Covid 19 thread

[Pancake]

Masks don't work because most people are using masks that wouldn't work for anything anyway. Sweet ladies sewing together masks from pretty printed fabrics is a very nice thing to do but they don't protect you from virus droplets that are 70nm in size.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Masks don't work

That’s just not true.

 

[rdlkgliders]

All I know is I get tested 3x a week minimum, I understand density dependance of viral particles and am constantly emailed or in zoom meetings regarding the latest info.
I am ready to put all this behind me, The protocols have nearly doubled my labor times not to mention the amount of communication I need to do to just get someone into our facillity to drop off a package. We have a covid team with a retired military DR that saw SARS, MERS and the effects of the Kuwait oil feild fires. The threat is real. Take Pascals wager at the very least.
I wish all my ROD friends the best and thanks for letting me vent...

 

[RamBall]

Yeap and those 200 thousand plus dead believe you.

I've seen your prior post numbers and in no way do I buy your nonsense.

You can believe what ever you want, I prefer the truth personally. Why are we on pace to have less deaths in America this year then last year if covid has killed so many people that would have not died if they hadnt tested positive for covid?

 

[rdlkgliders]

Nope. No matter what “he” would have told us to do, it would have been met with one of two responses.

1. Yeah, right. Fuck that guy.
2. Fuck yeah

Now think of the two possible ways he could have ‘guided’ people. One half will give response number one, and the other half would give response number two, no matter what the message was.

We have/had REAL experts all along the way telling us what to do. They weren’t hidden from view. The media was right in front of them the whole time too. They fucked this up in a HUGE way early on, and THAT is one of the biggest reasons why people aren’t completely down with any messaging about this right now. Don’t wear masks. Wear masks. HCQ doesn’t work. HCQ works. HCQ doesn’t work. Can’t get it from protests. Can absolutely get it from a rally. Casinos are alright. Churches aren’t. Can’t sing. Can yell. Social distancing is okay at Walmart. Social distancing on the beach should be a crime. Close schools. Open Daycare (wtf). Fast food is essential. Your job isn’t. Now your job is essential and the Government’s isn’t (clearly stated at the confirmation hearing).

it’s 110% political, and most people are fucking tired of it. ESPECIALLY those in the very low risk group who are out here everyday trying to scratch out a living. So does T have anything to do with my approach to any of this? Lol. No freaking way. And exactly everyone I know IRL is of the same exact opinion.

Thanks X,

summed up my feelings really well,

My local hardware store is closed to never reopen yet Home Depot remained open the whole time. Oligarchy style politics.

I mostly gave up social media and my life has normalized for the most part. Amazingly when I am out in the world I find it isn't actually the Communists vs the Racists but mostly just people trying to make the best and normalize their lives the
best they can

 

[RamBall]

Sorry all that you posted doesn't mean anything.

Excuse after Excuse, doesn't explain why we have 20 percent of all Deaths and Infected., while only having 4.2 of the World's Population.

Btw I don't blame anyone person.

13% of the obese people in the world live in America even though we have only 4% of the world population. Since we know obesity and the health issues that come with it put people at the highest risk for complications if infected with covid the facts support what we have been stating.

 

[RamBall]

Here is the rub ....

Are we allowed to acknowledge that differences in how we look at Covid can be politically driven?

I know we don’t talk politics here - but we all read between the lines. We all know the political leanings of most of the people who think Covid is somewhere in the overblown / hoax department. And we all know the political leanings of most of the people who think that we aren’t taking it seriously enough. Generalizations? Sure - but we have a pretty good sample size.

If we are all ok to acknowledge that basic stereotype - and knowing that stereotypes aren’t all encompassing - then let’s ask why? Is it lack of personal responsibility or is it the messaging and examples of our leadership?

Im willing to acknowledge that the left may be overblowing the whole thing because we have been tricked into fear. It’s plausible that we have gone too far - that we have “let the cure become worse than the disease”. I’m willing to acknowledge the possibility that I have been misled by the messaging I typically receive.

can those of you on the other side acknowledge that perhaps you aren’t taking it seriously enough because of where your messaging comes from?

I agree it has been made political and it shouldnt be. American lives all matter regardless of which party or politician they support. It is funny if you watch MSNBC they make it appear that covid is going to kill us all. If you turn to FOXNEWS they talk about the treatments and how our numbers are improving as far as fatality rate. Total cases are always going to go up until we achieve herd immunity, however that happens whether its vaccine or through therapeutics. I did not ask any of the Drs or nurses, that I spoken with about covid, which party they support. But I do know they dont have any agenda or reason to lie about covid, and they all say covid is nothing to worry about if you are reasonably healthy. I'm not sure why that is so hard for some to understand, people keep bringing up the reported number of people that have died with covid as some kind of evidence that this is not true. So I will use the 10k or so that died of covid as proof that what my Drs told me is true. Covid itself is not that dangerous unless you are in poor health and in that case walking 2 flights of stairs can cause death, of course we blame it on the heart attack and not the over exertion that led to the heart attack.

 

[Pancake]

That’s just not true.

What's not true about what I said? Do you really believe a fabric that you can literally see holes in when you hold it up to a light is going to block particles as small as covid-19?

 

[XXXIVwin]

Nope. No matter what “he” would have told us to do, it would have been met with one of two responses.

1. Yeah, right. Fuck that guy.
2. Fuck yeah

Now think of the two possible ways he could have ‘guided’ people. One half will give response number one, and the other half would give response number two, no matter what the message was.

We have/had REAL experts all along the way telling us what to do. They weren’t hidden from view. The media was right in front of them the whole time too. They fucked this up in a HUGE way early on, and THAT is one of the biggest reasons why people aren’t completely down with any messaging about this right now. Don’t wear masks. Wear masks. HCQ doesn’t work. HCQ works. HCQ doesn’t work. Can’t get it from protests. Can absolutely get it from a rally. Casinos are alright. Churches aren’t. Can’t sing. Can yell. Social distancing is okay at Walmart. Social distancing on the beach should be a crime. Close schools. Open Daycare (wtf). Fast food is essential. Your job isn’t. Now your job is essential and the Government’s isn’t (clearly stated at the confirmation hearing).

it’s 110% political, and most people are fucking tired of it. ESPECIALLY those in the very low risk group who are out here everyday trying to scratch out a living. So does T have anything to do with my approach to any of this? Lol. No freaking way. And exactly everyone I know IRL is of the same exact opinion.

Ah, bull-pucky.

Dude, you know me well enough by now, you can probably make a decent guess as to what my counter-arguments will be...

Nope. No matter what “he” would have told us to do, it would have been met with one of two responses.

1. Yeah, right. Fuck that guy.
2. Fuck yeah

Now think of the two possible ways he could have ‘guided’ people. One half will give response number one, and the other half would give response number two, no matter what the message was.

Bullcrap. The responses aren't just "fuck yeah" or "fuck no." It's a spectrum. And for tens of millions of ardent followers, "his" example carries a HUGE amount of weight.

We have/had REAL experts all along the way telling us what to do. They weren’t hidden from view. The media was right in front of them the whole time too.

This is patently untrue. There have been dozens of times that Dr. Fauci was forbidden from appearing on news programs. For the last seven months, experts have been muzzled, discredited, sidelined, ignored.

They fucked this up in a HUGE way early on, and THAT is one of the biggest reasons why people aren’t completely down with any messaging about this right now. Don’t wear masks. Wear masks. HCQ doesn’t work. HCQ works. HCQ doesn’t work. Can’t get it from protests. Can absolutely get it from a rally. Casinos are alright. Churches aren’t. Can’t sing. Can yell. Social distancing is okay at Walmart. Social distancing on the beach should be a crime. Close schools. Open Daycare (wtf). Fast food is essential. Your job isn’t. Now your job is essential and the Government’s isn’t (clearly stated at the confirmation hearing).

Bullcrap. Experts have had WAY more unanimity than has been presented. A concerted months-long effort has been made to amplify the amount of so-called "confusion." Public confusion has always been the goal. "Flood the zone with shit", as one advisor put it, and that way we can force ppl to retreat into their tribal allegiances.

The goal has been to get ppl to think, "Well, we'd be screwed no mater what we did, because it's all so confusing." The ludicrous fake"debate" about HCQ is just one glaring example-- the "debate" dragged on needlessly for months and months, despite the unanimity of opinion form the scientific community. I could go through every other example you cited and explain how the experts have been consistent about each one, but I won't take the time.

So does T have anything to do with my approach to any of this? Lol. No freaking way. And exactly everyone I know IRL is of the same exact opinion.

Glad to hear that. Unfortunately, for tens of millions of other ppl, that is not the case.

It boggles my mind that anyone could argue that if "he" had been forcefully in favor of masks, for months on end, consistently, that wouldn't have made a huge difference in ppl taking this more seriously.

 

[RamBall]

Masks don't work because most people are using masks that wouldn't work for anything anyway. Sweet ladies sewing together masks from pretty printed fabrics is a very nice thing to do but they don't protect you from virus droplets that are 70nm in size.

This and the fact that the vast majority dont wear them properly or are constantly touching them to adjust them. Most people have their nose uncovered while wearing a mask in the grocery store, its not doing them any good and its not protecting me any. Yet they are applauded for their efforts while people that dont wear a mask at all are ridiculed. Both have the same effect as far as protection themselves or others. From day 1 I figured if I'm gonna get it I'm gonna get it, and I did. It was a little worse than I thought it would be, but not as bad as the flu is for most. We know much more today than we knew in March, lets use what we know and get back to life. Those that are in a known high risk group can and should do everything they can to prevent catching it.

 

[RamBall]

It boggles my mind that anyone could argue that if "he" hadn't been forcefully in favor of masks, for months on end, consistently, that wouldn't have made a huge difference in ppl taking this more seriously.

Americans love our freedom and I dont care who says I have to do something I dont want to do, I am not going to do it if I dont want to. Look at the states where Governors have made ridiculous demands, people are going to do what they want to.

 

[12intheBox]

Americans love our freedom and I dont care who says I have to do something I dont want to do, I am not going to do it if I dont want to. Look at the states where Governors have made ridiculous demands, people are going to do what they want to.

What about people who don’t want to pay taxes? Who don’t want to obey the law? Who don’t want to take up arms and defend our country when called upon to do so?

Freedom isn’t free.

 

[XXXIVwin]

ridiculous demands

Wear a mask in crowded places, and try to keep your distance. That’s it.

 

[XXXIVwin]

One leader is holding rallies that look like this:

...and the other isn’t.

Yes, leadership makes a difference.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Nope. No matter what “he” would have told us to do, it would have been met with one of two responses.

1. Yeah, right. Fuck that guy.
2. Fuck yeah

Now think of the two possible ways he could have ‘guided’ people. One half will give response number one, and the other half would give response number two, no matter what the message was.

We have/had REAL experts all along the way telling us what to do. They weren’t hidden from view. The media was right in front of them the whole time too. They fucked this up in a HUGE way early on, and THAT is one of the biggest reasons why people aren’t completely down with any messaging about this right now. Don’t wear masks. Wear masks. HCQ doesn’t work. HCQ works. HCQ doesn’t work. Can’t get it from protests. Can absolutely get it from a rally. Casinos are alright. Churches aren’t. Can’t sing. Can yell. Social distancing is okay at Walmart. Social distancing on the beach should be a crime. Close schools. Open Daycare (wtf). Fast food is essential. Your job isn’t. Now your job is essential and the Government’s isn’t (clearly stated at the confirmation hearing).

it’s 110% political, and most people are fucking tired of it. ESPECIALLY those in the very low risk group who are out here everyday trying to scratch out a living. So does T have anything to do with my approach to any of this? Lol. No freaking way. And exactly everyone I know IRL is of the same exact opinion.

And there it is, and it’s been there all along from my POV

Bravo Sir

so tired of rehashing my POV from so many pages back, it is what it is, this, this thing may just have surpassed the mother of all political weapons

what a completely broken down sad state our media has become

and now I’m really out

carry on

 

[-X-]

One leader is holding rallies that look like this:

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...and the other isn’t.

Yes, leadership makes a difference.

Imagine having a choice and exercising it.

Meanwhile there are thousands of protests day and night, with sporadic mask use, and that’s totally fine. “The other” not only champions that, but also endorses a fund that bails the criminal element out of jail after lawful arrest.

Damn right leadership makes a difference.

 

[-X-]

Bullcrap. The responses aren't just "fuck yeah" or "fuck no." It's a spectrum. And for tens of millions of ardent followers, "his" example carries a HUGE amount of weight.

No, it's absolutely not a spectrum. The Country is positioned at polar opposite ends of the political spectrum right now, and that's not even debatable.

This is patently untrue. There have been dozens of times that Dr. Fauci was forbidden from appearing on news programs. For the last seven months, experts have been muzzled, discredited, sidelined, ignored.

That actually made me laugh. I mean, literally. Fauci is more recognizable than any doctor in the history of doctors. The dude is on TV constantly, does countless interviews, has been on 60 minutes, is on EVERY media news outlet making statements, is in every single US media publication on the regular, was on the cover of TIME Magazine, was one of "the top 100 most influential people", and did an expose for In Style. He couldn't be silenced if you tore his lips off.

Bullcrap. Experts have had WAY more unanimity than has been presented. A concerted months-long effort has been made to amplify the amount of so-called "confusion."

Yeah, right. It wasn't self-inflicted at all.

January 31, 2020-
Trump locks down international travel - https://www.whitehouse.gov/presiden...ose-risk-transmitting-2019-novel-coronavirus/

February 02, 2020-
NY Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot says, "Join the parades! Don't listen to the misinformation from the POTUS." - https://www.amny.com/editorial/city-leaders-seek-to-allay-fears-of-coronavirus-in-chinatown/

February 02, 2020-
Chair of the NY Health Council Mark Levine suggests a huge crowd is powerful defiance against 'scare tactics' of the POTUS" - [link]

February 24, 2020-
Nancy Pelosi goes into Chinatown and tells people to join the crowd. - https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2...-nancy-pelosi-tours-san-franciscos-chinatown/

March 02, 2020-
Bill Deblasio urges New Yorkers to "Get out on the town despite coronavirus", and recommends some movies to see at the cinema. - [link]

March 10, 2020-
Fauci: "LOL! Stupid mask wearers."

April 03, 2020-
Schiff and Pelosi announce an investigation into Trump's handling of the coronavirus https://wbsm.com/here-come-pelosi-and-shifty-schiff-again-opinion/

It boggles my mind that anyone could argue that if "he" had been forcefully in favor of masks, for months on end, consistently, that wouldn't have made a huge difference in ppl taking this more seriously.

Don't know what to tell you. Be boggled then.

 

[SWAdude]

Nope. No matter what “he” would have told us to do, it would have been met with one of two responses.

1. Yeah, right. Fuck that guy.
2. Fuck yeah

Now think of the two possible ways he could have ‘guided’ people. One half will give response number one, and the other half would give response number two, no matter what the message was.

We have/had REAL experts all along the way telling us what to do. They weren’t hidden from view. The media was right in front of them the whole time too. They fucked this up in a HUGE way early on, and THAT is one of the biggest reasons why people aren’t completely down with any messaging about this right now. Don’t wear masks. Wear masks. HCQ doesn’t work. HCQ works. HCQ doesn’t work. Can’t get it from protests. Can absolutely get it from a rally. Casinos are alright. Churches aren’t. Can’t sing. Can yell. Social distancing is okay at Walmart. Social distancing on the beach should be a crime. Close schools. Open Daycare (wtf). Fast food is essential. Your job isn’t. Now your job is essential and the Government’s isn’t (clearly stated at the confirmation hearing).

it’s 110% political, and most people are fucking tired of it. ESPECIALLY those in the very low risk group who are out here everyday trying to scratch out a living. So does T have anything to do with my approach to any of this? Lol. No freaking way. And exactly everyone I know IRL is of the same exact opinion.