2020 Trade Bait ?

[Riverumbbq]

Here's how I see it ...
Just as an example, take New England for instance : The Pats have a late 1'st round pick and a late 3'rd round pick, and they've identified the TE position as must upgrade to stay viable in the play-offs for 2020 with their current scheme, they've also determined that it's a weak draft at the TE position and really would prefer a vet over a developmental rookie. They have no 2'nd round pick. Rather than opt at a draft reach with their 1'st round pick, they take a look at what might be available in free agency or by trade. Their first interest might be in Hunter Henry, but San Diego re-signs him, then they notice the Rams are offering Everett for that late #3.

I'm not going to debate player valuation as every team has their own method of determining a players value for themselves, some are a hit and some are a miss, but the escalating costs suggest they aren't done inflating salaries while they try to find that magic bullet. Draft boards can be incredibly different from team to team. Teams have a tendency to overpay for players at need positions when they can't come by them by other means. If there is a mathematical formula for determining player value, i'm yet to see it, analytics can provide some guidance, but until its fine tuned enough to replace GM's, determining value continues to involve divergent processes, that and a bit of luck. And like teams in the past, I would talk to the player and his agent about future compensation when considering trading for a Franchise player, signing them as early as possible like was done with Frank Clark & Dee Ford.
jmo.

 

[kurtfaulk]

It's about maximizing the roster in terms of cost vs usage vs market value.

Everett's value for this team, that does not even like running two TEs, may not be worth passing on getting a late 3rd (if that is his market value).

That late 3rd can be used to bolster more pressing needs on this roster at a low cost and for the next 4 yrs. Everett is likely only here for one year and anything beyond that would be at a higher cost.

So when Snead talks about tradeable assets, that is the calculation they are likely looking at. As this team must make the most of every player/ asset that they have.

This is how i look at it - i want the rams to win the superbowl next season. The best way to achieve that is to have higbee and Everett on the field at the same time as long as possible.

Mcvay ran the 11 personnel because he had three ridiculous wrs in cooks, woods and kupp. Now his best options are woods, kupp, higbee and Everett. The 12 personnel is the way forward for the rams. Their offense would become unstoppable. Everett should be able to block well enough to stay on the field on running plays.

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[kurtfaulk]

I want us to keep Everett and for McVay to go over the Pats offense when they had Gronk and Hernandez. When they had two TEs who could both block and run routes, that damn offense was near unstoppable and would constantly give Brady easy throws. No team has enough LBs to cover two pass catching TEs.

That's what I want.

I haven't checked but I'm pretty sure when they had those two together their offense put up 500 points three years in a row. The only other team to do that was the gsot. I'm guessing many more will do it now with the rule changes but these two offenses were so good. Revolutionary for their time.

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[Corbin]

Snead made 3 trades in just a matter of hours earlier this season when they acquired Corbett, Young & Ramsey while moving Peters. Later Talib was also moved. Snead has changed the face of NFL trading since his big trade with Washington back in 2012, doubt he is done. jmo.

Totally agree has changed the face of trading in the NFL ( with demoff making the contract/numbers happen) and he has a lot of ammo still in capital in regards to players.

I do however disagree wholeheartedly he will trade Woods, and I doubt Everett as well. Going to be interesting to say the least! lol

 

[CGI_Ram]

As productive as Higbee has been, his role needs another player to share snaps and protect against injury. It’s clearly become a key role in the evolving offense.

Everett is an unpolished gem and we’ve seen Higbee flashes with him. Including 136yds at Seattle week 5.

His hands and running style are real intriguing to me. I really like Everett and want to see more - here. I think he’s a better receiver than Higbee, I do.

 

[Kevin]

Or the Pats could offer market rate contracts to UDFAs like Eric Ebron, Hunter Henry, Tyler Eifert or Darren Fells and save the draft pick.

 

[dieterbrock]

I like the Tag Fowler and see what his trade value is route. I don't see how being "stuck" with him at the tag $$ amount would be a bad thing, and like has been said, they could remove the tag (although Im not sure if they can if he signs it first)

 

[Akrasian]

I like the Tag Fowler and see what his trade value is route. I don't see how being "stuck" with him at the tag $$ amount would be a bad thing, and like has been said, they could remove the tag (although Im not sure if they can if he signs it first)

Nope. If he signs it they are committed. IIRC, if they tag him then remove it they don't get a comp pick for him. So it's a big gamble for them.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Or the Pats could offer market rate contracts to UDFAs like Eric Ebron, Hunter Henry, Tyler Eifert or Darren Fells and save the draft pick.

In that event the Rams lose nothing, they also don't gain an extra draft pick or any CAP relief. Being draft bait doesn't mean you've guaranteed the hook on the line, it only means you're participating in a system which may offer other options. If the Rams value Everett as equivalent to no less than a 3'rd rounder, you stick to that, no-one is talking about giving guys away.

 

[PhillyRam]

Or the Pats could offer market rate contracts to UDFAs like Eric Ebron, Hunter Henry, Tyler Eifert or Darren Fells and save the draft pick.

Or they trade for Everett and save the cap room.

Also they don't gamble that Eifert or Henry can stay healthy after a big FA Payday or that Ebron was a one hit wonder after signing what will be a big contract.

 

[PhillyRam]

This is how i look at it - i want the rams to win the superbowl next season. The best way to achieve that is to have higbee and Everett on the field at the same time as long as possible.

Mcvay ran the 11 personnel because he had three ridiculous wrs in cooks, woods and kupp. Now his best options are woods, kupp, higbee and Everett. The 12 personnel is the way forward for the rams. Their offense would become unstoppable. Everett should be able to block well enough to stay on the field on running plays.

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Well I look at it as a roadmap for the next 3 yrs while also trying to win it next year.

If "Everett's pick" lands you a good young pass rushing DL that can help Donald or a stud ILB who can replace a departed Littleton by year's end, while also being part of this team for the next 4 yrs, then I take that pick.

For instance, who was more important this year, Everett or Bobby Evans? Or even David Edwards?

Fill a weakness with that pick and use Higbee/ Mundt abd develop a kid behind them.

 

[Riverumbbq]

As productive as Higbee has been, his role needs another player to share snaps and protect against injury. It’s clearly become a key role in the evolving offense.

Everett is an unpolished gem and we’ve seen Higbee flashes with him. Including 136yds at Seattle week 5.

Mundt has been a pretty good #2 to Higbee while Everett's been absent, perhaps not the same receiving threat yet, but he's stepped up imo.

Unpolished gems are also known as rocks in their more natural state.
I doubt we'd be discussing Everett much at all if it weren't for our possibly losing Fowler, Littleton & Brockers to free agency, having a limited number of higher draft picks and wanting to extend the contracts of Ramsey, Kupp, John Johnson & Everett in an unfriendly CAP atmosphere, but desperate times often call for a dramatic action, so trying to pinpoint an area where Peter becomes the fall guy in order to pay Paul, not everybody is going to be happy about it.

I've brought up names like Everett, Havenstein & Robey-Coleman for potential trade, and there is a valid argument which might be used for retaining them all, ... either we stand pat and rely on the status quo, or we gamble on the unknown and take a few chances.
jmo.

 

[dieterbrock]

Nope. If he signs it they are committed. IIRC, if they tag him then remove it they don't get a comp pick for him. So it's a big gamble for them.

Not sure why rescinding the tag would cause a team to lose a pick. They lose the ability to franchise tag someone else which seems penalty enough. Carolina tagged Josh Norman and still got a comp pick for him even though they rescinded his tag

 

[Kevin]

In that event the Rams lose nothing, they also don't gain an extra draft pick or any CAP relief. Being draft bait doesn't mean you've guaranteed the hook on the line, it only means you're participating in a system which may offer other options. If the Rams value Everett as equivalent to no less than a 3'rd rounder, you stick to that, no-one is talking about giving guys away.

That's fine but it's not what I'm talking about either. From the Pats point of view, why would I give up a third round pick for a tight end that the Rams don't want anymore when I can just offer a contract to one of the free agents I listed and keep my pick? Think of it from the other team's perspective.

 

[Riverumbbq]

That's fine but it's not what I'm talking about either. From the Pats point of view, why would I give up a third round pick for a tight end that the Rams don't want anymore when I can just offer a contract to one of the free agents I listed and keep my pick? Think of it from the other team's perspective.

Well, ... not all those guys listed as free agents will remain so, many teams with deeper CAP pockets than ours will be re-signing key players soon unless they have new coaching and a new scheme philosophy. Also, not all those players you mention may be as good or as young as what Everett potentially offers. And it may not be as easy as saying the Rams don't want Everett anymore, NFL teams must make these tough decisions every year when contracts are nearing an end and CAP realities set in.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Mundt has been a pretty good #2 to Higbee while Everett's been absent, perhaps not the same receiving threat yet, but he's stepped up imo.

Unpolished gems are also known as rocks in their more natural state.
I doubt we'd be discussing Everett much at all if it weren't for our possibly losing Fowler, Littleton & Brockers to free agency, having a limited number of higher draft picks and wanting to extend the contracts of Ramsey, Kupp, John Johnson & Everett in an unfriendly CAP atmosphere, but desperate times often call for a dramatic action, so trying to pinpoint an area where Peter becomes the fall guy in order to pay Paul, not everybody is going to be happy about it.

I've brought up names like Everett, Havenstein & Robey-Coleman for potential trade, and there is a valid argument which might be used for retaining them all, ... either we stand pat and rely on the status quo, or we gamble on the unknown and take a few chances.
jmo.

I actually agree with the approach you are taking... I just don’t like it.

To “get something” you have to “give up something of value”, and Everett fits that.