Black Monday and the Coaching Carousel

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Not a fan of "Black Monday" anymore.

Seems like a bunch of scapegoats being made, unsettling celebrations of people getting fired, and little actual necessary changes.
 

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He doesn't have the right players after 2 years and a selection of players from select trades, Fa pickups, and drafts? I don't see how the argument is he doesn't have to correct players in place to execute his game plan. These are the players they chose after two years and opening up the coffers of money and draft picks.

I can definitely hear the argument that players aren't executing as they should be. With that being said, it is your job as a DC, OC, or HC to compensate for the failings or the successes of your scheme and your jobs to adjust to those regardless of what you need to do to fix them.

I think it is pretty clear that we don't have the LBs we need. Imagine our D with the Cowboys ILBs (Smith and Vander Esch). With no other changes we would have a top 5 to top10 D.
 

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Jonathan Hayes off the Bengals' staff sounds like he could be a good get if Shane Waldron leaves.
Jonathan Hayes, himself an NFL tight end for 12 seasons, returns in 2018 for his 16th year as Bengals tight ends coach. He has had a player in the Pro Bowl in three of the last seven seasons, a span in which the Bengals have posted a 65-45-2 record, with five playoff appearances. Additionally, he has also worked in recent seasons to make the H-back position a key part of the Cincinnati offense.
https://www.bengals.com/team/coaches-roster/jonathan-hayes



Todd Monken might be good to have around?
I believe he’ll be a hot candidate for coordinator openings, and even could get an interview or two at the head-coaching level. His creativity and blending of college and pro concepts have more than a couple teams intrigued.
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“I like having fun,” Monken said at his introductory presser, via the Tampa Tribune. “I don’t know why it has to feel like such drudgery all the time.

“Who needs more 5-yard plays? How can we be explosive? That’s what the game is about, man. People like big plays. I like big plays.”
https://www.sbnation.com/2018/9/24/...buccaneers-offensive-coordinator-dirk-koetter


Maybe add Major Applewhite if Zac Taylor leaves -- let McV resurrect his career?
 

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After the embarrassment of Shanny on Sunday, maybe we offer an assistant OCoordinator to him after his firing? He could learn under the best!
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He doesn't have the right players after 2 years and a selection of players from select trades, Fa pickups, and drafts? I don't see how the argument is he doesn't have to correct players in place to execute his game plan. These are the players they chose after two years and opening up the coffers of money and draft picks.

I can definitely hear the argument that players aren't executing as they should be. With that being said, it is your job as a DC, OC, or HC to compensate for the failings or the successes of your scheme and your jobs to adjust to those regardless of what you need to do to fix them.
Don't forget we changed from a 4-3 to a 3-4 which was alot more of an overhaul. They chose to bring in two big names on the secondary and hope our young linebacker group would pan out.
My take one stud backer and this elevates the D to another level!
 

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I think it is pretty clear that we don't have the LBs we need. Imagine our D with the Cowboys ILBs (Smith and Vander Esch). With no other changes we would have a top 5 to top10 D.
Sorry, just posted this as well. Totally agree with you!!
 

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Rams were reaching out to get some help in here to assist HC McVay about a month ago. Maybe Jay Gruden would enjoy being the offensive assistant/consultant? to his recent OC back when things were going well for him:whistle:
"Hey Jay....I said WITH cream!! Details Jay, details"
 

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Not a fan of "Black Monday" anymore.

Seems like a bunch of scapegoats being made, unsettling celebrations of people getting fired, and little actual necessary changes.

It's the nature of the beast and I think how I felt through the years of the Rams making Coaching Changes:

1978....Tough for me only being 12 and was hoping the Rams hired Bill Walsh who was rumored as being Carroll Rosenbloom's "Under the Radar hire", but the Rams tried to go back to the future before it was Vogue and tapped George Allen, who lasted two preseason games before Rosenbloom saw the err's of his ways and replaced him with Ray Malavasi. So the Rams fired Chuck Knox and instead of Walsh or Allen now had Ray...I was not happy and always held it against Malavasi.

1983....Owner Georgia Frontiere shocked everyone going rogue and hiring USC's Head Coach John Robinson to be the Los Angeles Rams next field boss. Frontiere had just hired former University of Hawaii Athletic Director Ray Nagel as her new "Director of Football Operations." But did not allow him to interview anyone as he had interviews set up with Arizona State Head Coach Darryl Rogers....Georgia made the announcement on Valentines Day...Replacing Ray Malavasi who was fired by leaving a message. Happy with Robinson, felt they were classless on Malavasi.

1992....After a pretty good run by Robinson, it was time for a change and I was hoping for Mike Holmgren, who John Shaw had recommended to Madam Georgia, but she overruled him by saying that Carroll (Rosenbloom) always regretted letting Chuck Knox go and Georgia brought Knox back to Los Angeles as not only Head Coach, but also "President of Football Operations." I preferred Holmgren and felt the best the Rams could hope for was 9-7 under Knox, which never happened.

1995...After saying Good Bye to Chuck Knox and hello to the Gateway City, John Shaw actually hires a General Manager in Steve Ortmayer the former Raider and Charger boss. Shaw focusing on the move empowers Ortmayer to hire the next Head Coach. Rams lose out on Ray Rhodes and interview the likes of Ernie Zampese and a cast of castoffs including CFL Head Coach Don Matthews. Hoping for Gene Stallings of Alabama, who was beloved in St. Louis, the Rams go after Oregon Duck Coach Richie Brooks, who finally had one decent year in Eugene. Did not like the hire at all and Brooks coaching staff was even worse.

1997....John Shaw reclaims the perch and fires Ortmayer and Papa Smurf Brooks and finally does something right in his 30 years and hires Richard Albert "Dick" Vermeil and the next Head Coach of the St. Louis Rams and the stars align and the grace of God finally smiles down on the Ram organization and I was obviously ecstatic.

2000...Vermeil shocks everyone and decides to retire and the Rams name their Head Coach in waiting Mike Martz as the next Head Coach. Again I'm stoked as I believe Mike Martz will be to the St. Louis Rams, what Joe Gibbs was to the Washington Redskins... Just wish there was never a Larry Marmie.

2006....A dark day in St. Louis as the Rams move on from Mike Martz and passing on Ron Rivera, the Rams hire a surprise candidate in Viking Offensive Coordinator Scott Linehan. Linehan stammers and stutters through his first press conference and becomes know as Milquetoast Linehan as he can't command a locker room or motivate a Marine at a brothel. He is replaced by Jim Haslett after four games in 2008.

2009...Many of us are extremely upset as Jason Garrett is brought to the Gateway City for a tour of the facility, many scoff at the notion of a Red Headed Stepchild being the next Ram Head Coach and are relived when new GM Bill Devaney gets his way and hires New York Giants Defensive Coordinator Steve "Napoleon" Spagnuolo as the next Rams Head Coach...Spags then hires two Coordinators in Pat Shurmur (Offensive) and Ken Flajole (Defensive) who have never been Coordinators before. Spagnuolo proves to be more paranoid than Mike Martz and Martz actually won football games.

2012...There is joy in Mudville when the St. Louis Rams and Owner Stan Kroenke win a bidding war against the Miami Dolphins and owner Stephen Ross for the former Head Coach of the Tennessee Titans Jeffrey Michael Fisher. The Rams now have a proven Head Coach after hiring first time Head Coaches in Linehan and Spagnuolo....Fisher does quite a bit to restore the history at Rams park and infuse some talent before coming to his demise for not being able to hire an innovative offensive coordinator.
 

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After the embarrassment of Shanny on Sunday, maybe we offer an assistant OCoordinator to him after his firing? He could learn under the best!
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No joke, McVay and Shannahan would create a literal unstoppable offensive machine.
 

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It's the nature of the beast and I think how I felt through the years of the Rams making Coaching Changes:

1978....Tough for me only being 12 and was hoping the Rams hired Bill Walsh who was rumored as being Carroll Rosenbloom's "Under the Radar hire", but the Rams tried to go back to the future before it was Vogue and tapped George Allen, who lasted two preseason games before Rosenbloom saw the err's of his ways and replaced him with Ray Malavasi. So the Rams fired Chuck Knox and instead of Walsh or Allen now had Ray...I was not happy and always held it against Malavasi.

1983....Owner Georgia Frontiere shocked everyone going rogue and hiring USC's Head Coach John Robinson to be the Los Angeles Rams next field boss. Frontiere had just hired former University of Hawaii Athletic Director Ray Nagel as her new "Director of Football Operations." But did not allow him to interview anyone as he had interviews set up with Arizona State Head Coach Darryl Rogers....Georgia made the announcement on Valentines Day...Replacing Ray Malavasi who was fired by leaving a message. Happy with Robinson, felt they were classless on Malavasi.

1992....After a pretty good run by Robinson, it was time for a change and I was hoping for Mike Holmgren, who John Shaw had recommended to Madam Georgia, but she overruled him by saying that Carroll (Rosenbloom) always regretted letting Chuck Knox go and Georgia brought Knox back to Los Angeles as not only Head Coach, but also "President of Football Operations." I preferred Holmgren and felt the best the Rams could hope for was 9-7 under Knox, which never happened.

1995...After saying Good Bye to Chuck Knox and hello to the Gateway City, John Shaw actually hires a General Manager in Steve Ortmayer the former Raider and Charger boss. Shaw focusing on the move empowers Ortmayer to hire the next Head Coach. Rams lose out on Ray Rhodes and interview the likes of Ernie Zampese and a cast of castoffs including CFL Head Coach Don Matthews. Hoping for Gene Stallings of Alabama, who was beloved in St. Louis, the Rams go after Oregon Duck Coach Richie Brooks, who finally had one decent year in Eugene. Did not like the hire at all and Brooks coaching staff was even worse.

1997....John Shaw reclaims the perch and fires Ortmayer and Papa Smurf Brooks and finally does something right in his 30 years and hires Richard Albert "Dick" Vermeil and the next Head Coach of the St. Louis Rams and the stars align and the grace of God finally smiles down on the Ram organization and I was obviously ecstatic.

2000...Vermeil shocks everyone and decides to retire and the Rams name their Head Coach in waiting Mike Martz as the next Head Coach. Again I'm stoked as I believe Mike Martz will be to the St. Louis Rams, what Joe Gibbs was to the Washington Redskins... Just wish there was never a Larry Marmie.

2006....A dark day in St. Louis as the Rams move on from Mike Martz and passing on Ron Rivera, the Rams hire a surprise candidate in Viking Offensive Coordinator Scott Linehan. Linehan stammers and stutters through his first press conference and becomes know as Milquetoast Linehan as he can't command a locker room or motivate a Marine at a brothel. He is replaced by Jim Haslett after four games in 2008.

2009...Many of us are extremely upset as Jason Garrett is brought to the Gateway City for a tour of the facility, many scoff at the notion of a Red Headed Stepchild being the next Ram Head Coach and are relived when new GM Bill Devaney gets his way and hires New York Giants Defensive Coordinator Steve "Napoleon" Spagnuolo as the next Rams Head Coach...Spags then hires two Coordinators in Pat Shurmur (Offensive) and Ken Flajole (Defensive) who have never been Coordinators before. Spagnuolo proves to be more paranoid than Mike Martz and Martz actually won football games.

2012...There is joy in Mudville when the St. Louis Rams and Owner Stan Kroenke win a bidding war against the Miami Dolphins and owner Stephen Ross for the former Head Coach of the Tennessee Titans Jeffrey Michael Fisher. The Rams now have a proven Head Coach after hiring first time Head Coaches in Linehan and Spagnuolo....Fisher does quite a bit to restore the history at Rams park and infuse some talent before coming to his demise for not being able to hire an innovative offensive coordinator.

I really only know about from Linny to Sean McVay.

Linny - I was surprised too, I wanted Ron Rivera as well. I think he didn't want to be a HC at the time? Course I was in high school, and a moron at that.

Spags - loved it. I thought when he got his QB in Sam Bradford things were going to head in the right direction, and it did, slightly in 2010. I don't agree that it was the coordinator hires there were his downfall, it was the GM's inability to draft as well as Les Snead and Jeff Fisher, and them signing a bunch of old names (Brady Poppinga and friends) during the lockout year in 2011. Plus the STL got butthurt of petty things like pictures and the equipment manager ordeal, which probably contributed a lot to Spags' paranoia.

Jeff Fisher - was hesitant; but he won me over. I agree he brought in a lot of good players and made the Rams no longer a push over. Ever since he was hired, and to date, I never once tune in on Sunday thinking the Rams are just going to roll over.
 

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I really only know about from Linny to Sean McVay.

Linny - I was surprised too, I wanted Ron Rivera as well. I think he didn't want to be a HC at the time? Course I was in high school, and a moron at that.

Actually Rivera's first interview did not go well and John Shaw and Jay Zygmunt were shocked as Rivera did not really have a plan for offense as Rivera stated he would bring in Wade Wilson as his OC. Shaw & Zygmunt were more impressed with Linehan's plan for a DC in Jim Haslett, however, I don't understand how Scott Linehan could have ever interviewed well, considering how horrendous he was addressing the team in the locker room, at practices and his press conferences.

Rivera came back much stronger in his second interview and instead of thinking that Rivera had just come off coordinating for the Bears as DC in a playoff game, Shaw & Zygmunt had changed their mind as to the type of Head Coach they wanted as initially, they wanted a Defensive Coach, but felt it was easier to find a prominent DC then a prominent OC and thus went with the Linehan/Haslett combo, which was a grave mistake.
 

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5 NFL Head Coaches That Could Be Fired on Black Monday
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5. Steve Wilks, Arizona Cardinals
Rumors of a one-and-done put Steve Wilks on the hot seat in Arizona, as he failed to move the Cardinals forward this season. Wilks was supposed to light a fire under this team, following the departure of HC Bruce Arians, but instead secured one of the top picks in the 2019 NFL Draft for Arizona behind an up-and-down season for rookie QB Josh Rosen.

4. Vance Joseph, Denver Broncos
The theory in Denver was that they'd return to the NFL playoffs once they had a quarterback. This past offseason, the Broncos signed QB Case Keenum to a fat sum of money to ensure that, and instead the team will be on the outside looking in for the second straight season under Vance Joseph. He likely won't be having the time of his life when he gets to the office on Monday.

3. Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals
Following their Week 17 contest, the Bengals will finally do what they should've done years ago. It's not that Marvin Lewis is a bad coach, as he had successful seasons in Cincinnati, but there's simply no future with him there. This team has never won a playoff game in his 16 seasons as the team's head coach and failed to make the postseason in the last three. It's just time for Lewis to go.

2. Todd Bowles, New York Jets
In four seasons as the New York Jets head coach, Todd Bowles has only had one winning season, and that came in his first year with the team. No one expected the New York Jets to make the postseason this year, but with three consecutive seasons with five wins or less, New York will likely look to instill a winning culture without their current head coach.

1. Dirk Koetter, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
The Tampa Buccaneers have been a dumpster fire this season, at almost every organizational level, from the front office to the coaching staff to the play on the field. From going back and forth between quarterbacks to disgruntled players left and right, to the abundance of losing, it's time for a change at the top in more ways than one and that includes head coach Dirk Koetter. He has had multiple reported disagreements with players and just cant seem to get that locker room in the place it needs to be to win games.

https://www.sportsaldente.com/nfl-coaches-on-the-firing-line-for-black-monday/

NFL Coaches On The Firing Line For Black Monday
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Another NFL season is coming to a close as Black Monday firings are looming. The NFL is a cold, high-stakes business and no head coach escapes keeping his job without winning. The fact of the matter is NFL head coaches face the harsh reality between winning and losing. Every season professional football coaches land on the hot seat.

As a season unfolds, some coaching seats get hotter and some cool off. Any perennial losers will eventually end up on the outside looking in. The NFL coaching shelf life is alive and well in a league notorious for a reset or reallocation. Each NFL owner has his set of parameters and expectation while overseeing his organization.

All 32 owners operate with a bottom line business model. To sum it up it sometimes boils down to a profit versus loss margin. A head coach’s job performance plays an intricate roll in boosting organizational revenue.

Let’s take a look at some pros and cons of head coaching terminations, and the consideration to retain a coach based on his overall job performance. Here are the top ten coaches who are borderline to lose their job on Monday.

Heat Index – Temperature (°F) 80 – 120
NFL Coaches With A Probability Of Being Fired On Black Monday

A Coach Who Lacks A Bonafide Strategy On Offense

(1) Adam Gase – Miami 97 (°F) – Miami Dolphins head coach Adam Gase cannot and will not right the ship with the Dolphins, ever. No matter how much time owner Steven Ross gives him, the team will continue to underachieve.

Ross has promised sweeping change within his organization. The team is talented but has regressed with Gase as head coach. Ross hired Gase at the young age of 38 years old as a long-term solution to an NFL legacy franchise.

Gase’s record is 23-24 for a winning percentage of .489 in three years. He convinced Ross to spend ten million dollars by signing retired quarterback Jay Cutler. The experiment turned out to be a disaster with Cutler collecting his money and moving on.

His biggest blunder was sending ex-fins running back Jay Ajayi packing, which was a gift to Ajayi. The bruising running back went on to win a Super Bowl with the Philadelphia Eagles last season.

In the event Gase survives and keeps his job, his seat will get even hotter in 2019.

A Lack Of Stability At The Quarterback Position

(2) Dirk Koetter – Tampa Bay 95 (°F) – Dirk Koetter‘s seat is hot at 5-10. The Buccaneers head coach probably will not survive the carnage of this season with an overall 19-28 record. He has a .402 winning percentage in three years.

Koetter has weathered countless setbacks this season. Bucs star QB, Jameis Winston has created many unnecessary distractions with his immature behavior. He benched Winston after a league suspension and started journeyman quarterback, Ryan Fitzpatrick.

The Bucs have good talent, but the disturbances from Winston caused a great deal of inconsistent performance for the offense. Koetter once said every player on the field deserved a firing including himself after a Bucs loss to the Chicago Bears in Week 4.

Well, he might get his wish soon.

A Proud Western New York Fanbase Running Out Of Patience

(3) Sean McDermott – Buffalo 93 (°F) – Buffalo Bills Head Coach Sean McDermott‘s chair is warming. But most media outlets have under-reported his job status. The team has underachieved on both sides of scrimmage under McDermott’s watch in two years.

Buffalo has some of the most loyal fans in pro football, second only to maybe the Green Bay Packers. His record is 14-17 with a winning percentage of .442. There have been rumors circulating all over the web to fire McDermott.

His decision last season to bench Bills veteran signal caller Tyrod Taylor in favor of fifth-round QB, Nathan Peterman proved disastrous. The Bills rookie QB threw five first-half interceptions with one for a pick-six against the Los Angeles Chargers.

Not Delivering On Time With A Half-Empty Stadium

(4) Jay Gruden – Washington 84 (°F) – Let’s face it and be realistic that Washington Redskins Head Coach Jay Gruden seat is heating up. One thing for sure is that owner Daniel Snyder has given Gruden five years to return his team to Super Bowl contention.

Gruden is a talented offensive mind, and he can coach, but the lack of capturing the NFC East leaves him open for scrutiny. His record is 35-42 for a .449 winning percentage. The Redskins looked solid were on a winning streak and poised to win the NFC East. Then QB Alex Smith suffered a broken leg in Week 11.

Gruden might secure his job with a win against the Philadelphia Eagles, which will even his record at 8-8.

A Storm Is Brewing In Charlotte

(5) Ron Rivera – Carolina 82 (°F) – A change in team ownership could be the X-factor whether Panthers Head Coach Ron Rivera will keep his job. Rivera has enjoyed a great deal of success making the playoffs four times, including a Super Bowl appearance. He is a good coach but has been unable to produce back-to-back winning seasons. Or control the NFC South consistently enough.

Rivera’s record is 6-9 sitting in third place in the mediocre NFC South. A 6-10 finish could force new owner David Tepper to remove Rivera as the Panthers head coach.

One thing is for sure is Rivera will land another NFL head coaching job.

Top Five Black Monday Imminent Firing Predictions

Lost In The Big Apple

(1) Todd Bowles – New York 120 (°F) – New York Jets Head Coach Todd Bowles is destined to be fired, with a 4-11 season in 2018. He has compiled a 24-39 record in four years which left him with a .381 winning percentage.

The Jets are not getting better but progressively worse every year. Based on his blank stare sideline demeanor in games, he has no solution to the formula of building a consistent winning team.

From the looks of it, Bowles will not coach the Jets in 2019.

Climbing A Mile High But Never Reaching The Crest

(2) Vance Joseph – Denver 120 (°F) – Denver Broncos Head Coach Vance Joseph has coached uphill for two years without all the dots lining up. The Broncos have one of the best defenses in the NFL. But Joseph is another defensive-minded coach, who struggles to put together a solid offense.

His overall record at 11-20 for a .355 win percentage speaks volumes on several fronts. The Broncos offense is talented but has not developed into the high scoring machine, as expected.

Broncos team president John Elway signed Case Keenum to add stability due to inconsistent play at the quarterback position. Unfortunately for Joseph, the offense made little improvement.

The Broncos face the 11-4 Chargers with a 6-9 record in Week 17. Even if the Broncos win against the Chargers, Joseph is not expected to keep his job.

A Roller Coaster Ride For The Ages

(3) Marvin Lewis – Cincinnati 120 (°F) One dubious record sums up Head Coach Marvin Lewis of the Cincinnati Bengals. Try not winning a playoff game in sixteen years. And yes it seals Lewis’s legacy and fate if he is fired or walks away.

How has Lewis defied the law of averages to keep his job so long? The answer is he enjoys a special relationship with the Bengals owner Mike Brown. That’s the only logical reasoning he was not fired after five years.

Lewis has survived the NFL rigors and earned some credit, but he always comes up short in the postseason. His career record is 131-121 which brings some solace to his long journey. Chances are he will throw in the towel after this season to move on.

A Short Stay In The Desert

(4) Steve Wilks – Arizona 110 (°F) Arizona Cardinals rookie HC Steve Wilks inherited an uninspiring team from ex-Cards coach Bruce Arians. Wilks first rodeo resulted in a record of 3-12 to date. The Cardinals rank dead last in every NFL statistical category imaginable.

All-Pro Cardinals cornerback Patrick Peterson wants out of Arizona due to the perennial losing. Star receiver Larry Fitzgerald is still a solid performer, but the team continues to spiral in a free fall downward. It’s hard to imagine Wilks could turn things around if given another year.

Cardinals owner Bill Bidwill is not happy with the team’s performance and is having buyer’s remorse, so he is ready to fire Wilks.

Jaguars Players Protecting Their Own Interests

(5) Doug Marrone – Jacksonville 115 (°F) The Jacksonville Jaguars Head Coach Doug Marrone‘s team was an 18-1 favorite in the AFC in 2018. Now the Jaguars are 5-10, after dropping eight consecutive games. The biggest The question is whether Marrone who is 16-17 in three years has lost control of his team moving forward.

The Jaguars came within one game of reaching the Super Bowl in 2017, and what a difference a season can make with such a talented squad. Jags QB Blake Bortles was benched in a Week 7 game against the Houston Texans for poor play.

The biggest embarrassment is when the Tennessee Titans running back Derrick Henry gashed the Jaguars defense for a record 238 yards on 17 carries and four touchdowns. Jaguars players looked timid and afraid to tackle Henry. And they gave up on the running play as Henry violently stiff-armed three defenders to the ground en route to a touchdown.

Jaguars owner Shahid Khan will decide whether to retain Marrone for another year.
 

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Khan is sticking with Marrone and Caldwell.

Not a bad call. Didn't like the Marrone hiring originally, but he's done some good things with non-optimum QB play.
 

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Koetter being fired after all the owner @$$ he kissed in the media is very entertaining to me. Effin suckup. Cannot stand that dude.