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btw.. .I think this week is going to be Cards first loss.
All week i assumed they were travelling to Cleveland for an early start but it's a weird Eastern late game. Cards catching a break there.
 

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All week i assumed they were travelling to Cleveland for an early start but it's a weird Eastern late game. Cards catching a break there.
No Jones, Hudson or Kingsbury. I feel like Browns will be a bad matchup this week.
 

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No Jones, Hudson or Kingsbury. I feel like Browns will be a bad matchup this week.
Tall order for sure but Murray is so difficult to defend now that he has more than one guy to throw to.
 

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Tall order for sure but Murray is so difficult to defend now that he has more than one guy to throw to.
Absolutely.
But I think Cleveland will have long drives.. keep the D fresh and actually hit Murray. Praying for a big Garrett game.
 

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Absolutely.
But I think Cleveland will have long drives.. keep the D fresh and actually hit Murray. Praying for a big Garrett game.
I don't' fret about the Cardinals.. They might beat the socks off of the Browns.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Cards smack the Browns down.

I only care that the Rams are able to win as many games as the Cardinals do up until their rematch in Arizona on December 13th, 2021.
 

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You DO know, lol. There is no comparison in terms of scouting between what the Rams have done vs AZ. The Rams have been plugging multiple FA losses every year with non-1st round picks for years, and maintained 4 straight winning seasons and playoff wins during that time. They traded premium picks for for Goff, Cooks, Ramsey & now Stafford. I may have missed some 1st rd trades in there.

Since 2017 the Rams haven't really made any huge FA splashes. Woods Watkins(?) and Whitworth early on if one wants to call those splashes...but after that? Dante Fowler? Leonard Floyd?

Also, not with just draft picks but UDFA. Rams have been killing it there since even before McV got here. The Cards have hit on a few draft picks very recently sure, but you know how Keim has primarily operated. I'd say a large % of your board knows how Keim has operated from one year to the next, plugging new holes with either FA's or bad draft picks or JAGS.

I'll ask you, based upon your roster as constructed this year and all the guys who will need to be re-signed...what is your team going to look like next year?

This 2021 Cards looks alot like the 2001 Diamondbacks to me...ALL IN, FUCK IT...which is outstanding if it works, but i don't see a plan beyond this year to be competitive and this is what separates the Cards from the Rams. According to the outsiders the Rams' method of roster building isn't sustainable. They've been regurgitating that since 2016 and i hear it from outsider fans as well. They aren't paying attention.
Yea, I do know. I’m looking at LA’s drafts since 2017 & the only picks that stick out to me are Kupp, Henderson, & SBJ. John Johnson III as well, but he’s not on the team anymore. Maybe Van continues to breakout & Fuller gets there, but he seems to have regressed to a JAG. Your best non-Donald players are Stafford, Ramsey, Whitworth, Woods, & Floyd. All FA/Trade acquisitions. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s just how I see it from my POV.

EDGE is the only key position that will possibly look different, but QB, WR1, LT, C, ILB, & pretty much the whole secondary are set. I don’t see it being *vastly* different next year.


I mean, as long as Kyler is here, it’s definitely not a “ALL IN, FUCK IT” year. It’s not like the 2015 Broncos where Peyton was literally on his last legs & the window shuts after that year. With Kyler, the window will remain for a long time. To be honest, with Stafford, I’d argue you guys are more in a win now mode than we are, not even factoring Donald is in his 30s(this probably doesn’t matter at all since he’s a machine & takes very good care of his body).
 

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Yea, I do know. I’m looking at LA’s drafts since 2017 & the only picks that stick out to me are Kupp, Henderson, & SBJ. John Johnson III as well, but he’s not on the team anymore. Maybe Van continues to breakout & Fuller gets there, but he seems to have regressed to a JAG. Your best non-Donald players are Stafford, Ramsey, Whitworth, Woods, & Floyd. All FA/Trade acquisitions. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s just how I see it from my POV.
I won't start naming all the guys you missed. The point is the Rams have been drafting without premium picks for going on five years now, and players they keep bringing in are good enough to maintain the overall team success. Plug ins. Talented and good fits for the system. Many of them start, some are depth guys of course, and when guys leave the drop off has been minimal if at all. These guys aren't stars, that's not what i'm saying.

If the scouting wasn't as good as it is and has been, the Rams aren't winning 10 or 11 games every year.

Few outside of Ram nation can really name anyone on our D the last few years besides Donald & Ramsey....or Whitworth on the OL. They're elite but two elite guys don't make an elite defense and the same with an elite LT. No one knows who our OL guys are, yet they're a very good unit and all drafted with the exception of RG Corbett. The names keep changing around AD & Ramsey yet it's been a pretty good defense for awhile. That's good scouting.

Since Gurley left, who was elite...the RB's just keep getting plugged into the system and they all have success. Who the Hell is Cam Akers and Darrell Henderson?

The core receivers have been Kupp, Woods and Higbee for awhile. Two draftees and an under the radar FA. They've drafted and plugged in other guys who've had some modest success playing behind the core guys. Josh Reynolds(who?) and now Jefferson who you mentioned. Gerald Everett was drafted, played well as a TE2 and then didn't get paid here. He hasn't been missed.

Some teams have a solid system entrenched within the organization and never really seem to fall off a cliff. Owner/GM/HC/QB. Consistency within those spots.

A down year might be 8-8 or 9-7 but rarely a complete faceplant. Baltimore, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, New England, Seattle come to mind. Seattle's once solid system has finally run its course IMO.

I feel like there are some teams that are just better at plugging in role players and JAG's than others. I happen to believe the Rams have moved into that realm now. Time will tell but i'd be shocked if this team face planted any time soon. Those were the days before Kroenke, Snead & McVay.

I think the Cards have been the polar opposite of teams like that under Keim. The role guys (3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, UDFA) aren't good enough or maybe not good fits.

Good luck tomorrow but don't win okay? :clinkingbeer:

Kind of a bloated response. Sorry.
 

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Yea, I do know. I’m looking at LA’s drafts since 2017 & the only picks that stick out to me are Kupp, Henderson, & SBJ. John Johnson III as well, but he’s not on the team anymore. Maybe Van continues to breakout & Fuller gets there, but he seems to have regressed to a JAG. Your best non-Donald players are Stafford, Ramsey, Whitworth, Woods, & Floyd. All FA/Trade acquisitions. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s just how I see it from my POV.

EDGE is the only key position that will possibly look different, but QB, WR1, LT, C, ILB, & pretty much the whole secondary are set. I don’t see it being *vastly* different next year.


I mean, as long as Kyler is here, it’s definitely not a “ALL IN, FUCK IT” year. It’s not like the 2015 Broncos where Peyton was literally on his last legs & the window shuts after that year. With Kyler, the window will remain for a long time. To be honest, with Stafford, I’d argue you guys are more in a win now mode than we are, not even factoring Donald is in his 30s(this probably doesn’t matter at all since he’s a machine & takes very good care of his body).
David Edwards, Brian Allen, Higbee, Gaines.. then we can look at UDFA players they acquired and developed.. Hollins, Williams & Reeder.
Lewis on the edge is good for now…
The Rams start 7 players they drafted on offense.
On defense they start 4 players they did not draft or acquire on waivers.
This isn't even counting depth that was drafted and/or developed by the Rams.
Quick snapshot.. 2017 draft, the Rams got more out if it without having a first round pick than the Cards did.
2018 Cards got Edmonds and Kirk.. and Rosen.
2018 Rams didn't have a first or second round pick.. and have Brian Allen and Sebastian Joseph Day and four more players on roster including quality backup LT Joe Noteboom.
2019 Cards hit the QB jackpot and get Murray.. Byron Murphy in second looks like a very nice player.. Andy Isabella has disappeared.. Zach Allen is.. a body. Hakeem Butler-gonzo. Deionte Thompson? Keesean Johnson? Lamont Gaillard? Joshua Miles? Dogbe is starting to play.. Caleb Wilson. Lotta picks.. not a lotta return after top two.
2019 Rams Taylor Rapp.. starter.. one dimensional. Darrell Henderson.. really nice player. David Long.. starter that got lit up by Cards, miscast on the outside. Slot corner. Bobby Evans.. Backup OL.. better at RT than guard. Greg Gaines high rotation/likely starter next year, quality IDL. David Edwards.. Stud starting guard. Nick Scott.. backup safety and high quality Special Teamer. Made pick to end Seahawks game. That's with a starting draft position at the end of the round.. Rams traded out of first, didn't have a second going into draft.
2020.. Isaiah Simmons.. has a lot of potential, but Rams are getting similar production out of Kenny Young for much, much less. Josh Jones.. he's starting. Leki Fotu hasn't done a thing. Rashard Lawrence is a body getting some PT. Evan Weaver? Gonzo. Benjamin is active, so that happened.
2020.. Rams.. again.. no first.. Cam Akers.. badass, unfortunately hurt. Van Jefferson.. solid contributor and starter. Terrell Lewis.. perpetual injury risk who is currently playing at a very high level. Terrell Burgess.. complete mystery after being injured rookie year. Bryce Hopkins.. .on the roster, but never active. Jordan Fuller... rookie starter and current starter and a captain. Clay Johnston.. gonzo.. Sam Sloman.. Gonzo... Tremayne Anchrum.. OL depth.

Didn't add.. Troy Reeder, Darious Williams and Justin Hollins... all waived or UDFA players the Rams got for nothing.
So.. add to all that that the Rams added Jalen Ramsey with first rounders.

The Rams are doing better when it comes to drafting and developing players.
I like the Cards draft this year, btw.. and I'm not saying the Cards are bad are drafting, just saying the Rams are better.
 

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I think the Cards catch a break here with their HC unable to attend the game.....
 

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I don't' fret about the Cardinals.. They might beat the socks off of the Browns.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Cards smack the Browns down.

I only care that the Rams are able to win as many games as the Cardinals do up until their rematch in Arizona on December 13th, 2021.
This game is the Cards 1st loss.
 

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as long as Kyler‘s here….
 

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They got SHORT-changed…should have gotten a full-sized QB for their money, lol!
 

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I told you @majrleaged I wouldn't be surprised if the Cards smacked down the Browns.

I never make bold statements that a top 5 team is going to get beat.

Hope you learned your lesson ;)
I can't believe how poorly the Browns played.
Then again.. they're the walking wounded right now.
 

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Biggest surprise for me with the Cards is that secondary. They're balling back there. Did not expect that.

That was a big win in Cleveland. I give the Cards full cred even though I also think the Rams have the pieces to beat them if they can get that defense unfucked. Here's hoping that unit keeps improving.
 

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I think this is an excellent trade for Arizona.

Granted, Ertz (31) has declined the past two seasons, and dealt with injuries. However, Philadelphia's offense and QB-play have also declined over that period. With defenses focused on Hopkins, Green and Murray's scrambling, Ertz will not garner much attention; and figures to be a top weapon for the Cardinals.

Even in his least productive seasons, Ertz's numbers were significantly better than Maxx Williams.

Williams was playing well before his injury but I think AZ has up-graded at TE.

More than anything else he's another locker room veteran. The two big off-season veteran additions have helped them a lot if you believe everything they're saying about it.

Think we gotta take that team serious at this point.
 

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I don't' fret about the Cardinals.. They might beat the socks off of the Browns.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Cards smack the Browns down.

I only care that the Rams are able to win as many games as the Cardinals do up until their rematch in Arizona on December 13th, 2021.
Unless we have a better record we will need to beat them by +17 points to win a tie break.