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[A.J. Hicks]

Jeebus @A.J. Hicks do I need to give you a link to some sites or post a pic or two for you? :yay:

Fill me in

 

[Karate61]

For some marquee games this year I've cooked a good meal to go along with it.

This Sunday my Wife will be making Po Boys to eat during the game (1 pm game for us). I'm going to make a Gumbo to have for dinner. My wife is going to make a dessert I can't remember the name of it.

Against my wishes, my son and wife just informed me they're making Gumbo Sunday. I told them we can't eat that cajun crap Sunday as it would be like rooting for the enemy. Sometimes family sucks!

 

[El caliente]

You may bevright about Reynolds but I think you need a lesson on the complete picture of Ginn. He HAD blazing speed but was one of the most unreliable receivers in the league dropping 3 balls for every long TD he scored. I don’t know How fast he is now but I feel confident the Rams can contain his speed. They just need to stop letting receivers get wide open deep. Ypur best bet at supplementing Thomas is to use your TEs for more than just blocking.

No, he is still running 4.33 40s, but his catching has only gotten better (imagine that, not having Cam, Kaep, or whoever in Miami throwing to him).

He still only catches a few balls a game, but he is having his best years playing with Brees.

 

[LesBaker]

Admins.........we need an intervention with @A.J. Hicks and that thing that rhymes with angina.

Can I post pics? Purely for medical and educational support. And maybe a little help in "the kitchen" while "desert" is being made.

Hahahaha............

 

[Mojo Ram]

 

[bubbaramfan]

You can pick your friends, or you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friends nose.alm:

 

[RamBall]

I used to hate it when my coke would get all crusty in my nostril.

 

[12intheBox]

I’ll say this - and I’ll admit it’s a small sample size - but the Saints fans I have come across seem like decent people.

We could be playing one of those really obnoxious franchises in the title game. No football substance - just full on buffoonery. You know the type.

Yes, they are over confident but they have had a good year, they are at home, ang they already beat us once. Maybe they should be confident.

I know I am. I think we are going to walk out of there with a W. I think Suh and Donald wreck this game together. I think we end their season Sunday afternoon. Their guys go to the pro bowl, ours go to the Super Bowl.

 

[dang]

Pretty smooth wiping on the Line Judge as he walks by.

 

[OldSchool]

I know only one Saints fan and he's my nephew so of course he's nice to me

 

[dang]

No doubt the Saints have a number of outstanding players that can give the Rams trouble. The ones I am most concerned with are Ryan Ramczyk/OT, Demario Davis/OLB, Cam Jordan/DE and the obvious Michael Thomas/WR. This presents a challenge to our run game and some of our pass rush.

 

[jrry32]

Ginn played only 5 games this season because of injury, while Reynolds played the entire year. Obviously Reynolds numbers will be higher. But when you look at catches, ypg, and catch % Ginn is better this year.

This is a misleading use of stats. Reynolds only really played 9 games this year because he doesn't see the field much when Kupp is healthy. When you put it all into context, Reynolds has slightly better numbers. Yes, his catch rate is slightly lower at 54.7% compared to Ginn's 56.7%. However, Reynolds has a higher YPC average at 13.9 vs. 12.3. Thus, when you analyze Yards Per Target (a much more significant WR metric than catch rate), you end up with 7.6 YPT for Reynolds and 7.0 YPT for Ginn.

Reynolds is young into his career. He still has a lot of promise, and room to grow. He would benefit from hitting the jugs machine a bit this offseason, but he has potential.

Drops haven't been the issue for Reynolds. He needs work on route running. Namely, he needs to work on his adjusting his routes on the fly. That's a weakness for him. I'd also like to see him improve his physicality before the catch.

 

[badnews]

You are miscatagorizing how Ginn is used in the Saints offense, and in your prior post you didn’t paint a complete picture of his season.

Ginn played only 5 games this season because of injury, while Reynolds played the entire year. Obviously Reynolds numbers will be higher. But when you look at catches, ypg, and catch % Ginn is better this year.

The Devil doesn’t know how to trick you because he is the Devil, he knows how to trick you because he is old. Ginn has made a name for himself in this league by way of his speed. That has always been his calling card since the Dolphins drafted him. His job is to do nothing more than to blow the top off of the defense, and that’s all he does. He isn’t a possession receiver, he is the burner. He isn’t a guy who will catch 100 passes as we don’t need him to catch 100 passes. He is a gimmick player.

A few years ago we had another burner that we traded to NE. With our offense changing to a run first offense, with a promising Michael Thomas we saw little need to spend big $$$ on a short speed guy, and so we moved on from Cooks and replaced him with Ginn. Our offense hasn’t missed a beat.

Ginn’s calling card with the Saints hasn’t been on ST as Hill/Kamara/TLL handle those duties. I suppose it has something to do with him getting higher up in age. But when Drew wants to keep a defense guessing, he uses what’s left of his arm strength and sends one Ginn’s way.

Reynolds is young into his career. He still has a lot of promise, and room to grow. He would benefit from hitting the jugs machine a bit this offseason, but he has potential.

Ok damnit! Enough of this. The next time you want to post something I agree with - change your mind.
Giving a Saints fan likes this week makes my stomach turn.

 

[fanotodd]

I think one of the biggest misperceptions is that it was the NO defensive front that held Gurley in check last meeting because he was held to 68 yards. The reality is that because of the score, the Rams abandoned the run. Gurley only had 13 carries but averaged over 5 yards per attempt.

As long as the Rams don't fall too far behind, I think we can grind down the saints. Our OL is playing great, and we have 2 backs to carry the load.

 

[SteveBrown]

You are miscatagorizing how Ginn is used in the Saints offense, and in your prior post you didn’t paint a complete picture of his season.

Ginn played only 5 games this season because of injury, while Reynolds played the entire year. Obviously Reynolds numbers will be higher. But when you look at catches, ypg, and catch % Ginn is better this year.

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Ginn is a guy catching 44-54 balls from 2015-2017, with 18 TDs (10 in 2016), and he still has burner speed. Reynolds offers something,but Ginn is like having Cooks in that he can run 9s and crossing patterns....and now, at his elegant age of 33, he is not dropping so many like he used to--he had a catch rate of 75% last year....so, he is a player, can do enough to capsize the Rams DBs if they sleep on him. Really, the Rams can and should win this, if they play like at Dallas (which I don't expect), but if they don't win, it will be because guys like T Ginn stepped up. We know Kamra, #28 and M THomas can do...it is the wild cards that provide the extra push.
Our WIld Card, Everett at TE, and now CJ, are the guys who will push us over the top.

 

[Prime Time]

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/new-orleans-saints/why-the-rams-arent-scary/81168366/

Why the Rams aren't scary

The NFC splits thread had me curious on things like quality of wins so since I keep harping on how the Rams just beat up bad teams I decided to just show everyone what I mean.

Rams

7 double digit wins
+20 @Oak 4-12
+34 vsAri 3-13
+12 vsLAC 12-4
+29 @SF 4-12
+14 @Det 6-10
+22 @Ari 3-13
+16 vsSF 4-12

Avg margin of victory: +21
Avg opp win total: 5.14

6 single digit wins
+7 vsMin 8-7-1
+2 @Sea 10-6
+3 @Den 6-10
+2 vsGB 6-9-1
+5 vsSea 10-6
+3 vsKC 12-4

Avg margin of victory: +3.67
Avg opp win total: 8.67

3 losses
-10 @NO 13-3
-9 @Chi 12-4
-7 vsPhi 9-7

Avg margin of defeat: -8.67
Avg opp win total: 11.33

This data tells us that against poor teams they won REALLY big, but against average teams that margin shrunk by about 19 points.

There is a clear correlation between margin of victory and opp record throughout all breakdowns. It's not a clear line, but if you graphed it there would be an obvious trend.

Against good teams they lost by an average of more than one score.

Of course the loss data is small so one of those teams isn't nearly as good, and they do have one quality win at home over the Chargers.

But overall the data shows they beat up bad teams and struggled and lost against better teams.

For the curious if you take the Chargers out of the double digit wins (call it the 2 TD wins):

Avg margin of victory: 22.5
Avg opp win total: 4

May do this for the other teams if I have time, but I wanted to illustrate the point I've been making about the Rams beating up on bad teams to make their rep. They really are not to be feared if you are a truly good team (like us and Chi), especially if you have a decent defense (which we seem to have now).
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Their problem in the playoffs last year was that they were soft. Their o-line and d-line got whipped. No mental toughness. I don't think that problem has gone away as the team is virtually the same, mediocre defense and all.

They're a finesse team that will underperform when the opponent is playing hard-nosed, playoff football. Some of our Saints teams were built exactly the same so it's easy to spot.
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@Saints Loss
Gurley - 13 rush attempts - 68 rush yards - 1 TD
3rd and 4th down conversions combined 3/10

@Chicago Loss
Gurley - 11 rush attempts - 28 rush yards - 0 TD
3rd and 4th down conversions combined 4/15

Eagles Loss
Gurley - 12 rush attempts - 48 rush yards - 2 TDs
3rd and 4th down conversions combined 4/13

Rams had 8 turnovers over the 3 games
@NO - Rams had a 0 differential
@CHI - Rams had a -1 differential
PHI - Rams had a -2 differential

It doesnt hurt to have quality run stopping personnel
Chi - No.1 home rush D
NO - No.3 home rush D
Philly - No.5 away rush D

However it is not a neccessity

In LA's best win of the season against KC(@LA) by 3 points
Gurley - 12 rush attempts - 55 rush yards - 0 Rush TD (KC has the 24th Away Rush Defense)
3rd and 4th down conversions combined 6/15
+3 in TO differential with 5 Mahomes turnovers

it may be a simple blue print but it appears to be an effective one against LA.

Contain Gurley
Defensively put LA down and distances that neutralize Gurley's impact
Dont turn the ball over
Their WRs arent enough on their own to dominate a game against the better teams in the NFL.
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They’re scary enough. Do you think we looked scary down the stretch?
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If we play them and make mistakes, they will beat us. That’s scary enough.
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They lost Kupp. He was a big part of their passing attack.
He was one of Goff's crutches, and when he was taken away, their ability to convert on 3rd downs has been diminished.
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I’m sure you could probably pull similar stats for the saints on the road in most years.

If we’re fully healthy no team can beat us in the dome.

Problem is half our ol is banged up and we may be missing Lattimore

We could still win without Armstead, peat and Latt but it’s going to be nail biters
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I don't know how much it affected their 3rd down %, but it had a huge affect on Cooks.

Taking out the first Sea and the Den game (both got hurt in Sea and Kupp in Den):

Cooks with Kupp:
6 games
42 catches (7 per game)
666 yards (111 per game)
15.9 ypc
2 TDs (0.33 per game)

Cooks without Kupp:
8 games
36 catches (4.5 per game)
485 yards (60.625 per game)
13.5 ypc
3 TDs (0.375 per game).

2.5 fewer catches per game is a good bit, and his yards per game are nearly cut in half.
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Double teams are more likely when you aren't afraid of getting burned by kupp.
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This was posted when people thought Lattimore got hurt against the Panthers.
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The eagles d-line eating is what makes me nervous.

Rams aren't as good at end but stout at Tackle.

If they can blow up plays like Philly its going to be a grind.
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Eddie Lacy in a CJ Anderson jersey doesn't scare me.
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They've managed to win 14 of the 17 games they played and that should induce a good healthy dose of respect out of any opponent playing them.

They are not the invincible team talking heads tried to make them out to be during the first two months of the season but they are a darn dangerous team to have to get around.
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I think they are scary enough, because they have individual guys that can make a play to dictate the game for them...

But one thing that has come up, is their inability to get TDs down in the red zone ever since Cupp went down. They have been near the bottom of the league in turns of TD%. If we can just do our job down in the RZ against them defensively, and in turn capitalize on our RZ trips, it would do wonders in making them one dimensional.
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I think McVay will try to stick to the run more, and if that helps convert a couple of more first downs it could start wearing down our defense.
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Aside from the obvious injuries and turnovers changing the complexion of a game, a lot will be predicated on:

1) How the refs let them play. If the Rams secondary are allowed the same physical leeway as the Cowboys, we are in trouble. I would imagine Donald will be lined up over Peat most of the game and if Drew can't get the ball out quickly, I don't think Peat will hold up. Giving Drew time in the pocket helps, but he doesn't need it. It is when his WRs can't get separation is really when he struggles. Get early pressure AND have our WRs struggle TO GET separation is when we have games like the Cowboys.

2) Getting off the field on 3rd down. I am not so much worried about shutting down Gurley or Anderson. They can get yards and we will be fine; however generally speaking when a team is able to gash another team with the run, they sustain drives by picking up the thirds and short/medium. Yard totals for RBs are as important as getting stops on 3rd down.

If the game is called moderately to even, I like our chances. If we force the Rams to have to gun it to stay in the game, I like our chances. If we can't get separation AND have early pressure, our offense will struggle. If we can get off the field, particularly due to the Rams running game, we are in trouble.
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Stats are great. Thanks for the info, but have you been watching the games? This is going to be a rough Sunday afternoon!

By the stats, we dominated the Eagles in the first half & were losing.
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It’s pretty simple, really. Contain Gurley/Anderson and the Saints will win. Easier said than done
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They had a pretty soft schedule this year while we had one of the toughest in the league.

 

[Liberator]

Wow lol. Reading that post I really get the feeling some of their fans are going to be in for a really big surprise tomorrow. Like did they not even watch the Cowboys game? I would not call the performance "soft" at all. Too bad their coaches won't be as dumb as their fans.

 

[OldSchool]

YAY another fan base coming up with their own reasons why we suck That's becoming a theme with these threads, how can we overlook the Rams. Lets ignore our own teams faults and not use these same arguments against us though!

 

[RamBall]

The Rams may end up being the 1st team ever to win a SB and never beat a good team along the way.

 

[SteveBrown]

The Rams may end up being the 1st team ever to win a SB and never beat a good team along the way.

Rams played more playofff teams than any team in the NFL---7 games against playoff teams...and VIking and Packers are no slouchers.....yes the Raiders, Cards and 49ers aren't good, but otherwise they played a solid schedule