OFFICIAL 2025 Rams Offense Thread

[CGI_Ram]

I figured we should have an offense dedicated thread too. The defense dedicated thread is a good one.

I LOVE the 13 personnel and the TE’s are ON FIRE

Well done, McVay!

 

[majrleaged]

The 13 personnel looks harder to decipher who is blocking and who is going out. Plus it is hard to argue with 3 extra 250 + blockers.
If you get the D in a basic look with LBs and Fergy is in, go hurry up cause you got mismatches all day long.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

The offense as a whole got a grade in the 90s.

 

[Steve808]

The offense as a whole got a grade in the 90s.
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Stafford was masterful in taking apart the whiners. It was a thing of beauty to watch.

 

[duanevalle22]

Just score touchdowns baby!!!!

 

[Soul Surfer]

I'm guessing McVay is using the same formations and running multiple plays from them, just like before the 13 packages became so prevalent.

I'm guessing he's going to continue the strong running game using the tight ends as blockers even more.

How do you defend the same formation and have absolutely no clue if the tight ends are going to block downfield for a wide receiver, or for an outside run or which one of the tight ends is the primary receiver?

I think McVay unveiled that three tight end primary game to avenge the loss to San Fran earlier.

But I guarantee you he has more tricks up his sleeve.

And I can't wait.

 

[PARAM]

There are opinions on what changed with the offense because this isn't the offense we saw early in the season. Some have said, it was losing to SF and McVay realizing he had to make changes. Some have said, it was Puka going down and McVay rediscovering the TE position. I think the numbers suggest it's the latter.

The Frisco Theory:

Over the first 5 games the offense had 50 possessions (not counting kneel downs or kneeling to end the first half). They scored 14 TDs and kick 9 FGs. Granted there were a couple of missed FGs too. (25 PPG)

Over the last 4 games the offense had 39 possessions (that count). They scored 18 TDs and kicked 1 FG. (32.2 PPG)

A 7.2 PPG difference

The TE / 13 P Theory:

Over the first 6 games the offense had 59 possessions. They scored 16 TDs and kicked 10 FGs. (23.6 PPG)

Over the last 3 games the offense had 30 possessions. They scored 16 TDs and kick 0 FGs. (37.1 PPG)

A 13.5 PPG difference

 

[majrleaged]

There are opinions on what changed with the offense because this isn't the offense we saw early in the season. Some have said, it was losing to SF and McVay realizing he had to make changes. Some have said, it was Puka going down and McVay rediscovering the TE position. I think the numbers suggest it's the latter.

The Frisco Theory:

Over the first 5 games the offense had 50 possessions (not counting kneel downs or kneeling to end the first half). They scored 14 TDs and kick 9 FGs. Granted there were a couple of missed FGs too. (25 PPG)

Over the last 4 games the offense had 39 possessions (that count). They scored 18 TDs and kicked 1 FG. (32.2 PPG)

A 7.2 PPG difference

The TE / 13 P Theory:

Over the first 6 games the offense had 59 possessions. They scored 16 TDs and kicked 10 FGs. (23.6 PPG)

Over the last 3 games the offense had 30 possessions. They scored 16 TDs and kick 0 FGs. (37.1 PPG)

A 13.5 PPG difference

It was not the frisco theory. They have run that offense against them for years with verying success and never saw any reason to change.
They were not running 13 during the Jacksonville game with Puka not injured. The big change there was the connection between Adams and Stafford. The next game is when the big 13 personnel change was introduced.

 

[RamFan503]

There are opinions on what changed with the offense because this isn't the offense we saw early in the season. Some have said, it was losing to SF and McVay realizing he had to make changes. Some have said, it was Puka going down and McVay rediscovering the TE position. I think the numbers suggest it's the latter.

The Frisco Theory:

Over the first 5 games the offense had 50 possessions (not counting kneel downs or kneeling to end the first half). They scored 14 TDs and kick 9 FGs. Granted there were a couple of missed FGs too. (25 PPG)

Over the last 4 games the offense had 39 possessions (that count). They scored 18 TDs and kicked 1 FG. (32.2 PPG)

A 7.2 PPG difference

The TE / 13 P Theory:

Over the first 6 games the offense had 59 possessions. They scored 16 TDs and kicked 10 FGs. (23.6 PPG)

Over the last 3 games the offense had 30 possessions. They scored 16 TDs and kick 0 FGs. (37.1 PPG)

A 13.5 PPG difference

I actually think it was the plan all along. I believe that Sean wanted to really change things up on offense but needed the tools to do it. Ferguson missed a lot of the off season as did some of our O-line and I believe Allen and Parkinson were nicked up. With our healthy O-line and all our TEs ready to go, it's time to show some brute force in the offense. I think McVay has been dying to get past this "finesse" moniker for his offense and show that the Rams could be a power offense when they needed to be.

I still think they will look to change it up so they can both hit you in the mouth and then toss it over your heads. McVay finally has his offense the way he wants it. And I think he is going to look to make some statements.

If our defense shows some grit, watch out.

 

[PARAM]

They were not running 13 during the Jacksonville game with Puka not injured. The big change there was the connection between Adams and Stafford. The next game is when the big 13 personnel change was introduced.

Puka missed the Jax game. Isn't that when the 13P sets started?

Allen 36 snaps (51%)
Ferguson 34 snaps (49%)
Parkinson 33 snaps (47%)
Higbee 26 snaps (37%)

 

[OldSchool]

Biggest upgrade for the offense has been the red zone execution. Love to see it and hope it keeps up.

 

[majrleaged]

Puka missed the Jax game. Isn't that when the 13P sets started?

Allen 36 snaps (51%)
Ferguson 34 snaps (49%)
Parkinson 33 snaps (47%)
Higbee 26 snaps (37%)

RIght. I forgot the Ravens game he got injured. But my point still stands. The rams played their standard personel in the game after SF.

 

[PARAM]

RIght. I forgot the Ravens game he got injured. But my point still stands. The rams played their standard personel in the game after SF.

I think what we have here is confusion of the schedule. You said "they didn't run 13P in the Jacksonville game" which is wrong. Obviously you confused the Jacksonville game with the Baltimore game, even though they ran some 13 P in that game AFTER Puka was injured. Here's an article about the 13P.

McVay's Schematic Switch

"Then, with 10:02 left in the first half of the Rams’ 17-3 Week 6 win over the Baltimore Ravens, receiver Puka Nacua suffered a sprained left ankle, and everything changed. Nacua has become one of the league’s best receivers, and with him out for any length of time, things were going to be different.

For McVay, being different meant using a personnel package he’d barely ever used before – 13 personnel, with 1 back, three tight ends, and one receiver. The Rams hadn’t utilized 13 personnel on a single snap this season until about a quarter after Nacua’s injury. In the second half, they had eight plays in 13, and all were running plays.

The first time the Rams ran out of 13 personnel, running back Kyren Williams scored a rushing touchdown from three yards out.


With a week to figure out what to do without Nacua, and a trip to London’s Wembley Stadium to face the Jacksonville Jaguars in the meantime, McVay drastically stretched his definitions of 13 personnel, especially in the passing game. In Los Angeles’ 35-7 blowout of the Jags, the Rams ran 13 on 29 of their 72 offensive plays, a startling 40.2% of their snaps. To put that in perspective, the Pittsburgh Steelers lead the league with a 15.9% 13 personnel rate for the entire season – 52 plays out of 327. Teams just don’t run 13 this much in a single game, and you would expect it the least from an 11 personnel evangelist like Sean McVay. "

 

[Merlin]

Rams offense is ranked 5th in ppg (27.9). This is a big deal. For reference they were 19th last year in the same metric (21.9). The difference in offensive potency is night and day and that was an NFCCG team.

Stafford is ranked 2nd in passer rating (114.4). Additionally over the past three games he is sitting at 129.2 which is far and away the best in the league (Goff, who is the league leader in passer rating, has been at 110.4 during that time).

Run game has not been so good, with the Rams sitting at 21st in ypc. Additionally over the past three games the Rams are sitting 28th in ypc. Now this is not too concerning, however, for a couple reasons.

First reason is the Rams aren't a run-first offense. They're a throw-to-run offense under McVay and always will be. In the seasons that has not functioned correctly, it has been because of either shit ass OL play or garbage RBs. And that has hurt the offensive efficiency. But this year it's popping off in that backfield.

And secondly where this popping off can be seen is the fact the Rams are picking up first downs on the ground. This is really important in taking pressure off the QB position, that he can hand it off and have a legit chance to move the chains. Over the past three games the Rams have produced the 5th most rushing first down conversions in the league. And for the year they have not been bad considering they have been above average, at 11th, which I think was hurt by the early season inefficiency on the OL. Which has disappeared since Avila's return.

Last but not least in Redzone efficiency (TD scoring percentage only) they have not been too impressive on the season, where they are sitting at 12th (63.41%). However over the past few games they have been clocking a rate of 86.67% which is good for 2nd in the league. True rarified air for a McVay offense, which so often struggles in the Redzone.

Again I think we can look first to Avila and Dotson both being in the lineup next to Shelton, which solidifies our interior OL. And secondly the 13 sets, which frankly have been a revelation and which you can bet are going to spread around the league. Though many teams will not have the personnel to pull it off.

 

[dieterbrock]

They sure miss Tutu eh?

 

[majrleaged]

I think what we have here is confusion of the schedule. You said "they didn't run 13P in the Jacksonville game" which is wrong. Obviously you confused the Jacksonville game with the Baltimore game, even though they ran some 13 P in that game AFTER Puka was injured. Here's an article about the 13P.

McVay's Schematic Switch

"Then, with 10:02 left in the first half of the Rams’ 17-3 Week 6 win over the Baltimore Ravens, receiver Puka Nacua suffered a sprained left ankle, and everything changed. Nacua has become one of the league’s best receivers, and with him out for any length of time, things were going to be different.

For McVay, being different meant using a personnel package he’d barely ever used before – 13 personnel, with 1 back, three tight ends, and one receiver. The Rams hadn’t utilized 13 personnel on a single snap this season until about a quarter after Nacua’s injury. In the second half, they had eight plays in 13, and all were running plays.

The first time the Rams ran out of 13 personnel, running back Kyren Williams scored a rushing touchdown from three yards out.


With a week to figure out what to do without Nacua, and a trip to London’s Wembley Stadium to face the Jacksonville Jaguars in the meantime, McVay drastically stretched his definitions of 13 personnel, especially in the passing game. In Los Angeles’ 35-7 blowout of the Jags, the Rams ran 13 on 29 of their 72 offensive plays, a startling 40.2% of their snaps. To put that in perspective, the Pittsburgh Steelers lead the league with a 15.9% 13 personnel rate for the entire season – 52 plays out of 327. Teams just don’t run 13 this much in a single game, and you would expect it the least from an 11 personnel evangelist like Sean McVay. "

correct. the question of your original post was, what theory for why they started using the 13 set. It is obvious that it is because of Puca missing time.

 

[Merlin]

correct. the question of your original post was, what theory for why they started using the 13 set. It is obvious that it is because of Puca missing time.

I think so. Maybe they also asked themselves "how do we keep Puka healthy for the playoffs?" The answer for which is tail back his over-the-middle usage a bit. Enter the TEs.

I wasn't sure they could step up. It's why I wanted Andrews at the deadline in fact. But I was wrong, these boys are taking care of business.

 

[TexasRam]

It’s not just the 13 that propelled our offense.

It’s also Avila getting back in and settling the Oline.

It’s also Stafford synching up with Davante due to Puka out.

It’s also our last 4 opponents Defenses have been dogshit. Ravens, Jags, Saints and shitters.

Also Fergy fully ready, Allen improving (likely feeling pressure from Ferg) and Higbee looking healthy and better conditioned.

Stafford zeroed in, smelling blood and making his MVP/Hall of Fame push.

Lots of variables in play. The biggest is Oline and defenses played. If we were still 11 personnel with Puka Healthy I would bet on similar production during the 4 game stretch.

Not to negate the 13. It alone causes issues and a wrinkle defenses were not prepare for.

 

[majrleaged]

I actually think it was the plan all along. I believe that Sean wanted to really change things up on offense but needed the tools to do it. Ferguson missed a lot of the off season as did some of our O-line and I believe Allen and Parkinson were nicked up. With our healthy O-line and all our TEs ready to go, it's time to show some brute force in the offense. I think McVay has been dying to get past this "finesse" moniker for his offense and show that the Rams could be a power offense when they needed to be.

I still think they will look to change it up so they can both hit you in the mouth and then toss it over your heads. McVay finally has his offense the way he wants it. And I think he is going to look to make some statements.

If our defense shows some grit, watch out.

I mentioned this as well. McVay had the 12 and 13 set in his back pocket. Hoping to spring it and catch the NFL off guard. The Puka issue just forced McVay to make the move.

 

[PARAM]

I liked what Greg Cosell said today on The Herd when asked about the Rams offense and 13P. He said it isn't being talked about enough. What they've done is remarkable.