Annual Bad Pre-Training Camp Roster Prediction

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majrleaged said:
There were some reports that the rams were approached to trade back. They didn't want to for fear that Simpson would be picked. So it they were not so set on Simpson and they traded back, maybe a bigger CB and a quicker LB could have really strengthened the D.
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Still that bigger CB would probably have to get the vast majority of his opportunities / reps replacing an injured starter. And that quicker LB in this draft class would probably have made more sense after a very significant trade down (Or even a trade up from the 2nd selection). After Styles, the next LB didn't even come off the board until a selection in the 40s.

All things being equal the QBs is the most important and the hardest position to fill, thus it makes more sense to utilize asset(s) to attempt to fill it when the opportunity arises.
 
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Memphis Ram said:
Though I still believe that he could do more if given the opportunity, the idea of Whittington vs. the slot TEs is a good point.

McCullough? I'm just can't get my mind around how someone can only have 5 tackles (3 solo) on 310 special teams snaps. I'm not saying he played poorly on defense. But, he wasn't a difference maker and is replaceable, IMO.

Besides, keeping both Edwards, Daniels, and McCullough while only dropping Whittington would give me two more players to drop in my imaginary bad roster scenario.
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Fair point on McCullough on STs—and they were bad.

As for the last paragraph, I think you need only lose one of those no-name, unproven LBs to accommodate Daniels. Edwards was already on your roster and I was looking at a straight swap of McCullough over Whittington.
 
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den-the-coach said:
Good size, but he ran a 4.57 at his pro day. Right now the two fastest WR's are Tyler Scott 4.44 and Xavier Smith 4.39.
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Edwards looks faster to me.

I wonder if he got to train for it like the others.

As I recall he transferred to Kentucky expecting to get an extra year of eligibility prior to being signed as an UDFA.
 
Memphis Ram said:
Edwards looks faster to me.

I wonder if he got to train for it like the others.

As I recall he transferred to Kentucky expecting to get an extra year of eligibility prior to being signed as an UDFA.
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That is true, he was denied another year of eligibility thus making him available for the draft. I agree about Edwards, he looks faster, but he does have the ability to make difficult catches.
 
WestCoastRam said:
Wait, can he? It didn't seem that way since I saw him.

I'm curious, what are people seeing in Edwards? Seems like a JAG to me.
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It's basically people falling in love with players on the roster that haven't proven anything yet. Not saying he can't get better but I've seen nothing to show that likely to happen. But then again who knows?

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Memphis Ram said:
You say that Mumpfield isn't anything special, but neither is a solid veteran. That's what makes them solid. And most solid veterans are JAGs like your claim for Whittington. Sure some may be more experienced, but they are still JAGs. Especially, those that are on the decline.

I have a higher opinion on the Rams roster depth and see them just needing more opportunity to shine. Besides, the team put up a buttload of points in games last year without Puka or Adams. And if both go down at the same time there's no solid veteran that's going to save the day. And an above average to great addition probably offers next to nothing on special teams and takes a bit away from the TE packages. But, again, I don't believe this team should need an All-Star roster to win a championship.

Whatever moves made leading up to an into the season will be the tell, but there really is a chance that the team really doesn't see the WR depth as dire as some looking for a veteran name to add to the roster.
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JAG and a solid vet that I'm referring to just aren't the same. If you are telling me that there isn't a vet that can beat out a Mumpfield or Whittington, I just don't agree at all. If Puka and or Adams goes down, there is no way to determine if the offense will put up tons of points like last year. I personally think the reason the offense did much better last year is because we had a 2 headed stud RB combo that allowed us to be a more physical offense last year. I hope that happens again, but we shall see. I get that you have a bias towards our lower rostered WRs than most, I just don't. I've seen nothing from any of our young WRs where I can boldly think they'll step up if one of our studs goes down. A solid WR vet with actual good game tape overtime would better than what we have now on the bottom of the depth chart obviously imo. Just because the Rams don't see an issue with the WR depth, doesn't mean they won't miss it and have it bite them in the ass like the secondary last year either.
 
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El Chapo Jr said:
JAG and a solid vet that I'm referring to just aren't the same. If you are telling me that there isn't a vet that can beat out a Mumpfield or Whittington, I just don't agree at all. If Puka and or Adams goes down, there is no way to determine if the offense will put up tons of points like last year. I personally think the reason the offense did much better last year is because we had a 2 headed stud RB combo that allowed us to be a more physical offense last year. I hope that happens again, but we shall see. I get that you have a bias towards our lower rostered WRs than most, I just don't. I've seen nothing from any of our young WRs where I can boldly think they'll step up if one of our studs goes down. A solid WR vet with actual good game tape overtime would better than what we have now on the bottom of the depth chart obviously imo. Just because the Rams don't see an issue with the WR depth, doesn't mean they won't miss it and have it bite them in the ass like the secondary last year either.
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I'm sure that there are players that can beat out Mumpfield, Smith, and/or Whittington. Just about every player has someone better than them in the league. If the Rams make that trade for AJ Brown, even Davante would have been gone. But, everything doesn't have be (it never is) perfect for success.

You say if Puka and or Adams goes down, there is no way to determine if the offense will put up tons of points like last year. But, then you turn around and seem to suggest that there is a way to tell what's possible with the addition of a solid veteran and I disagree. Both are unknowns.

BTW, I believe the rushing attack AND perhaps, more importantly, the TE usage were major keys to the offense's success. And I believe those TEs can be a bigger matchup problem than just about most solid vet WRs that are or will become available.
 
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Allen2McVay said:
Did we really need AI to confirm that a Solid Veteran and Just A Guy are NOT the same thing?
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Even if one agreed with AI, the main problem will be the differing opinions on who is an solid veteran and who is a JAG. It's doubtful that we will all agree.

Plus, for the purposes of the prior exchange there's no way of telling what would happen in Rams Horns as players could be solid veteran WRs in one year/situation and JAG in another year/situation.

For example, at one point Van Jefferson and Allen Robinson looked like a solid veterans. Since then both have been JAGs.
 
den-the-coach said:
Good size, but he ran a 4.57 at his pro day. Right now the two fastest WR's are Tyler Scott 4.44 and Xavier Smith 4.39.
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Hey I'm here to be pleasantly surprised but good size and a 4.57 40 time isn't much to hang one's hat on.

Hard for me to argue for an undrafted guy who was never active last year nor played on ST units* and profiles very similar to the guy we just drafted (albeit late) this year. Maybe he could beat out a Whitt or Smith but find that doubtful too.

*And it's not like we had better than average options at 4th receiver on the gameday so...
 
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Memphis Ram said:
Even if one agreed with AI, the main problem will be the differing opinions on who is an solid veteran and who is a JAG. It's doubtful that we will all agree.

Plus, for the purposes of the prior exchange there's no way of telling what would happen in Rams Horns as players could be solid veteran WRs in one year/situation and JAG in another year/situation.

For example, at one point Van Jefferson and Allen Robinson looked like a solid veterans. Since then both have been JAGs.
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I don't really disagree with any of this but I also don't see any relevance to the simple point that the term Just-A-Guy or JAG to describe an NFL player is clearly different than to describe a player as a Solid Veteran.

These terms are simply not Synonymous in my opinion.
 
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Memphis Ram said:
I'm sure that there are players that can beat out Mumpfield, Smith, and/or Whittington. Just about every player has someone better than them in the league. If the Rams make that trade for AJ Brown, even Davante would have been gone. But, everything doesn't have be (it never is) perfect for success.

You say if Puka and or Adams goes down, there is no way to determine if the offense will put up tons of points like last year. But, then you turn around and seem to suggest that there is a way to tell what's possible with the addition of a solid veteran and I disagree. Both are unknowns.

BTW, I believe the rushing attack AND perhaps, more importantly, the TE usage were major keys to the offense's success. And I believe those TEs can be a bigger matchup problem than just about most solid vet WRs that are or will become available.
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I saw there's a better chance, nothing is guaranteed. Everything a team does is to increase that probability. C'mon even you know the saying that nothing in life is guaranteed.....well except death and taxes. TEs are not going to save our offense if we don't have WRs to fill voids only if that void is for a good amount of time. If its for a short period of time, yeah I can see the Rams getting by. Still would feel way better to have better WR depth.
 
Allen2McVay said:
I don't really disagree with any of this but I also don't see any relevance to the simple point that the term Just-A-Guy or JAG to describe an NFL player is clearly different than to describe a player as a Solid Veteran.

These terms are simply not Synonymous in my opinion.
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Agree. That's why I like the term "useful player" which I cribbed from Mays to discuss role-players on the roster.

I think McCullough is a good example. He's not a star but is a starter in a defensive alignment that we like to play and does a good job and allows us to get into defensive looks that we would otherwise not be able to do with another player. Hoecht was a good example of a useful player too while Nick Hampton and Mathis were just JAGs.

a JAG to me is exactly what was discussed. When you say "just another guy" you're implying that any other JAG could replace him. They're interchangeable.
 
Memphis Ram said:
Even if one agreed with AI, the main problem will be the differing opinions on who is an solid veteran and who is a JAG. It's doubtful that we will all agree.

Plus, for the purposes of the prior exchange there's no way of telling what would happen in Rams Horns as players could be solid veteran WRs in one year/situation and JAG in another year/situation.

For example, at one point Van Jefferson and Allen Robinson looked like a solid veterans. Since then both have been JAGs.
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Van Jefferson was always a JAG. That dude had zero dog in him whatsoever. I honestly feel that stopped him from ever being able to step up more. Allen Robinson was a shell of himself. I was extremely shocked when we went out to get him as he was already showing big signs of decline prior to that.
 
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