they had the same agent in the NBA and the same agent here.

I have been thinking how long it will be before players can dictate to ownership where they want to play like the NBA.

 

[payote75]

I have been thinking how long it will be before players can dictate to ownership where they want to play like the NBA.

I think because of the NFL being what it is and the structures in place it will alter some but never like the NBA. Hopefully not anyway.

 

[Mackeyser]

Nobody is saying McVay isn't much better than the Fisher/Schotty duo. (Although, I think Schotty was an average OC for us. The guys who came after him made him look like a genius.) But the fact is that when we traded Sam, he hadn't played a snap of regular season football in over 1.5 years. He had torn his ACL in back to back years. Fisher had also had five years to stunt Bradford's growth. Do I think Sam could have been an above average starting QB had he landed with a better coach and stayed healthy? Yes. But his career played out the way it did.

Say what you will about Goff but he just finished his fifth year (like Sam had with Fisher) and has two Pro Bowl appearances, four winning seasons, a Super Bowl appearance, two 100+ passer rating seasons, led three top 10 offenses, and has led his team to three 10+ win seasons. Sam had none of those things. And unlike Sam, Goff has proven to be quite durable. We're talking apples to oranges here.

more like apples and orangutans...

 

[Gandalf]

I think because of the NFL being what it is and the structures in place it will alter some but never like the NBA. Hopefully not anyway.

I hear ya, I quit watching the NBA.
I guess I'm pretty much old school. I like home grown talent that is coached up and stays with the team awhile, you get connected with the players. These days it's like hiring mercenaries. Players openly lobby their friends to play for the same team.

 

[payote75]

I hear ya, I quit watching the NBA.
I guess I'm pretty much old school. I like home grown talent that is coached up and stays with the team awhile, you get connected with the players. These days it's like hiring mercenaries. Players openly lobby their friends to play for the same team.

Not saying they are great or even good yet but look at the spurs and what they are doing. It's remarkable for them to even be afloat yet they take there picks no matter where they fall and develop them. They do have some vets but regular free agent signings or trades no teaming up and to recover as well as they have after Leonard did what he did is impressive.