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S Korea has 51 mill,that's way more than 8 percent.,try double.

Apologize if I misread you.

Yes it is easier with a smaller population.

Disagree on the 1st 5 months,there's been warning after warning since April from many.

I get it,folks need jobs to get food ,pay the rent mortgage etc etc.

BUT if we gotta shut down, shut it down. And if that happens the Gov should help those who need it.

31 states have seen increases over the last few weeks, this B'S isn't getting better.

We Are and Have the Worst numbers in the World, Something Needs to Change.
 

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Utter nonsense. So ridiculous it's not even funny or amusing to me.



Covid guidelines for Thanksgiving holiday in California

Gov. Gavin Newsom just gave Californians more regulations for an early Christmas present — and anyone hoping to celebrate the holidays with family better hope there’s a gift receipt.

Just in time for the Thanksgiving and Christmas festivities, when most families gather with loved ones, California’s Democrat governor has issued a new set of regulations that bans gatherings of more than three households. Additionally, no indoor gatherings are permitted, so don’t plan on eating around the dining room table unless you lug it out into your backyard.


Newsom’s ban on gatherings of more than three households means that a family with more than two grown children can only have two visit at the same time. According to the Pew Research Center, almost two-thirds of mothers in their young forties in 1976 had three or more children. If those mothers are grandmothers now and their children are grown, that means up to two-thirds of families would be banned from bringing all their children under one roof for the holidays.

Ashley Pollard lives in Orange County, California, and her family’s gatherings for Thanksgiving and Christmas usually include several households coming in from all over the state and beyond. “For most of my family, we look forward to the holidays, as it is often the two times of year that we are able to see each other,” she said. But this year, that won’t be able to happen. “Our holidays will be celebrated individually,” Pollard said. “No cousins, aunts, or uncles.”

Beka Helm is from Sanger, California, and her family’s gatherings normally include about 25 people. This year, she expects they can only have less than half of that. “The holidays are all about family,” says Helm. “If you try to enforce every single one of these rules, the focus turns from family to keeping the rules.”

Not only is California limiting the number of households that can come for Thanksgiving, the state also requires hosts to write down the names of all attendees for contact tracing. For families who want to celebrate the holidays with both sets of in-laws, “participating in multiple gatherings with different households or groups is strongly discouraged.”


In addition to limiting how much of your family can gather, California is mandating that all gatherings happen outside. That means families can’t congregate in the kitchen to cook together, serve food in the kitchen, or sit around the dining room table. Family members can leave your backyard and enter your house to use the restroom, but only if the restroom is “frequently sanitized.”

Unlike some states, California’s winter climate isn’t necessarily hostile to outdoor gatherings, but it can dip below freezing in November and December. Families who have a backyard can gather there; families who live in condos or apartments will have to look elsewhere. “We have been blessed with enough space to have it outside if that was what we wanted,” Helm said. “It probably isn’t realistic for the average resident of California.”

Even outside, the regulations also mandate at least six feet of distance between members of different households at all times, including when family members are sitting. So good luck passing the Thanksgiving turkey down the table, much less having a conversation with the people seated around you.

Speaking of Thanksgiving turkey, Newsom’s regulations require that “as much as possible, any food or beverages at outdoor gatherings must be in single-serve disposable containers.” And no serving your own plate — if food can’t be served in single portions, then someone wearing a face covering must be there to dole out servings.


Attendees should also put their face masks back on as soon as they finish eating. And make sure to keep your gathering short, even if it’s been months since you’ve seen your extended family. “Gatherings should be two hours or less,” Newsom’s rules stipulate.

Finally, don’t count on singing Christmas carols at any holiday parties this year. Singing is “strongly discouraged.” If you do sing, you must wear a face mask the entire time. Further, you’re “strongly encouraged” to sing quietly, and standing far apart from everyone else.

If these rules weren’t severe enough, the regulations also give “local health jurisdictions” permission to enforce even stricter rules. Which raises the question: how is this going to be enforced? Are neighbors going to be encouraged to rat each other out — as New York Mayor Bill de Blasio did — or is this just a political stunt with no real teeth?

Some of Newsom’s rules might be fine as recommendations or suggestions. It may be wise for certain families with at-risk members to follow some of these precautions this year. But that should be a decision left to individual families — not mandated by the state.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/2...on-thanksgiving-with-kafka-level-regulations/
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Not surprising considering that governor. Disappointing and makes me glad most all of my family fled that state long ago though.
 

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Sorry Flv, i don't take your opinion seriously in matters of American holidays. The term out of touch comes to mind here in this particular case. No offense.
 

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Not surprising considering that governor. Disappointing and makes me glad most all of my family fled that state long ago though.
Our leadership is not any better. Pool, darts, etc were allowed when restrictions were "tighter". Now that they "loosened" the restrictions, they are not. Make sense of that. Yet if you go over to a place that has video games, bowling, bars, mini golf, you can play all of them.

Mind you, we required masks to be worn while playing pool and darts. It's obviously to open up casino gaming with less restrictions than smaller bars. A total money grab with ZERO logic being applied.

They also opened up events to 250 people. No size or distance taken into account. Your venue holds 20,000 and is outdoors? 250. Your venue holds 500 and is indoors? 250. Give me a break.

Meanwhile, our governor is videoed sitting 2 ft away from live performers and he excuses it as the music and vocals were merely background music. BTW... He is in the video with no mask on while having an animated conversation with his maskless friends. Yet he wants everyone in establishments to not only have it on their face while eating and drinking but to put it back up between bites and sips.
 

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Our leadership is not any better. Pool, darts, etc were allowed when restrictions were "tighter". Now that they "loosened" the restrictions, they are not. Make sense of that. Yet if you go over to a place that has video games, bowling, bars, mini golf, you can play all of them.

Mind you, we required masks to be worn while playing pool and darts. It's obviously to open up casino gaming with less restrictions than smaller bars. A total money grab with ZERO logic being applied.

They also opened up events to 250 people. No size or distance taken into account. Your venue holds 20,000 and is outdoors? 250. Your venue holds 500 and is indoors? 250. Give me a break.

Meanwhile, our governor is videoed sitting 2 ft away from live performers and he excuses it as the music and vocals were merely background music. BTW... He is in the video with no mask on while having an animated conversation with his maskless friends. Yet he wants everyone in establishments to not only have it on their face while eating and drinking but to put it back up between bites and sips.
I'm sure you have the same nicknames for our idiot governor that we do. And yeah you know what I do I work with people daily on these restrictions. Also am a season ticket holder to the 1868 and wasn't able to be one of the lucky enough to be one of the 250 season ticket holders allowed to go for the playoffs in the 10,000 seat stadium. And we don't need to get into the rates of infection anymore.
 

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Well my mask actually has captioned “this mask is as useless as our Governor“

And it’s my belief they truly are

(just had to sneak in once more)
 

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Sorry Flv, i don't take your opinion seriously in matters of American holidays. The term out of touch comes to mind here in this particular case. No offense.

oh FFS. You think there is some special knowledge that is flowing through us that makes our opinions more relevant? That isn’t knowledge, it’s Kentucky fried chicken gravy.
 

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oh FFS. You think there is some special knowledge that is flowing through us that makes our opinions more relevant? That isn’t knowledge, it’s Kentucky fried chicken gravy.
Do they celebrate Thanksgiving in the UK?
 

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I'm sure you have the same nicknames for our idiot governor that we do. And yeah you know what I do I work with people daily on these restrictions. Also am a season ticket holder to the 1868 and wasn't able to be one of the lucky enough to be one of the 250 season ticket holders allowed to go for the playoffs in the 10,000 seat stadium. And we don't need to get into the rates of infection anymore.
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Do they celebrate Thanksgiving in the UK?

honestly - do you think he is unable to contribute to the discussion because he is from the UK? Really?

Only people who are from countries that celebrate Thanksgiving can understand the effect of a Covid on Thanksgiving celebrations?

it’s as if y’all have been fine with all of the mitigation orders up to now, but now that it is impeding on our sacred Thanksgiving - our 4th most important holiday - now it’s crossed the line. You foreigners wouldn’t get it because y’all don’t know what Thanksgiving is really all about.
 

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As opposed to the "scientific" drivel we're being handed?
 

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it’s as if y’all have been fine with all of the mitigation orders up to now

Who said we've been fine with the mitigation orders up until now? Certainly doesn't apply to me. Anything beyond quarantining the vulnerable and letting the rest of us get on with our lives has been anything but fine with me. I think there are a number of like-minded people on this thread as well.
 

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honestly - do you think he is unable to contribute to the discussion because he is from the UK? Really?
Nice Strawman!
Frankly, I dont care where you're from, if you dont respect the value of family at Thanksgiving, that is sad. And the idea that you can go to Walmart amongst 500 complete strangers and shop for 2 hours but cant have Thanksgiving dinner in the dining room with your in laws and 2 other family members is just beyond.
The abuse of power amongst state Governors is sickening, and defending actions based on political bias is even worse
 

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Who said we've been fine with the mitigation orders up until now? Certainly doesn't apply to me. Anything beyond quarantining the vulnerable and letting the rest of us get on with our lives has been anything but fine with me. I think there are a number of like-minded people on this thread as well.
Dont you love how the definition of quarantine has changed from detaining or isolating an infected (or suspected of being infected) person, group or "thing" in order to prevent spread to our current version?
It's gone from isolating a few in order to protect the whole, to isolating the whole to protect a few.
 

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My family is struggling on Thanksgiving plans. We would be about 25 people - coming from 5 different cities - with 4 of those people being over 75.

I don’t know what the right thing to do is. Do we exclude them? Potentially expose them? Cancel it? It hasn’t been an easy choice.
 
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