Defensive coordinator search

[Merlin]

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So weird that you have to interview a guy for a position he already had with you. Either no offer, or yes i will take a look at the offer...

Standards are important. Otherwise next thing you know you got coaches showing up in their fucking pajamas.

 

[GoodBadUgly]

Raheem Morris can suck it. He takes from Rams to fill his own DC and OC, then doesn't take our STC?

Worst of all worlds. Should have at least been a package deal to take our special teams guy to offset losing the others.

 

[JimY53]

You are extremely stat driven and frankly they don't always put the reality into context.

Totally false. I use stats yes, but I am only one who posts clips and stills to put the stats into context. You never do any of that. You don't use stats. You don't use clips to prove your contentions and you don't use commentary by credible sources, like say Jourdan or Cody Alexander.

You, unless I missed it, use nothing. You just say it. Am I wrong? have you posted something I missed? I know you never posed Staley saying scheme is not a two-gap scheme. Talking about out of context, you have the coach saying what something is, to put it into context and you, I guess, just ignore it.

So, "frankly" just because stats prove you wrong does not mean they are out of contexts. And since we are being "frank" I won't hold my breath for you to put anything you've even said into context.

Stats CREATE context. You can see how something is done relative to something else. They don't allow anecdotal evidence to take precedence over facts.

Also, for further context, I have posted diagrams of the scheme the Rams run ... the Panny front, the tape front, the base front, some of the blitzes.

All that I do is FOR context.

You are welcome to your approach, but so am I.

You are. But your approach makes you say over and over that Morris is stupid and a coward. It makes you say rams two-gap the 0-tech when that is not true. It makes you say things like Jimym Lake ran a Tampa-2 at Washington. Nope. It shows that you don't know what a boundary cornerback is (hint: not a CB who plays outside, if has a meaning).

You have posted over and over that this safety is a SS-type and this one a "true" FS type. You seem to not know that Rams don't have a designated SS or 'box' safety or FS. They don't play them that way.

You posted that Gaines only played 0-tech under Morris and that is was bad for him to do that, when he p[layd 0-tech under your demi-god Staley. You content that soft cushions originated under Morris. They didn't.

You thought it was weird that Rapp excelled under Phillips as an "inside box safety" and it Morris playing him as a "deep safety" when under both Morris and Staley Rapp was in the box plenty often - basically the same percentage as each other.

You claim Morris "plays his buddies". And back that up with nothing. How would you know who was and wasn't his buddies? You posted that Morris plays some primitive form of zone coverage. not the advanced Fangio-based match-zone -- the same as Staley.

There isn't time to cover everything. There is a lot that could be gone over point by point if you were willing but it seems you are not. This is the first time you've responded so I must have touched a nerve.

But that can be good. And it's okay to be wrong. We've all been wrong. You, me, everyone.

Here is when I thought I knew things that I didn't know.

Had a chance to talk to John Mitchell, longtime Steelers coach. I was so proud, of all my study and I ask him about his 3-4 two-gap scheme. He said "We are not a two-gap scheme". Like an idiot I used back a little and he said, "We are a one-gap scheme"

I know about 3-4 hybrids that a 3-4 does not mean two-gap, but this was the Steelers, I was SURE they were a two-gap team, i thought they and the Patriots were the last bastions.

I was wrong.

A couple of years later Steelers are back in the Super Bowl. Mitchell and I meet up. I took the time in between to study and learn. And I was ready. I now understood more than I did before. That Steelers was a one-gap scheme and thus, would have to have at least one guy two-gap, just like in a 4-3 that one guy has to two-gap... 8 gaps 7-man front ... unless a safety in in the box.

So, I sprung it on him. I said you guys run a one-gap 3-4 so that means one of your front guys has to two-gap, right? I was hoping he wouldn't tear me apart again.

He smiled and said, "That's for us to know and them to find out".

Whew, I got it right. And I learned something. That any of the from 3 might be two-gapping on any given call. Same as in a 4-3.

So, we've all been there, me probably more so.

I tell you that because you ned to understand how wrong you are. I don't think it is intentional, I think you think you know what you are saying. But, dude, you really don't -- not when it comes to the LEVEL fo scrutiny you are applying.

If you are not willing to discuss with pictures, clips, stats and all the contextual proof, then you might as well say "Morris sucks, I think he's stupid and a coward, and I wish he were as good as Staley".

But what you do is all that but try and add erudition you don't have to show THE CAUSE of your perceived failures. And there is where I object -- if you don't know the scheme, you cannot accurately critique it.

It's better to just say "Fire, Morris, he plays his CBs soft".

But, I am thankful to Mitchell for not just brushing me off. because the second time we had a 8-10-12 minute chat. And I learned tons in that time.

I put my foot in my mouth and was better because of it.

 

[ottoman89]

I was a big Lake fan too, but I do know he was added to the Ram coaching staff per Raheem's recommendation, so it made sense he was going to follow Morris.

Just really liked what he did at WASH and he had a nice aggressive defense.

I want that here again, SO bad.

 

[den-the-coach]

Just really liked what he did at WASH and he had a nice aggressive defense.

I want that here again, SO bad.

My choices are Evero, Dennard Wilson of the Ravens then Staley.

 

[Billy Baroo]

Totally false. I use stats yes, but I am only one who posts clips and stills to put the stats into context. You never do any of that. You don't use stats. You don't use clips to prove your contentions and you don't use commentary by credible sources, like say Jourdan or Cody Alexander.

You, unless I missed it, use nothing. You just say it. Am I wrong? have you posted something I missed? I know you never posed Staley saying scheme is not a two-gap scheme. Talking about out of context, you have the coach saying what something is, to put it into context and you, I guess, just ignore it.

So, "frankly" just because stats prove you wrong does not mean they are out of contexts. And since we are being "frank" I won't hold my breath for you to put anything you've even said into context.

Stats CREATE context. You can see how something is done relative to something else. They don't allow anecdotal evidence to take precedence over facts.

Also, for further context, I have posted diagrams of the scheme the Rams run ... the Panny front, the tape front, the base front, some of the blitzes.

All that I do is FOR context.



You are. But your approach makes you say over and over that Morris is stupid and a coward. It makes you say rams two-gap the 0-tech when that is not true. It makes you say things like Jimym Lake ran a Tampa-2 at Washington. Nope. It shows that you don't know what a boundary cornerback is (hint: not a CB who plays outside, if has a meaning).

You have posted over and over that this safety is a SS-type and this one a "true" FS type. You seem to not know that Rams don't have a designated SS or 'box' safety or FS. They don't play them that way.

You posted that Gaines only played 0-tech under Morris and that is was bad for him to do that, when he p[layd 0-tech under your demi-god Staley. You content that soft cushions originated under Morris. They didn't.

You thought it was weird that Rapp excelled under Phillips as an "inside box safety" and it Morris playing him as a "deep safety" when under both Morris and Staley Rapp was in the box plenty often - basically the same percentage as each other.

You claim Morris "plays his buddies". And back that up with nothing. How would you know who was and wasn't his buddies? You posted that Morris plays some primitive form of zone coverage. not the advanced Fangio-based match-zone -- the same as Staley.

There isn't time to cover everything. There is a lot that could be gone over point by point if you were willing but it seems you are not. This is the first time you've responded so I must have touched a nerve.

But that can be good. And it's okay to be wrong. We've all been wrong. You, me, everyone.

Here is when I thought I knew things that I didn't know.

Had a chance to talk to John Mitchell, longtime Steelers coach. I was so proud, of all my study and I ask him about his 3-4 two-gap scheme. He said "We are not a two-gap scheme". Like an idiot I used back a little and he said, "We are a one-gap scheme"

I know about 3-4 hybrids that a 3-4 does not mean two-gap, but this was the Steelers, I was SURE they were a two-gap team, i thought they and the Patriots were the last bastions.

I was wrong.

A couple of years later Steelers are back in the Super Bowl. Mitchell and I meet up. I took the time in between to study and learn. And I was ready. I now understood more than I did before. That Steelers was a one-gap scheme and thus, would have to have at least one guy two-gap, just like in a 4-3 that one guy has to two-gap... 8 gaps 7-man front ... unless a safety in in the box.

So, I sprung it on him. I said you guys run a one-gap 3-4 so that means one of your front guys has to two-gap, right? I was hoping he wouldn't tear me apart again.

He smiled and said, "That's for us to know and them to find out".

Whew, I got it right. And I learned something. That any of the from 3 might be two-gapping on any given call. Same as in a 4-3.

So, we've all been there, me probably more so.

I tell you that because you ned to understand how wrong you are. I don't think it is intentional, I think you think you know what you are saying. But, dude, you really don't -- not when it comes to the LEVEL fo scrutiny you are applying.

If you are not willing to discuss with pictures, clips, stats and all the contextual proof, then you might as well say "Morris sucks, I think he's stupid and a coward, and I wish he were as good as Staley".

But what you do is all that but try and add erudition you don't have to show THE CAUSE of your perceived failures. And there is where I object -- if you don't know the scheme, you cannot accurately critique it.

It's better to just say "Fire, Morris, he plays his CBs soft".

But, I am thankful to Mitchell for not just brushing me off. because the second time we had a 8-10-12 minute chat. And I learned tons in that time.

I put my foot in my mouth and was better because of it.

 

[OldSchool]

My choices are Evero, Dennard Wilson of the Ravens then Staley.

This DL coach for the Cowboys intrigues me. Not only because of the production he gets from his unit, yes there's talent there but you think we could get more from AD? But because he's coached a 4-3 and what's the one thing we know about McVay's hires? He likes guys that can teach him something. This is a guy that can show him different things in the front end and a different alignment.

 

[RamWoodie]

I would like a coordinator that prefers a 4-3 scheme primarily. over the 3-4. Call me old school or whatever...and yes there are times you can shift to a 3-4.

 

[OldSchool]

I would like a coordinator that prefers a 4-3 scheme primarily. over the 3-4. Call me old school or whatever...and yes there are times you can shift to a 3-4.

All things considered not sure that's wise.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I would like a coordinator that prefers a 4-3 scheme primarily. over the 3-4. Call me old school or whatever...and yes there are times you can shift to a 3-4.

Isn’t a 3/4 more flexible? I’ve seen the Rams rush 3-4-5 at different times. It gives more options. Most DEs are just DEs and although they can drop back in short coverage, they are often not all that fast laterally or in reverse.

To each his own. I always preferred a 4/3 until the Rams switched and I saw the value in the versatility.

 

[PARAM]

Isn’t a 3/4 more flexible? I’ve seen the Rams rush 3-4-5 at different times. It gives more options. Most DEs are just DEs and although they can drop back in short coverage, they are often not all that fast laterally or in reverse.

To each his own. I always preferred a 4/3 until the Rams switched and I saw the value in the versatility.

They both have their advantages. I like the 3-4 with 2 OLBs on the either edge. You don't know which one is coming. And if they're like Young....decent speed and pursuit skills, they can rush, play the run or cover.....that's a real advantage. I think that kid is gonna make huge strides next year. Hopefully we find another one in the draft.

 

[den-the-coach]

I would like a coordinator that prefers a 4-3 scheme primarily. over the 3-4. Call me old school or whatever...and yes there are times you can shift to a 3-4.

All things considered not sure that's wise.

Sorry @RamWoodie you are not @OldSchool

 

[OldSchool]

Sorry @RamWoodie you are not @OldSchool

Don't think he wants to be either

 

[rdlkgliders]

This DL coach for the Cowboys intrigues me. Not only because of the production he gets from his unit, yes there's talent there but you think we could get more from AD? But because he's coached a 4-3 and what's the one thing we know about McVay's hires? He likes guys that can teach him something. This is a guy that can show him different things in the front end and a different alignment.

I would like a coordinator that prefers a 4-3 scheme primarily. over the 3-4. Call me old school or whatever...and yes there are times you can shift to a 3-4.

How much personnel turnover would be needed to make the change back to a 4 - 3. I remember when we went to Wade's 3 - 4 we changed quite a bit. Fangio's scheme isn't exactly Wades and we play out of both the 30 & 40 but I wonder if this would be a good move at this stage of relaunch

 

[snackdaddy]

I remember McVay wanting his defense to be more reactive to what the opposition does. Whoever we get I hope he won't be so stubborn to stick with his scheme every game even if it doesn't matchup well with that week's opponent. And I hope he pounds the table for an edge rusher in the draft. And DB help in free agency.

 

[ottoman89]

My choices are Evero, Dennard Wilson of the Ravens then Staley.

Absolutely 100% agree.. ill throw Jim Leonard to it also.

 

[RamBall]

I remember McVay wanting his defense to be more reactive to what the opposition does. Whoever we get I hope he won't be so stubborn to stick with his scheme every game even if it doesn't matchup well with that week's opponent. And I hope he pounds the table for an edge rusher in the draft. And DB help in free agency.

I think McVay has more to do with the D than most people think he does. I could be wrong but I think he brought in Staley to learn the Fangio scheme. McVay is known for his O, but he knows both sides of the ball. He designs his plays based on all 22 players on the field and their responsibilities to create indecision. I would be surprised if we see a big change in the style of D regardless of who the new DC is.

 

[JimY53]

My choices are Evero, Dennard Wilson of the Ravens then Staley.

All fine, but revolt when people find out Evero and Staley are Fangio soft zone-types. Wilson? Unknown ... 2 years in Fangio soft zone in Philly and some time in Gregg Williams and Macdonald's schemes.


Evero and Staley

 

[JimY53]

I think McVay has more to do with the D than most people think he does. I could be wrong but I think he brought in Staley to learn the Fangio scheme.

Staley already knew it, but yes, he was brought in to run it and it has been McVay's preference.

I would be surprised if we see a big change in the style of D regardless of who the new DC is.

Just don't know where he will go, tend to agree, though. Staley and Evero definitely disciples of Fangio. Shula and Pleasant also know it. As does Dennard Wilson.

 

[So Ram]

I think McVay has more to do with the D than most people think he does. I could be wrong but I think he brought in Staley to learn the Fangio scheme. McVay is known for his O, but he knows both sides of the ball. He designs his plays based on all 22 players on the field and their responsibilities to create indecision. I would be surprised if we see a big change in the style of D regardless of who the new DC is.

Ramball - you know I don’t notice or respond to most or any of your post,but RESPECTS!!

I know I was at training camp & missed an awesome moment.It was to have the Fans(kids) start chanting Raheem Morris’s name.He was taking it all in & probably know this was his last Rams Training Camp Ever !!

When you think of that it was cool.I don’t know if he was looking at me,but in all seriousness I’ve never seen a coach look at me or the Fans more seriously in taking in that moment.I’m crazy,but reality is what it is.

That said is I’ve been around training camps & the future is way far away in as a 2 hr drive & enjoying LA Beaches? Ramball where will you be at once everything is ALL LA ??
1. Oldbutnotdead must love Harbaugh?? Well he always HATED Raheem & had season tickets 2 SD games.
In all seriousness though is I saw you at training camp in 2013. You gave excellent reviews.Helped BubbaRam find his way & add such an excellent BONUS!!! Very much appreciated!!!

I thought Jordan Fuller & Troy Reeder really player Staley’s DEFENSE WELL.!!

Yeah okay , but who was in The Stands? Does anybody really remember? I guess I don’t know(Sam Darnell -Jets) ?

Greenbay Packers & well I don’t know ? You know Jared Goff can take you to the dance(playoffs)0

Sorry @RamWoodie you are not @OldSchool

Wait What - lol

Just busting balls.

Love ALL Rod RAMILY