Are Electric Vehicles This Next Decade’s E-Book?

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Are Electric Vehicles This Next Decade’s E-Book?

In 2019, it’s difficult to find an auto manufacturer or transportation expert who isn’t predicting an explosion in the popularity and sales of electric vehicles in the 2020s — but what if they’re all wrong?

In 2010, another ascendant “e” technology had bookstores and publishers on edge.

According to industry experts and casual observers, the e-book was on the riseand it was coming to replace hardcovers and paperbacks and lay waste to bookstores across America.

In exchange for its higher upfront price, an e-reader promised its users greater portability (storing thousands of titles) and the ability to save money over the long run since e-books were cheaper to acquire than their paperback or hardcover counterparts.

The Kindle, which ushered in the e-book revolution, had just launched its third-generation model in 2010 and sales were up dramatically from the year prior.

Borders, already worried about falling sales in its physical stores as a result of competition from Amazon, made its e-books available on the Kobo e-readerearlier that same year.

Barnes and Noble’s NOOK would debut just one year later in 2011.

It seemed as if every large bookstore chain was moving from print to digital. The success of the Kindle had proven that e-books were popular among readers and not just a niche product.

Further, experts like Nicholas Negroponte, founder of the Media Lab at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, were boldly predicting the demise of all physical books within just five years.

Everywhere you looked in 2010, the signs pointed to a digital publishing future centered around e-books. Pundits pointed to the music industry and said if bookstores and publishers didn’t adapt then they’d be out of business in several years.

Fast-forward to the end of the decade and the Kindle is on its tenth iteration (with additional higher-end models on offer).

However, sales figures for e-books are just one-tenth of those for physical books. And according to the Pew Research Center, only 7% of Americans read books in digital format only; this figure is still dwarfed by the 37% of Americans who read print books only and the 28% of Americans who read print and digital books.

The Kobo, which Borders was an early investor in but didn’t own, survived that store’s bankruptcy and lives on to this day, battling it out against the Kindle.

However, Barnes and Noble’s NOOK, once heralded as the future of that retailer’s strategy to maintain its relevance, is “on its deathbed” and its future looks bleak.

At the end of this decade, a new narrative, one centered around declining sales, has formed around e-books and the future of e-readers. At the same time, independent bookstores are enjoying a renaissance of sorts.

The reports of the imminent death of print books were, as it turns out, greatly exaggerated.

In 2019, a similar conversation is occurring in the electric vehicle space, and a similar panic of obsolescence is sweeping across traditional vehicle manufacturers.

Tesla’s Model 3, which could favorably be compared to the Kindle in that it demonstrated the demand for an “affordable” electric vehicle, remains the primary driver of electric vehicle sales figures in the United States.

Worried about remaining relevant, other manufacturers have scrambled to release competing “devices” like the Mustang Mach-E from Ford and the e-tron from Audi.

Again, there are no shortage of experts predicting the obsolescence of the internal combustion engine as manufacturers pledge to introduce more electrified models in the coming years.

“The future is electric” is a common refrain across an industry that until recently doubted whether electric vehicles even had a market of interested buyers.

However, there’s some reason for skepticism and doubt (paywall).

Like the Kindle, the electric vehicle revolution, to date, has been mostly powered by enthusiasts and early adopters, and it’s been juiced by incentives, some of which are on their way out.

As the Pew Research Center noted in 2012, “device [e-reader] owners in general are more likely to prefer owning books in all formats than the general population — the more well-to-do device owners most of all.”

Similarly, electric vehicle owners are mostly from high-income households. According to a survey conducted by CarMax and CleanTechnica, “the largest share of households with hybrid and electric cars earned at least $200,000.”

Electric vehicles have found a market, but questions remain as to whether there are enough interested buyers outside this group of early adopters to justify predictions of the ascendancy of electric vehicles over their internal combustion counterparts.

Instead, the future is likely more muddled (and varied) than overly optimistic projections of electric vehicle sales would have us believe.

As battery production costs come down, it’s possible households will have an electric vehicle and an internal combustion engine vehicle and use both, just like many households now have an e-reader and still buy and display (who doesn’t love a good bookshelf?) print books.

But claims that lack boldness rarely make headlines, even if those middle-of-the-road claims are the likeliest of all possible futures.

On the eve of a new decade, the boldest claim about electric vehicles may be that the next greatest thing is sometimes just another thing.
 

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Well, first, the narrative the article has on ebooks is greatly exaggerated. Bookstore sales HAVE declined greatly. Borders is functionally gone - Barnes and Noble has survived by reducing their percentage of books sold vs overall sales. Meanwhile, a large percentage (amazon does not provide the exact figure, afaict) of Kindle books are loaned not sold, either through their limited program for all Prime members or through their Kindle Unlimited program. Heck, even the local library lends books for e-readers. That's leaving out any pirating, of course. The point is, that printed book sales have declined significantly, and the figures the article listed are incomplete at best, and blatantly wrong at worst.

In terms of e-vehicles, sales are ramping up. The biggest issue is the infrastructure for recharging, which is gradually improving. While they are more expensive initially, apparently energy costs are much lower for them than for gas fueled vehicles, which reduces the TCO. But sales are increasing - only those who were amazingly optimistic really thought they would dominate the market within a relatively few years.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if EVs were only a temporary solution - a lot of work is being done on fuel cells that can power cars, and which can be refueled much more quickly than EVs
 

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I think the electric cars are cool... but they aren't gonna work for me.

My next vehicle is going to be either an F250 or F350 diesel. I'm still considering a Dodge because of the Cummins engine, but I'm leaning towards the Ford now.
 

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In regards to e-books, nobody is going back to newspapers anytime soon. We all read our news online or “e.” Whether or not it’s on amazon’s shitty e-reader is beside the point. Print is now nostalgic. I am dealing with publishers right now and it’s a huge loss leader for style and hipsterdom cred.
Electric cars are happening. It’s not slowing down. Companies like Bollinger are already making hummer like electric 4x4’s and Volvo is making electric big rigs. It’s gonna get exponential here as battery sizes get smaller and smaller and more and more powerful.
Electric vehicles and e-books have zero in common. I mean they both use electricity so you might as well have an article about whether or not electric cars will go the way of toaster ovens.


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I think the electric cars are cool... but they aren't gonna work for me.

My next vehicle is going to be either an F250 or F350 diesel. I'm still considering a Dodge because of the Cummins engine, but I'm leaning towards the Ford now.

Have you thought about going Chevy?
Ford throws my back in their seats for some odd reason.

This was my beast. Bought it for 18k and sold it 10 years later forn24k hahahahhaha.
I got lucky when i picked this up - Allison transmission, 3/4 ton hauling monster. I got it with 100k miles and the thing was just broken in. I miss this sucker

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Electrical grid can't support a massive increase in EVs. If it could the increase in CO2 from power generation would offset any so called savings in CO2. Batteries still can't give enough range. Cost of replacing battery packs still excessive. It was an expensive fad to the taxpayer. Fuel cells could be a game changer but still a long way to go.
 

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Have you thought about going Chevy?
Ford throws my back in their seats for some odd reason.

This was my beast. Bought it for 18k and sold it 10 years later forn24k hahahahhaha.
I got lucky when i picked this up - Allison transmission, 3/4 ton hauling monster. I got it with 100k miles and the thing was just broken in. I miss this sucker

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Nice.

I've thought about all of them really. The Ford just looks the best to me. I really like the Cummins engines only available in the Dodge... but I'm not gonna be hauling things for a living. If I was... the Dodge would be a must. The Fords just look way better to me so I'm leaning very strongly in that direction.
 

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Have you thought about going Chevy?
Ford throws my back in their seats for some odd reason.

This was my beast. Bought it for 18k and sold it 10 years later forn24k hahahahhaha.
I got lucky when i picked this up - Allison transmission, 3/4 ton hauling monster. I got it with 100k miles and the thing was just broken in. I miss this sucker

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How many miles did you put on it? 25% over what you paid after 10 years? Bought it with 100K miles? I own two diesels (passenger) and know others that have the large trucks and that isn't in anyones experience. Even accounting for the older emission standard and the 4X4 option. Even accounting for top maintenance there must be something else in that equation?

My son thinks Ford currently is the best buy for an "american" heavy duty hauling diesel truck. He said he thought the Dodge chassis isn't desirable despite the higher haul rating. He said the Dodge with Cummins powertrain is excellent but doesn't know anything about the current offering. He said he still wouldn't trust a GM diesel engine. He said he's heard good things about the early 2000s IH engines if interested in that old of vehicle.
 

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How many miles did you put on it? 25% over what you paid after 10 years? Bought it with 100K miles? I own two diesels (passenger) and know others that have the large trucks and that isn't in anyones experience. Even accounting for the older emission standard and the 4X4 option. Even accounting for top maintenance there must be something else in that equation?

My son thinks Ford currently is the best buy for an "american" heavy duty hauling diesel truck. He said he thought the Dodge chassis isn't desirable despite the higher haul rating. He said the Dodge with Cummins powertrain is excellent but doesn't know anything about the current offering. He said he still wouldn't trust a GM diesel engine. He said he's heard good things about the early 2000s IH engines if interested in that old of vehicle.

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In Dripping Springs. Go there. I was shocked. Covert Chevy even offered 18k.
When I rolled in the guy wasn’t interested and then I told him it was an 07’ 3/4 Allison and he got up right away. The truck didn’t last long on his lot - 2 days only. Sold.
I still don’t understand it, but around central Texas that truck is the one people want I guess.
Think it was around 145k - just around 40k I put on it.
I didn’t haul for a living but I’d have to make a cattle run at least 1 time a month.
Nice info on the Ford and Dodge
I will definitely buy used though. Especially after my good luck
 

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I've owned my Ford truck now for 13 years and it only has 16k miles on it LOL. Maybe I should use it once in awhile.
 

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i had a Chevy Silverado 2500 for 11 years, the got a Ford 250...wish I never switched. The Ford looks better, but the Chevy was hands down a better overall truck, comfort, handling,hauling, mechanical.

Next truck will be a Chevy or a Tundra... we'll see what 4 years brings
 

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I see the e-book development as generational. I'm an old guy, I have a library in my home and love the look & feel of a real book, even the smell of leather bound, but space is a problem and newer generations are not likely to maintain the same appreciation as is the ease of using and storing with an e-book.

While there are those who will fight tooth and nail over the climate crisis, the trend is clear, and electric is likely the future in personal car ownership. Trucks and commercial vehicles are going to last until battery/electric motor technology improves somewhat, but many of them will also be doomed eventually.

My own thoughts on personal car ownership is also changing. Instead of owning, imagine a local community commercial auto/rental agency with a large lot which performs all maintenance and takes care of insurance. Once driverless technology is advanced and trusted, a car can be sent to you on a moments notice or by contract, eliminating the labor costs associated with an Uber or taxi service. You can pick any style or size of vehicle you want on a daily basis instead of being stuck with one vehicle for years, and you wouldn't need the extra expense of a garage being added to your home, ... that and you only pay for it while it's being used.
 
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Centex auto off the 12
In Dripping Springs. Go there. I was shocked. Covert Chevy even offered 18k.
When I rolled in the guy wasn’t interested and then I told him it was an 07’ 3/4 Allison and he got up right away. The truck didn’t last long on his lot - 2 days only. Sold.
I still don’t understand it, but around central Texas that truck is the one people want I guess.
Think it was around 145k - just around 40k I put on it.
I didn’t haul for a living but I’d have to make a cattle run at least 1 time a month.
Nice info on the Ford and Dodge
I will definitely buy used though. Especially after my good luck
Good luck, no. Great luck, yes! It might be someone had the dealerships in the area on the lookout for that vehicle in that condition.
 

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I love my 2006 GMC Sierra 4x4.

I love technology and improvements like electric cars might be, but the electricity generation and power grid that coconut mentioned is a major obstacle to me....Also, not too many electric power stations in the great Midwest, yet.
 

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Instead of owning, imagine a local community commercial auto/rental agency with a large lot which performs all maintenance and takes care of insurance. Once driverless technology is advanced and trusted, a car can be sent to you on a moments notice or by contract, eliminating the labor costs associated with an Uber or taxi service. You can pick any style or size of vehicle you want on a daily basis instead of being stuck with one vehicle for years, and you wouldn't need the extra expense of a garage being added to your home, ... that and you only pay for it while it's being used.

This is where it is going... Yep.
 

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This is where it is going... Yep.
Agreed, millennials don't really care about owning anything. The novelty of a new car every day outweighs the headache of ownership. Likewise home ownership, they'd rather rent. Rent books, music, homes, cars, e-bikes, etc. Nothing that would stop them from moving on to the next town if a better job or relationship comes up. Less stuff to put in the (rented) moving van.
 

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Agreed, millennials don't really care about owning anything. The novelty of a new car every day outweighs the headache of ownership. Likewise home ownership, they'd rather rent. Rent books, music, homes, cars, e-bikes, etc. Nothing that would stop them from moving on to the next town if a better job or relationship comes up. Less stuff to put in the (rented) moving van.
Agreed. Or maybe they're forced to rent because a system that favors the rentier-financier has saddled the younger generation with debt early in life, and essentials like rent and housing have become grotesquely unaffordable. But I'm an old geezer so what do I know....
 

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Agreed, millennials don't really care about owning anything. The novelty of a new car every day outweighs the headache of ownership. Likewise home ownership, they'd rather rent. Rent books, music, homes, cars, e-bikes, etc. Nothing that would stop them from moving on to the next town if a better job or relationship comes up. Less stuff to put in the (rented) moving van.

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It’s crazy isn’t it. I told my 21 year old daughter that we didn’t have Matcha Green Tea Smoothies or Social Media when we were her age but what we had instead was a future.
 

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My own thoughts on personal car ownership is also changing. Instead of owning, imagine a local community commercial auto/rental agency with a large lot which performs all maintenance and takes care of insurance. Once driverless technology is advanced and trusted, a car can be sent to you on a moments notice or by contract, eliminating the labor costs associated with an Uber or taxi service. You can pick any style or size of vehicle you want on a daily basis instead of being stuck with one vehicle for years, and you wouldn't need the extra expense of a garage being added to your home, ... that and you only pay for it while it's being used.
Looks like less freedom and lowered expectations to me due to less perceived economic opportunity.