Covid 19 thread

[Allen2McVay]

But, we are not built that way. And like it or not, politics has played a large part in all of this. Sad but true.

Agree about the politics comment; and state rights is a big part of the structure. However, the federal government is not without power and influence.

Much more could have been done in my opinion.

 

[Ramhusker]

sure they can, but good parents usually make good children. And good leaders usually make good followers.

leadership is a real thing - and it turns out it really matters.

Seems we don’t have any waiting in the wings either so....... personal responsibility has never been more important.

 

[Dz1]

Make a better argument than that. This isn’t the PD.

The answer is this. Because the epidemiology and biological relationships between Covid and obesity are very clear. And the US is full of obese people. The obese are 113 percent more likely to go to a hospital, 78 percent more likely to go into an ICU, and 48 percent more likely to die from Covid than persons with a normal BMI.

Then you have the elderly who are proven to be the most vulnerable. Even without contracting Covid, the elderly die to the tune of 166,000 per month. Not year. Month. They also make up 80% of Covid deaths in this Country. Now add on top of that, the fact that the elderly already have a myriad of comorbidities, and it’s a perfect storm.

Or you could ignore all that and the fact that we can’t control nature so that you can blame one person. Because that’s the super logical thing to do.

Sorry all that you posted doesn't mean anything.

Excuse after Excuse, doesn't explain why we have 20 percent of all Deaths and Infected., while only having 4.2 of the World's Population.

Btw I don't blame anyone person.

 

[Ramhusker]

Agree about the politics comment; and state rights is a big part of the structure. However, the federal government is not without power and influence.

Much more could have been done in my opinion.

Right. I personally would have isolated New York from the rest of the country early on but that would have gone over like the proverbial turd in the punch bowl. Our numbers would have been much better now.

 

[12intheBox]

Seems we don’t have any waiting in the wings either so....... personal responsibility has never been more important.

The best leadership in history won’t get us anywhere without personal responsibility. I think we agree on that point.

 

[Dz1]

Masks help very little if any and numbers have shown that. The biggest reasons people die from covid other than age is diabetes then heart disease and obesity. It is not the couple months of wearing/not wearing a mask. It was the lifetime of poor decisions, whether its diet, smoking, drinking or lack of exercise. It may sound cold or heartless, but everyones life is defined by the choices they make and if they chose to eat crap, they will have crappy health. If they chose to smoke they will have crappy lungs and be vulnerable to respiratory illness like covid or the flu among others. You dont exercise you will become obese and again be vulnerable to heart disease and other illnesses such as covid. If you eat a decent diet, exercise and dont smoke there is a good chance that covid will be nothing more than a week to 10 days of illness but nothing requiring medical treatment. The contact tracing is a joke, by the time I was contacted by the contact tracers I was fully recovered. My employer had already contacted customers I had come in contact with, but havent/cant tell me if any of them were sick before or after my contact with them. I am lucky to remember who I had contact with yesterday and then the contact tracers expect me to remember who I had contact with over the 14 day period 2 weeks ago. By the time they contacted me anyone I may have exposed to covid could have already had it and been recovered from it. The way to slow the spread is to treat it like the flu, if you feel sick stay home. You should talk to a real Dr about covid you might be surprised how they feel about covid.

Yeap and those 200 thousand plus dead believe you.

I've seen your prior post numbers and in no way do I buy your nonsense.

 

[dieterbrock]

The numbers aren’t because of poor leadership. They are from poor followership. It’s a personal responsibility thing.

That ought to end the thread... Very well said.

 

[1maGoh]

No they can’t even if it is true. But at the end of the day, nobody is responsible for you unless you are a child. And even good parents can have bad children.

Right. Unlike in business, parents (the leaders) can't fire their children. Politicians can't fire their constituents either. That doesn't absolve them of responsibility for good outcomes.

 

[Allen2McVay]

I personally would have isolated New York from the rest of the country early on ...

I get that, and it’s ironic.

After NYS got in front of the spread in June, it wanted to isolate from many states that were falling behind. Even put in self-quarantine guidelines and travel restrictions. Many of which are still in place.

 

[12intheBox]

Here is the rub ....

Are we allowed to acknowledge that differences in how we look at Covid can be politically driven?

I know we don’t talk politics here - but we all read between the lines. We all know the political leanings of most of the people who think Covid is somewhere in the overblown / hoax department. And we all know the political leanings of most of the people who think that we aren’t taking it seriously enough. Generalizations? Sure - but we have a pretty good sample size.

If we are all ok to acknowledge that basic stereotype - and knowing that stereotypes aren’t all encompassing - then let’s ask why? Is it lack of personal responsibility or is it the messaging and examples of our leadership?

Im willing to acknowledge that the left may be overblowing the whole thing because we have been tricked into fear. It’s plausible that we have gone too far - that we have “let the cure become worse than the disease”. I’m willing to acknowledge the possibility that I have been misled by the messaging I typically receive.

can those of you on the other side acknowledge that perhaps you aren’t taking it seriously enough because of where your messaging comes from?

 

[Dz1]

Here is the rub ....

Are we allowed to acknowledge that differences in how we look at Covid can be politically driven?

I know we don’t talk politics here - but we all read between the lines. We all know the political leanings of most of the people who think Covid is somewhere in the overblown / hoax department. And we all know the political leanings of most of the people who think that we aren’t taking it seriously enough. Generalizations? Sure - but we have a pretty good sample size.

If we are all ok to acknowledge that basic stereotype - and knowing that stereotypes aren’t all encompassing - then let’s ask why? Is it lack of personal responsibility or is it the messaging and examples of our leadership?

Im willing to acknowledge that the left may be overblowing the whole thing because we have been tricked into fear. It’s plausible that we have gone too far - that we have “let the cure become worse than the disease”. I’m willing to acknowledge the possibility that I have been misled by the messaging I typically receive.

can those of you on the other side acknowledge that perhaps you aren’t taking it seriously enough because of where your messaging comes from?

You're not wrong, it has become political, wear a mask ,you're a Dem,don't wear 1 you're a Rebuplic and imho that's BS.

 

[nighttrain]

I for sure don't know if its political, but i do know it should not be any kind of political issue; its a medical issue front and center
train

 

[Dz1]

I for sure don't know if its political, but i do know it should not be any kind of political issue; its a medical issue front and center
train

O there's no doubts it's become political for the most part,Jmho.

But I really agree on the Med issue, Big Time.

We shouldn't be divided, we should become 1.

 

[Ramhusker]

Here is the rub ....

Are we allowed to acknowledge that differences in how we look at Covid can be politically driven?

I know we don’t talk politics here - but we all read between the lines. We all know the political leanings of most of the people who think Covid is somewhere in the overblown / hoax department. And we all know the political leanings of most of the people who think that we aren’t taking it seriously enough. Generalizations? Sure - but we have a pretty good sample size.

If we are all ok to acknowledge that basic stereotype - and knowing that stereotypes aren’t all encompassing - then let’s ask why? Is it lack of personal responsibility or is it the messaging and examples of our leadership?

Im willing to acknowledge that the left may be overblowing the whole thing because we have been tricked into fear. It’s plausible that we have gone too far - that we have “let the cure become worse than the disease”. I’m willing to acknowledge the possibility that I have been misled by the messaging I typically receive.

can those of you on the other side acknowledge that perhaps you aren’t taking it seriously enough because of where your messaging comes from?

I think that definitely happens but there has been so many conflicting reports. I’m not sure how anyone could be settled on the facts concerning Covid. In my mind, there’s no doubt there are benefits of wearing masks, social distancing, and washing hands. It’s also very clear to me that Hydroxy can be very effective, that taking Zinc, NAC, Quercitin, Vitamin D and C can help tremendously and of course you’d like to think getting in better shape should help. But none of those things are absolutes. I have coworkers that are in excellent shape almost die from Covid and I have friends who are in terrible shape barely struggle with it. I see how so many inconsistencies with testing, with numbers, with symptoms, treatments, and outcomes can create skeptics. What I don’t understand is why when some treatments seemingly have benefits, they are instantly confronted with resistance. Quercitin, which is OTC is now suddenly being discussed about being taken off of that availability. Inconsistency seems to rule the day no matter where the messaging comes from now. My daughter’s close friend at college has tested positive. He was prescribed Hydroxy. He won’t take it because of politics. We are in a bad place in this country at the moment. Nobody has the right answers because NOBODY knows the right answers.

 

[12intheBox]

I think that definitely happens but there has been so many conflicting reports. I’m not sure how anyone could be settled on the facts concerning Covid. In my mind, there’s no doubt there are benefits of wearing masks, social distancing, and washing hands. It’s also very clear to me that Hydroxy can be very effective, that taking Zinc, NAC, Quercitin, Vitamin D and C can help tremendously and of course you’d like to think getting in better shape should help. But none of those things are absolutes. I have coworkers that are in excellent shape almost die from Covid and I have friends who are in terrible shape barely struggle with it. I see how so many inconsistencies with testing, with numbers, with symptoms, treatments, and outcomes can create skeptics. What I don’t understand is why when some treatments seemingly have benefits, they are instantly confronted with resistance. Quercitin, which is OTC is now suddenly being discussed about being taken off of that availability. Inconsistency seems to rule the day no matter where the messaging comes from now. My daughter’s close friend at college has tested positive. He was prescribed Hydroxy. He won’t take it because of politics. We are in a bad place in this country at the moment. Nobody has the right answers because NOBODY knows the right answers.

with a novel virus, answers are going to be scattered - and opinions - even expert opinions - will be everywhere.

If I got it, I would take what my doctor prescribed - although being honest, if that script were for HCQ I would probably seek a second opinion - simply because I have seen much about it. I would want whatever the mainstream medical professionals thought was the best medicine at the time it was prescribed - like POTUS got.

 

[Ramhusker]

with a novel virus, answers are going to be scattered - and opinions - even expert opinions - will be everywhere.

If I got it, I would take what my doctor prescribed - although being honest, if that script were for HCQ I would probably seek a second opinion - simply because I have seen much about it. I would want whatever the mainstream medical professionals thought was the best medicine at the time it was prescribed - like POTUS got.

And now some of those treatments are under fire so...........

 

[12intheBox]

And now some of those treatments are under fire so...........

because we are still learning. Which we want to do - right?

or are you thinking that science is poo pooing treatments that work for ..... why would they be doing that again?

 

[Ramhusker]

because we are still learning. Which we want to do - right?

or are you thinking that science is poo pooing treatments that work for ..... why would they be doing that again?

Good question. I’ve seen some things work and get trashed for........working. Marijuana comes to mind. But true that we are still learning. We know some things we didn’t know. That’s why a lot of 20/20 hindsight bitching about responses is futile at this point. The baby didn’t know the stove was hot until he touched it but got burned just the same.

 

[12intheBox]

Good question. I’ve seen some things work and get trashed for........working. Marijuana comes to mind. But true that we are still learning. We know some things we didn’t know. That’s why a lot of 20/20 hindsight bitching about responses is futile at this point. The baby didn’t know the stove was hot until he touched it but got burned just the same.

true that

 

[-X-]

can those of you on the other side acknowledge that perhaps you aren’t taking it seriously enough because of where your messaging comes from?

Nope. No matter what “he” would have told us to do, it would have been met with one of two responses.

1. Yeah, right. Fuck that guy.
2. Fuck yeah

Now think of the two possible ways he could have ‘guided’ people. One half will give response number one, and the other half would give response number two, no matter what the message was.

We have/had REAL experts all along the way telling us what to do. They weren’t hidden from view. The media was right in front of them the whole time too. They fucked this up in a HUGE way early on, and THAT is one of the biggest reasons why people aren’t completely down with any messaging about this right now. Don’t wear masks. Wear masks. HCQ doesn’t work. HCQ works. HCQ doesn’t work. Can’t get it from protests. Can absolutely get it from a rally. Casinos are alright. Churches aren’t. Can’t sing. Can yell. Social distancing is okay at Walmart. Social distancing on the beach should be a crime. Close schools. Open Daycare (wtf). Fast food is essential. Your job isn’t. Now your job is essential and the Government’s isn’t (clearly stated at the confirmation hearing).

it’s 110% political, and most people are fucking tired of it. ESPECIALLY those in the very low risk group who are out here everyday trying to scratch out a living. So does T have anything to do with my approach to any of this? Lol. No freaking way. And exactly everyone I know IRL is of the same exact opinion.