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[BatteringRambo]

NOLA related. I saw Crowbar open for Corrosion of Conformity tonight...:rimshot:.....:rockon:

 

[Karate61]

I think you hit the nail on the head there, unfortunately Father Time catches up to you... The season was a few Sundays too long for Drew, who is one of my favourite non-Ram players, maybe Payton could have mixed in more rushing plays to help him out a bit.

Watching Sounds of the Game replay, Brees headed to the sideline to talk it over with Payton at the 2 minute warning.

Brees: "We gotta be smart here."

Payton: "Yeah, but I don't want to take 55 seconds and just kick the field goal. So, we're gonna be smart and we're gonna try and score a touchdown."

Brees: "Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely."

Payton, the arrogant ass that he is, wanted the td more than the win. Payton is a jerk. He lost the game for the Saints at the end. He should have milked the clock and took the field goal. Rams would have had less than a minute and no time outs to try and tie.

No wonder Payton whined and whined so much about the PI non call. He's covering up his stupidity at game management. Arrogance loses games! You lose Payton. Now, piss off already!

 

[Sgt. Ram]

When Goff was sacked and pulled down by the shoulder pad area right behind the neck, wasn't that a horse collar tackle?

 

[Mojo Ram]

When Goff was sacked and pulled down by the shoulder pad area right behind the neck, wasn't that a horse collar tackle?

The rule and the claim is he was in the pocket so no horse collar. The claim that he was still in the pocket is debatable.

Moot point anyway. We kicked their ass in the 2nd half and OT.

 

[RhodyRams]

Actually on that play the defender just had Goffs Jersey..... horse collar tackle is pulling down from hands inside the shoulder pads

 

[tklongball]

I missed that one. Do you have a link to a video? Much appreciated if you do.

Sorry, I don't have a link, but it was the punt at the 2 Minute warning in the first half. Natson gets his helmet half ripped off by the face-mask, there is a flag, and it ends up being a BS call on Christian, because the gunner fell. The replay shows the face-mask as he is going out of camera view, then Aikman says, something along the lines of, I don't know about that call, talking about the hold.

I don't have a link to the play, but I have the game on my DVR still, I think.

 

[rdlkgliders]

I don't see mention anywhere of the face mask against Aaron Donald on the very same play that NRC committed the PI.

drop the mic

Thread closed heading to the Atl for SB Llll and the Pats

 

[Peace Saint]

I'm a life long Saints fan and I signed up to this forum a few years ago with hopes of being able to chat with you all about the L.A. move, but the timing was bad for me during the summer of that year. I forgot about it over time cause I had been a member of SaintsReport going back to 2011 and that was my main home for a while between a different team's forum where I used to hang out and now, I have no home since I'm banned from SaintsReport and that old NFL forum I used to chat on has long been lost. I only just now realized I had an account here when trying to sign up. I wanted to come on here and congratulate all of you. I'm not here to troll you or post conspiracy theories.

Let me be one of the few Saints fans who congratulates you on your win. I was banned from SaintsReport and I'm guessing I was banned along with the handful of other members who were trying to have a rational discussion about the game without going full conspiracy mode with the crazy ass nonsense about it all being rigged against them. Our fan base is easily the most conspiracy minded fans of all NFL fan bases, they've been like this since 2012 when Bountygate happened. I tell fans of other teams any time it's brought up; Bountygate broke their collective minds and they never recovered their rationale. Any time they lose a close game, it's always the refs fault. They are unable to handle a loss without going complete Alex Jones about it. Before this week, they completely lost their minds over the Cowboys loss and were blaming the refs, Goodell, Jerry Jones and even had a bizarre Spygate style conspiracy theory about it. Go through any topic about Dallas on their forum and count how many posts bring up "the refs" and "Jerry's paid refs" and you see what I mean. They couldn't even give Dallas credit for thoroughly humiliating us, no it was all a big conspiracy in some way or another.

The Saints didn't loss on a bad non-call, let me be one of the few who will admit this. Since I'm banned from my previous home for saying these exact words, I might as well tell you all this too - something went really wrong for the Saints beginning with the Dallas game. To put it simple; Dallas whooped us. Not only did they beat the living hell out of us, but they completely exposed this team and their over-reliance on the only two weapons they had on offense - Michael Thomas and Kamara. Essentially, Dallas proved to the rest of the NFL that if you could limit or entirely shut down Kamara and Thomas, then the Saints had nothing else to scare you with on offense. Teams have been taking their only two play makers away and forcing Brees to pick them apart with a cast of no-name receivers that no one knows.

Brees had a TD/INT ratio of 29-2 and a QB rating over 130 prior to week 11. In the last 6 games, his QB rating tanked down to 88 and his TD/INT ratio was a horrible 7-5. Like I said; something has been wrong with this team for over a month. They were never the same after that Dallas game. Since that loss, the Saints sorta became the opposite of the team they were early in the season; the defense began stepping up and was bailing them out for several weeks. Go watch highlights of the Tampa Bay, Carolina, Pittsburgh and Philly games; the offense struggled in all those games and had to be bailed out by strong defensive play. In reality, the defense really was pulling miracles with late stops and key turnovers, meanwhile the offense would piddle around and couldn't do nothing.

The Rams seemed to do the opposite at the end of the year after their offensive struggles. They got it together and changed some things on their offense that helped them recapture their magic they had. The Saints didn't do this at all and I wish fans would speak out about Payton's inability to do this. His play calling was questionable and deserved criticism in both playoff games. He nearly blew it for us against the Eagles; a game where the defense dominated for 3 quarters, then the offense just piddled around unable to shut the door on them, thus giving Philly one last shot for a miracle. We got bailed out by our defense yet again.

We got out-played and out-coached Sunday against your team. I will just admit it. We've seen teams in the past blow leads in the NFCCG and they never win it. The loss reminded me a bit of the Packers 2014 NFCCG meltdown where they blew a 16 point lead and then had a 12 point lead late in the game and blew that too. We had a 13 point lead and then a 10 point lead, lost both of them. The game would've never come down to that non-call had the offense not struggled and played as bad as they had for the past month and a half. I honest to god knew the game was over when it got tied at 20. I knew the Saints were about to screw it up.

Even after the no call pass interference, we had the ball in OT and threw a pick. That pick reminded me a lot of Brett Favre's bad interception in the 2007 NFCCG. It was easily Brees' worst pass of the season. Brees did not play well Sunday and it felt like the longer the game progressed, he was going to eventually have a turnover. We've seen those kind of games for him from time to time and he's had a few of them this year (Dallas and Carolina come to mind) and other great QBs are prone to stuff like this.

Anyways, sorry for the long post. I am venting a little because it was quite hurtful being banned from a site and community that I had been a part of for all those years, simply because I didn't want to buy the popular opinion that this is all a major conspiracy theory. Before I was banned, it was even implied that I worked for the NFL and was being paid shill money by Roger Goodell to come on there and voice my opinion that disagreed with them. THAT is how far lost our fan base is. They are lost to the point that any other Saints fan who disagrees with them must be paid by George Soros, oops, I mean Roger Goodell, regardless how much evidence there is of years worth of posts to debunk such nonsense. Goodell is their big boogie man and they think he controls everything in the universe solely to make their lives miserable. I don't blame anyone for laughing at our fan base and we don't deserve sympathy either. This is an embarrassment with how the fans are acting but I'm not surprised. Like I said, Bountygate broke whatever rationality they previously had. We've been the insane asylum fan base of the league ever since and now we are completely in Alex Jones territory with all these inane conspiracies about this game. That bad non-call would've been a footnote to that game had the offense got it together in OT.

Congrats on your win. I seen nothing in the Saints 2 playoff games that would convince me that we would have a shot against the Patriots. Maybe your team will match up better with them. Good luck in 2 weeks.

Synthetic,

I am still a member of SR. I have never posted on that board simply because it seems if you have a different opinion than the majority you get banned. I am sorry you were banned, they seem to have gone off the deep end after the game. I have the same opinion as you, something happened around the time of the Dallas game that they could not overcome. I didn't think they were the team that they were earlier in the season and were not a Super Bowl team.

Part of the reason I came here was out of embarrassment from our fan base. I wanted Rams fans to know that not everyone in New Orleans subscribes to the conspiracy theories that are being propagated. This is being fueled by a few fans, politicians (for the votes), car dealerships (for the increase in sales), and the media (for more readers).

So far, everyone here has been very kind and welcoming. Hopefully we both can make a few new friends here regardless of the team we cheer for on Sundays.

 

[Synthetic]

I think you hit the nail on the head there, unfortunately Father Time catches up to you... The season was a few Sundays too long for Drew, who is one of my favourite non-Ram players, maybe Payton could have mixed in more rushing plays to help him out a bit.

Brees 2018 season at 39 years old went very similar to another quarterback who also had a late year collapse in his old age.

You guys may remember 2014 Peyton Manning. I'm sure some of you remember that Broncos game from 2014 where the Rams humiliated him. I have seen a few other Saints fans (the rational few who were worried in the past month.) make this comparison and they were spot on with it.

Manning started the 2014 season off red hot. Despite how bad Denver was blown out in the Super Bowl, they did not look like that team at all going into the new year. They were beating the hell out of teams and they even went into Seattle and Manning had one of his last great comeback games but they sadly lost. Manning and the Broncos were great until week 11 when they had to travel to St. Louis for a game against the Rams. Something really bad happened in that game where their offense was held to 7 points and Manning had his worst game of the year. Prior to that game, he was in the MVP debate with Rodgers and Denver looked unstoppable outside of one loss to the Patriots where they got blown out (that loss was similar to the Saints loss to Tampa Bay this year).

Denver never recovered after that loss to the Rams. They still won 12 games and Manning's end of the year stats look like his typical greatness, but something went really wrong for them. Manning was on pace to pass over 5,000 yards and 40+ TDs again before his collapse. They spent the rest of the year depending on their defense to bail them out of games while the offense regressed and Manning was struggling. In December of that year, Rodgers pretty much ran away with the MVP while Manning was having issues and winning games thanks to Denver's defense stepping up.

The Broncos went one and done in the playoffs. In their playoff game vs the Colts (a team they had beat the hell out of in the regular season) Manning was terrible that night and yet Denver's defense was doing everything in the second half to try and win that game. They got 2 turnovers off Luck and constant stops. The problem was, Manning was off that day and even though the run game was working, Denver was reluctant to run the ball.

This year, Brees started out red hot and was right there in the MVP debate all year, just like Manning. His 29-2 TD/INT ratio was the top of the league and he had the highest QBR over 130. Like the Broncos, our collapse began in week 11 too, but it was against the Cowboys. We never recovered. Brees was also on pace for 40 TDs like Manning, but never recovered.

Our playoff game to the Eagles even went similar to the 2014 Broncos playoff loss, except our defense managed to save the day. Denver's defense tried so hard that night to bail them out, but the offense couldn't find a rhythm.

2018 Saints were almost a mirror image of the 2014 Broncos. Our loss to Dallas where we nearly got shut out and were humiliated was eerily similar to Denver's loss to the Rams. Neither team recovered their mojo on offense and struggled the rest of the year.

Going by how Peyton Manning collapsed and went into the 2015 season as a shell of his former self, I am worried about next year and what will happen with Brees. He has looked like a 39-40 year old quarterback for the past month and I have.

I've never believed in the idea that Brees can play well into his 40's. There's only been 3 quarterbacks in NFL history ever have really good seasons in their 40's. One of them was 2009 Brett Favre, another was Warren Moon at 40-41 years old in a Seahawks uniform and the other is Tom Brady. They all collapsed eventually. Favre was terrible in that last year and Moon had his 2 good years late in his career before finally being done. Age will catch up with Brady and Brees eventually too, that's just how it goes.

 

[FrantikRam]

Synthetic,

I am still a member of SR. I have never posted on that board simply because it seems if you have a different opinion than the majority you get banned. I am sorry you were banned, they seem to have gone off the deep end after the game. I have the same opinion as you, something happened around the time of the Dallas game that they could not overcome. I didn't think they were the team that they were earlier in the season and were not a Super Bowl team.

Part of the reason I came here was out of embarrassment from our fan base. I wanted Rams fans to know that not everyone in New Orleans subscribes to the conspiracy theories that are being propagated. This is being fueled by a few fans, politicians (for the votes), car dealerships (for the increase in sales), and the media (for more readers).

So far, everyone here has been very kind and welcoming. Hopefully we both can make a few new friends here regardless of the team we cheer for on Sundays.

Well I have to say that I have not been handling this as well as other Rams fans. I really appreciate you guys coming in here and saying these things, because the amount of people that won't let this go has made me feel like I'm going crazy. This is my issue - but it's gotten to the point where I haven't really even enjoyed this week very much. There have been other sane people out there saying the things that you guys are saying (aside from Rams fans), but the media is obviously going to run with what gives them the most drama and that's "the blown call".

 

[RamInferno]

Watching Sounds of the Game replay, Brees headed to the sideline to talk it over with Payton at the 2 minute warning.

Brees: "We gotta be smart here."

Payton: "Yeah, but I don't want to take 55 seconds and just kick the field goal. So, we're gonna be smart and we're gonna try and score a touchdown."

Brees: "Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely."

Payton, the arrogant ass that he is, wanted the td more than the win. Payton is a jerk. He lost the game for the Saints at the end. He should have milked the clock and took the field goal. Rams would have had less than a minute and no time outs to try and tie.

No wonder Payton whined and whined so much about the PI non call. He's covering up his stupidity at game management. Arrogance loses games! You lose Payton. Now, tick off already!

This basically debunks the theory that the Saints had the win in the bag if the PI had been called. Payton STILL would have passed for the TD instead of running down the clock. JJ would have had his pick in regulation instead of OT.

 

[Synthetic]

Synthetic,

I am still a member of SR. I have never posted on that board simply because it seems if you have a different opinion than the majority you get banned. I am sorry you were banned, they seem to have gone off the deep end after the game. I have the same opinion as you, something happened around the time of the Dallas game that they could not overcome. I didn't think they were the team that they were earlier in the season and were not a Super Bowl team.

Part of the reason I came here was out of embarrassment from our fan base. I wanted Rams fans to know that not everyone in New Orleans subscribes to the conspiracy theories that are being propagated. This is being fueled by a few fans, politicians (for the votes), car dealerships (for the increase in sales), and the media (for more readers).

So far, everyone here has been very kind and welcoming. Hopefully we both can make a few new friends here regardless of the team we cheer for on Sundays.

Thanks for the reply. I had been a member over there for several years, so you can imagine how insulted I feel when it was implied that I work for and get paid shill money by Roger Goodell to make posts on there that they disagree with. It's not the first time though; I've been accused of being a fan of other teams when I argue with them regarding losses. I don't blame the refs after losses, I can accept it when the Saints lose.

They have went full blown Alex Jones conspiracy crazy over this to the point I guess anyone who disagrees with them is either a paid shill as I was called, or they might as well start throwing the 'sheeple' snarl word around. Had one of the mods just went through my post history that went back several years, it would've easily debunked the nonsense that I am paid by the NFL to post on there.

You should've seen that place back in 2012. To be fair here, they've always been like this since 2012. They were never like this until Bountygate. Bountygate turned them into paranoid schizophrenics fans who think Roger Goodell is this Lex Luthor style super genius villain who is trying to make life miserable for them and exclusively them. They can't comprehend the idea of other teams getting screwed by bad calls. I brought up how the Lions fan base has a lot to be mad over with bad calls over the years, they never want to think about another team like that.

You can't even really criticize the 2011 team on there. They will instantly bring up Bountygate and "if the Vernon Davis catch don't happen we would've won the SB!". That 2011 team had a terrible defense. I am not sure they would've just waltz into the SB and won it all, but don't tell them that. They won't engage with you over it, they'll just accuse you of being crazy and go in circles about Bountygate and the refs.

Ever notice how very few members on that board can sit down and have a rational discussion about the 2011 playoff loss to the 49ers? Years ago, they had a big conspiracy theory that Bountygate was responsible and Roger Goodell made them lose that game. For crying out loud, Saints had zero penalties and still couldn't win that game. Any time this is brought up, the clique on there completely ignore this and just go in circles talking about a helmet to helmet hit on Pierre Thomas that was missed and/or other stuff they feel was missed. We had zero penalties that day and what no one wants to talk about is that Payton got out-coached and was being clowned by Jim Harbaugh that day. That loss hurt and still does, but we didn't lose cause of a big conspiracy. We got out-played and out-coached.

Another example of them being like this is when Dallas whooped us this past year. EVERY topic talked about "the refs" and these dumb conspiracy theories that Jerry Jones bought and paid for the refs in that game. We didn't just get the crap beat out of us, oh no, it was the refs, Goodell and Jerry Jones. If Jerry Jones really does buy wins in this league, believe me, the Cowboys wouldn't be in this drought they've been in for over 24 years now without reaching the NFC title game.

They even had a Spygate-like conspiracy theory about some guy on the sidelines. Seriously, I am embarrassed to be a Saints fan when I read stuff like that. I don't blame other fan bases for laughing hysterically at us. They've been like this for years. How they reacted over the 49ers years ago was embarrassing, but this might actually top that.

I had been telling them for over a month on that forum that something was wrong with our offense. There was only a small handful of them who wanted to engage in discussion about it without retorting to snarky replies and going off the rail ranting and raving about how wrong you are. The rest of them blamed the Dallas loss on the refs and other dumb conspiracy theories. My favorite was when I and another poster would post links to blog sites detailing the dysfunction on offense (and Brees' struggles), and the threads would turn into a bashing fit at whatever reporter or site took their time to run statistics and make an article. The homers on there are unreal and were unbearable in the past two months.

I'll say this about the Rams fans on here; in just a matter of days, they've been respectful and kind towards me. I haven't had the first snarky comment or paragraph length rant directed at me over an opinion.

 

[Synthetic]

NOLA related. I saw Crowbar open for Corrosion of Conformity tonight........:rockon:

Great stuff, COC had some good albums back in the 90's. Good Metal band, glad they are still around.

 

[Synthetic]

This basically debunks the theory that the Saints had the win in the bag if the PI had been called. Payton STILL would have passed for the TD instead of running down the clock. JJ would have had his pick in regulation instead of OT.

That's Payton for you. I wish more of our fans would analyze these playoff losses in a different light, cause he has been out-coached multiple times and/or does something incredibly stupid like last year with him doing the SKOL clap mocking the Vikings fans in their own freaking stadium (way to go, good job to motivate Diggs to humiliate your ass).

I didn't agree with Payton calling a pass on first down. I wanted them to run the clock as much as they could, force the Rams to burn their timeouts and kick a field goal. The Ginn catch was a miracle that wasn't a good throw and could've been intercepted.

Brees had a bad game. It felt like the longer the game went on, he was going to eventually have a turnover. We've seen those kind of games from Brees over the years when he struggles. Payton didn't make it easier though on his QB by abandoning the run and not gameplanning around it.

Brees' pick reminded me of Brett Favre's in the 2007 NFCCG. It was just a bad throw and like Brees, Favre also had a rough game that night and you could feel something bad was coming.

 

[snackdaddy]

Most fans think the refs screwed their team when they lose. But it seems the Saints fans have taken it to a whole other level. Nevermind their coach screwed the pooch and he knew it. He deflected his mistakes and put it on the refs. Fans bought it hook, line and sinker. Its not his fault to them. Even though they woulda greatly increased their chances of winning by just running the ball and the clock.

I kept hearing the team that made the most mistakes would lose. He made the biggest one of all. And his fans don't think he should have any blame for it.

 

[Liberator]

They have went full blown Alex Jones conspiracy crazy over this

Lol reading the forum the last few weeks feels like reading the Qanon hashtag on twitter so this is a good comparison.

 

[Synthetic]

Lol reading the forum the last few weeks feels like reading the Qanon hashtag on twitter so this is a good comparison.

That's an accurate comparison.

Should've seen the forum after the Dallas loss. Every single topic mentioned the refs and this crackpot conspiracy theory of Jerry Jones paying the refs off. I can count on my hand how many posters actually gave credit to Dallas and admitted they were a better team than we believed going into that game. And those few posters got told how wrong they were cause "no, Jerry paid the refs! We got screwed! It was rigged!".

 

[RamBall]

The more I watch the replay, the more evident it becomes that the ball was uncatchable. Which would negate a PI call, and the helmet to helmet is just sour grapes, NRC never lowered his head to deliver a blow with the crown of his helmet. Their helmets made incidental contact after NRC hit the WR shoulder to shoulder.

 

[Rmfnlt]

Man, it's Friday and this is still red hot stuff.

I'm pretty certain that non-call will become part of NFL history.

I watched the game last night... fact is, it was poorly officiated across both teams.

Vinovich simply needs to go.

I went from sympathy for the NO fans... but taking into consideration other calls... to watching it last night...

And my personal feeling is that the better team won a very poorly officiated game that cut both ways.

 

[Ramon Ram]

Went to see America last night at the parker Playhouse in Ftl. What a great show as they still got it. Went with my GF and another couple. We were looking for a quick bite before the show and stumbled onto this bar called shuk and dive so we jumped in to check it out.
It turned out to be a New Orleans bar with great Cajun food and it was a huge Saints watch facility.
I sat in front of a Saints flag and snapped this shot below. I asked the manager who served us how the game went Sunday not letting him know I was a Ram fan as after all I was still waiting on my food lol.
He said it was brutal and that it killed his business for Super Bowl sunday. I then asked him about the reaction at the end and he said the place went dead quiet and emptied out quickly to which I said I bet.
I asked him if people walked out on their bills and he said yes. Tough day for him, nice guy and great food but oh well. Go Rams!!!