Back up offense lineman?

[So Ram]

As of the moment the Rams/ Kromer let the Rams swing OT Darrell Williams since 2015 UN-tendured = did not offer him a contract so DW is now a UFA on the open market. At this time he remains unsigned. In reference to OT Cornelius Lucas your statement is true but his current status is he is no longer under contract with the Rams & is officially a UFA & able to sign with any NFL team he desires.

Your assessment on GRob was on target & outstanding! I could not agree with you more.

Your comments on Rodger Saffold was excellent too. It will always be extremely difficult for a college LT to enter the NFL & start..... let alone play very well enough to be awarded & named All-Rookie by Pro Football Weekly and the Pro Football Writers of America…finished the season as the only NFL rookie to start all of his team’s games at left tackle in 2010 ...allowing only three sacks in 590 pass attempts according to Statspass.com.

Saffold entered the NFL with his weight was around 310 lbs & was lean & nimble, but after his rookie season he got big, then bigger & thus AKA Bettlejuice was heard on this forum. Saffold put on some serious muscle & pounds around 2013 season & was moved to RT & then RG by Fisher/Boudreau being over 335 pounds at times....as he grew his ability to dance diminished. From what little I saw & read last season Saffold is no longer Bettlejuice looking & his listed poundage is back down to 320-325 range.

The 29 yr old Saffold will earn a near 8 million this season. After seeing what an aging 36 yr old LT like Andrew Whitworth will be paid this season a near 13 million.....plus what UFA Nate Solder who is the same age as Saffold was paid ( signed a four year, $62 million contract with the Giants on March 14, 2018. Solder received $34.8 million in full guarantees) I bet you Saffold is thinking that with his 8 yrs of experience now he could retune himself & then sell the NFL as a able starting LT again & win a sizeable pay elsewhere in 2019 & beyond.

I call BS on Roger Saffold playing OT at all !!
—Right now he is a All/Pro type OG. He will get paid if he keeps healthy.

Even when Whitworth got hurt your not going to lessen the team at 2 positions with one player hurt.

I have to laugh at people saying that the offense of line needs time to become a unit & then throw that all away. Sullivan & Saffold are comfortable playing next to each other. The left side has veteran cohesiveness .

We both have a difference of opinion. You were really high on Andrew Donnell even more so than Jamon Brown as a Tackle.

I’m not sure if Kromer is going to settle in with both those guys again.He did give them that experience. Saffold did not. He is flat out a LG IMO !! You could be right , but until otherwise have a serious different opinion.Saffold playing OT next season as a FA ??? Plus getting paid big $$$ would be a Lise Lise for the team & himself.
He is still Yolked Up. DW played better LT than Saffold.

—Lucas is listed on The Rams roster , but DW is not was thinking Lucy’s might have signed ?
So The Rams only have 1 Tackle on there roster in Dunn & and Tackle is not The number 1 position of Need ?

—You always make solid post reply’s & respect your out look.I just post my thoughts.

 

[So Ram]

Great post.

My question? Do you think G Rob would have been okay if he stayed learning a year and only worried about the LT position? Something tells me he would of been average to pretty good if this happened. It seemed like he got overwhelmed mentally and technique=wise because he couldn't simply just overpower people with his size and strength like he did all the way up till college.

Probably caught him by surprise.

GREG ROBINSON was not even going to Beat our Jamin Brown out at RT.
—Darrell Williams was more coach able.Kromer wanted nothing more to do with him !!! He was going to get straight out CUT & The Rams would have eaten his contract.
Greg Robinson was a Cancer. Look what happened to THe Rams After he was Placed off The game day roster !!

Roger Saffold had no respect for him st the end.
—Where is Greg Robinson now ?

 

[Corbin]

As to getting O-Linemen in the draft I really feel we need to at the very least find a good back up/developmental LT/RT/swinger in this draft and I can name 4 off the top of my head that seem pretty damn solid between the 3rd to 6th rounds for Kromer to work on for a season and a half.

In the middle I'm pretty comfortable with Blythe at C, Guard positions we might need to address since contracts coming up etc. Going to be interesting what we do with Saffold. I've had a love-hate-hate-love relationship with the guy! Sound familiar to anybody's relationships gents? lol I really think mentally he was the awareness to stay un-hurt there at the LG/RG positions. I can relate because as a RB you naturally map people, direction, speed, impending collisions, clear paths etc. you map out in your mind in a crowded situation i.e. concert crowds or malls or whatever.

I'm really split with Saffold to keep him/extend him or let him go tbh.

 

[Corbin]

GREG ROBINSON was not even going to Beat our Jamin Brown out at RT.
—Darrell Williams was more coach able.Kromer wanted nothing more to do with him !!! He was going to get straight out CUT & The Rams would have eaten his contract.
Greg Robinson was a Cancer. Look what happened to THe Rams After he was Placed off The game day roster !!

Roger Saffold had no respect for him st the end.

Ummm are you challenging my post or supporting it? Or just pointing something out? I'm confused..?

 

[pmil66]

The Rams, or any other team, have signed Williams or Lucas as of today. Both had starts at the end of the year, every team is looking for backup OL, but yet neither are signed. Looks like all teams, including the Rams, think they can find better tackles in the draft. Not excited about going back to either.

Rams have no backup Guards on the roster. Neary & Eldrenkamp are back, both seems to receive more snaps at C than G last year. Blythe is back to back up Sullivan. Dunn was resigned, he may fit in somewhere.

Sure looks like the Rams are looking to bring in 3 OL at minimum, 2 Tackles and 1 Guard in the upcoming draft. Need to find depth, and develop it pretty quickly too, with Saffold, Brown & Havenstein contracts up.

 

[So Ram]

As to getting O-Linemen in the draft I really feel we need to at the very least find a good back up/developmental LT/RT/swinger in this draft and I can name 4 off the top of my head that seem pretty damn solid between the 3rd to 6th rounds for Kromer to work on for a season and a half.

In the middle I'm pretty comfortable with Blythe at C, Guard positions we might need to address since contracts coming up etc. Going to be interesting what we do with Saffold. I've had a love-hate-hate-love relationship with the guy! Sound familiar to anybody's relationships gents? lol I really think mentally he was the awareness to stay un-hurt there at the LG/RG positions. I can relate because as a RB you naturally map people, direction, speed, impending collisions, clear paths etc. you map out in your mind in a crowded situation i.e. concert crowds or malls or whatever.

I'm really split with Saffold to keep him/extend him or let him go tbh.

Saffold even when hurt said he would out play his contract. I was not a true believer , but kept him on his word. He is playing at a Pro Bowl level at LG. There is no way you move him from that spot.It’s like moving Sullivan to guard. You don’t do it.

Austin Blythe was TE swing OG & Center.
There were a couple games that got scary & at that point have to pencil in players.
- Kromer elected t keep the starters in there place & bring in bench layers to fill in.

—This is the sample size I have. BonifayRam will have the full stats. He is good at that. I’m just going off my whacked mind.

 

[Corbin]

Saffold even when hurt said he would out play his contract. I was not a true believer , but kept him on his word. He is playing at a Pro Bowl level at LG. There is no way you move him from that spot.It’s like moving Sullivan to guard. You don’t do it.

Austin Blythe was TE swing OG & Center.
There were a couple games that got scary & at that point have to pencil in players.
- Kromer elected t keep the starters in there place & bring in bench layers to fill in.

—This is the sample size I have. BonifayRam will have the full stats. He is good at that. I’m just going off my whacked mind.

Bro you making random points in almost all your posts.

Where exactly did I say to move Saffold? or anybody else for that matter? and as per my previous post in NO WAY did I say G Rob was above average and your posts basically is discounting that which there is no argument to that point that he sucked. It's like you post random stuff about subjects that aren't being supported by the poster you quote.

 

[So Ram]

Ummm are you challenging my post or supporting it? Or just pointing something out? I'm confused..?

All of the above !! It depends on the statement.
Yes The Rams need a swing OT & in Kromer we Trust.

Last year when The Rams traded back for Everett & got John Johnson out of the deal. I was all for it.
Snead /McVay said Kromer was comfortable with The Lineman The Rams had & no one in the draft was much better than.

This year there is no depth at all at OT !!

 

[So Ram]

Bro you making random points in almost all your posts.

Where exactly did I say to move Saffold? or anybody else for that matter? and as per my previous post in NO WAY did I say G Rob was above average and your posts basically is discounting that which there is no argument to that point that he sucked. It's like you post random stuff about subjects that aren't being supported by the poster you quote.

I was going off a post reply to yours.
Sorry if I’m off point to much, but those are still my beliefs.

It has become even more clear The Rams need to take the best OT available early!!!

I do love trade backs if there is a OT or player available later.

I guess though with Today’s Drafts Rookie Salary Numbers are of Great Value !! So Drafting A LT of the future in The First Rd Gives a Team the option for The 5th Year.

—What is The Franchise Value by position ??
QB is huge right not after Cousins.

Tru Johnson up’d the CB postion.

I’ve always believed a LT is High Valye either way.—The thing though is it is a tough position to come in & learn as a rookie. That is why I think this is the draft The Rams need to pull the trigger on drafting a OT.

 

[Corbin]

This year there is no depth at all at OT !!

That I disagree with. There might not be a lot or several top end OL prospects as other years but there is more than a few OL prospects that could be very good value in the second to 6th rounds. Obviously we aren't looking for starters but depth and future starting capability.

 

[So Ram]

That I disagree with. There might not be a lot or several top end OL prospects as other years but there is more than a few OL prospects that could be very good value in the second to 6th rounds. Obviously we aren't looking for starters but depth and future starting capability.

Totally agree !! Kromer will know what is best !

Your right as well with The Rams have Whitworth.Is signed for 2 more years to play LT.
The draft board is always revolving.The Rams don’t a 2nd rd pick though. If Lucas is not even signed & Only have Dunn as a Tackle your going to want the Best Swing OT you can get.

If you look at The Big 5 they stayed healthy, but that extra OT is Huge !!

No one is saying this , but look at The Rams roster last season. Plus in the future as well.

If you have better Offensive Lineman at depth you don’t have an Offensive line by Numbers, meaning less players at that position on the roster.

Meaning more special teams & athletes.

 

[So Ram]

The Rams, or any other team, have signed Williams or Lucas as of today. Both had starts at the end of the year, every team is looking for backup OL, but yet neither are signed. Looks like all teams, including the Rams, think they can find better tackles in the draft. Not excited about going back to either.

Rams have no backup Guards on the roster. Neary & Eldrenkamp are back, both seems to receive more snaps at C than G last year. Blythe is back to back up Sullivan. Dunn was resigned, he may fit in somewhere.

Sure looks like the Rams are looking to bring in 3 OL at minimum, 2 Tackles and 1 Guard in the upcoming draft. Need to find depth, and develop it pretty quickly too, with Saffold, Brown & Havenstein contracts up.

Yeah - for some reason I was thinking Lucas was signed because he is listed on the roster.
—wondering if there is a FA in mind either ?

If Williams is a restricted FA though it means The Rams can still match any offer. They might be waiting until the time is right(after the draft or signed by another team ) to make it there move either way.

The more options the better.

The Rams needed a TE going into last years draft. I knew that was going to be there pick if choice with no TE experience except Tyler Higbee.

Right now The Rams have a 1st rd pick. Les Snead has always gone BTA by position of a need.

Aaron Donald was an exception.

 

[Corbin]

Just for you guys wondering here are the percentage chances of landing a starting offensive linemen for any given round. Helps you to wrap your head around what the statistics say.

Offensive Line
Let's look at one of our biggest areas to fix. Offensive line is typically one of the safest positions to draft because the success rate is greater than almost all the other positions.

• Of the 421 players drafted, 147 wound up as starters for at least half their career.

• The first round has an 83% success rate. The second round is almost as good with 70%. Even the third and fourth aren't too shabby in comparison to success rates of other positions in the same rounds. (3rd - 40%, 4th - 29%).

• The later round success rates hold up well (5th and 6th - 16%, 7th - 9%) but the numbers are driven down due to the higher numbers selected later.

• On average, 5 linemen are drafted in the first round. The first and second rounds, on average, draft the fewest offensive linemen.

• If you were ranking rounds by the numbers drafted it would run 7th, 6th, 5th, 4th, 3rd, 1st, 2nd

For all of you pro offensive line with the first pick, the low "bust" factor plays to your advantage. Although it can be countered that there is a pretty high success rate later on in comparison with other positions. This would support the argument that you can wait some and still have a good chance of succes.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Great post.

My question? Do you think G Rob would have been okay if he stayed learning a year and only worried about the LT position? Something tells me he would of been average to pretty good if this happened. It seemed like he got overwhelmed mentally and technique=wise because he couldn't simply just overpower people with his size and strength like he did all the way up till college.

Probably caught him by surprise.

I can’t recall who it was but they said GRob was more concerned with rap lyrics than he was about football.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

No look at the NEw Orleans game,Senior Bowl, & last preseason game. As well as any other game he has played. His size & catch radius fantastic.

Tavon should get a full of season.

All 3 of these guys didn’t get full offseasons with McVay this year all 3 should be very much improved.

I’m not saying a WR should not be the pick either.Will see how McVay structures his 53 this season.Last year it was WR heavy. This season could be TE heavy ?
Even OL?

The dream of Tavon being great has been over for a few years. Regarding Reynolds: McVay said it remains to be seen, when asked if Reynolds will be able to take over Sammy’s position. To me that sounds like he doesn’t think he can.

Watch Reynolds highlights. He made great contested catches, He didn’t get good separation in those highlights. If he can’t do it against college DBs how will he do it against the pros?

McVay has had two top receivers to play the deep threat role. DeSeanJackson and Sammy Watkins. Tavon, Reynolds, and Thomas are not comparable. I think McVay won’t want to go into camp with uncertainty about anyone stepping up. It’s win now mode. All the cards on the table.

 

[Soul Surfer]

(let) the draft come to The Rams.

Always.

Trading up gave us players like Tavon.
Maybe trading up if the draft goes "dry" of players you need after the third round or so.

AND NO PROJECTS BEFORE THE 4th ROUND!!!!

 

[So Ram]

The dream of Tavon being great has been over for a few years. Regarding Reynolds: McVay said it remains to be seen, when asked if Reynolds will be able to take over Sammy’s position. To me that sounds like he doesn’t think he can.

Watch Reynolds highlights. He made great contested catches, He didn’t get good separation in those highlights. If he can’t do it against college DBs how will he do it against the pros?

McVay has had two top receivers to play the deep threat role. DeSeanJackson and Sammy Watkins. Tavon, Reynolds, and Thomas are not comparable. I think McVay won’t want to go into camp with uncertainty about anyone stepping up. It’s win now mode. All the cards on the table.

Will see how things go ? The Rams need another TE,WR, & RB for training camp.

I still think & good swing tackle of the future at least is neede in order to keep extra WR’s.

 

[Mackeyser]

I can’t recall who it was but they said GRob was more concerned with rap lyrics than he was about football.

Greg Robinson aka Biggie Fails...

 

[Soul Surfer]

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—I think Les Snead really put himself into a bad spot by having to rebuild the offensive line.

I ca almost guarantee you that was Fishers dumb-ass move.

He thought Boudreau was a miracle worker instead of a burnout.

Actually when fish arrived we had a slightly above offensive line that just needed Cordy Glenn inserted.

Instead they went Brian Quick? Ouch.

 

[Soul Surfer]

I believe Big Rob Havenstein was a little bit of a reach ? He has been solid , & did trade back to get him.

A late second-rounder for a 10-year stud right tackle?

I think he was a great pick.

He's starting to make a name for himself in this league since he's been healthy and that's why he's been rumored as part of the OBJ trade to the Giants.

But he's a right tackle only in my opinion and falls a little short physically of being a left tackle.
Particularly in his slowish footwork.