2020 NFL trade deadline (Nov-03, 4pm EST)

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Reynolds has played relatively well this year. The last few games he has made some good, tough plays. I don't see him making a ton of errors.
I think he is perfect trade material if another team thinks he's worth giving up something that the Rams would want.
 

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Somehow in a trade unless it is a great player like Williams I want a first or super high second but if feels far fetched.
 

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Yeah Reynolds has been making pretty clutch catches the last 3 games. He just needs to go up with more authority for those contested balls a bit more. He has the size thats for sure. If we lose him we lose the biggest WR target we have. I think he’s underrated by a lot of posters on here. His size to speed ratio is above average and he makes some nice catches in traffic. He’s also been in the system for 4 years now and a great insurance policy if Kupp or Woods were to go down which is highly likely at some point. Not sure if our highly touted rookie Jefferson is ready to take on that role
 

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If Snead makes a trade its gotta be someone he envisions as being impactful.

That Eagles scenario sucks imo. Nobody is giving up a second for three free agents to be.
 

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And if they've been showcasing him the last couple weeks, he's only caught 8 of 17 targets in that stretch

I've been wondering if we've been trying to feed him targets recently to spark interest with the trade deadline looming. Kind of strange Jefferson has hardly been seeing targets but Reynolds has been playing well. If we could move him and or everett for picks I think we should. I was on board for moving JJ as well but with the injuries at safety that makes me uneasy now.

We haven't had a first round pick in forever so all additional draft capital will help us fill holes/add depth. Especially with how we've been hitting on a lot of our mid round/late picks.
 

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I've been wondering if we've been trying to feed him targets recently to spark interest with the trade deadline looming. Kind of strange Jefferson has hardly been seeing targets but Reynolds has been playing well. If we could move him and or everett for picks I think we should. I was on board for moving JJ as well but with the injuries at safety that makes me uneasy now.

We haven't had a first round pick in forever so all additional draft capital will help us fill holes/add depth. Especially with how we've been hitting on a lot of our mid round/late picks.

The Rams should have a second and three third rounders. They should be able get some good picks with that and have enough ammo to move up to grab a late round 2 pick if needed.

As long as they are in the hunt trading JJ or Reynolds doesn't help win this year, even if everyone was healthy. If they cannot sign JJ, they likely get a third comp pick in 2022. That's better than what they'd get for him in a trade as a rental. I hope they can sign JJ. He's a top safety in the league and integral to this teams success.

The fact that Reynolds is playing as much as he is and making plays, and Jefferson isn't tells me that the rookie is not ready to produce as much as Josh has. If the Rams were out of it, I could see them showcasing players but they are not playing games. They are on course to be in the playoffs.
 

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JJ and Reynolds are not expendable this year. Everett and SJD (with return of Robinson) could be but I’d like to keep them on. All hands on deck for the next 9+ games.
 

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The fact that Reynolds is playing as much as he is and making plays, and Jefferson isn't tells me that the rookie is not ready to produce as much as Josh has
It's a good point, though it will be interesting to see after the bye if the snap counts change

All in all, you'd have to be overwhelmed to trade anyone right now, unless you are out of it. In this covid era, quality depth is something you can never have enough of
 

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I guess pass attempts are useless too? Rushing attempts?
I think this is a little apples to oranges. I actually agree that target to catch is almost a useless stat. It may show over a large sample size that a receiver just isn't making the catches if several other receivers with large sample sizes have consistently higher catch ratios. But especially with a receiver that hasn't had a whole lot of time on the field with his QB, I would expect a lower ratio. IMO, there should be a better metric that would only include catchable passes. I'm not saying to totally do away with target to catch. I just don't think it tells you all that much.
 

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I think this is a little apples to oranges. I actually agree that target to catch is almost a useless stat. It may show over a large sample size that a receiver just isn't making the catches if several other receivers with large sample sizes have consistently higher catch ratios. But especially with a receiver that hasn't had a whole lot of time on the field with his QB, I would expect a lower ratio. IMO, there should be a better metric that would only include catchable passes. I'm not saying to totally do away with target to catch. I just don't think it tells you all that much.
I think it says a lot, particularly when you consider the routes a player runs. For instance a deep threat will likely have a lower catch rate than a slot WR etc. But in Reynolds case, I think it does speak volumes also considering how high they drafted Jefferson. His catch rate year after year is the lowest on the team amongst WR & TE. If he had 1 low year, sure it's written off, but every year? Goff completes 64% of his passes in McVay era and Reynolds catch rate is 53%. Everett 63%, Woods 65%, Cooks 65%, Higbee 67% and Kupp at 70%.
So we'll see how it plays out, and I think keeping an eye on the distribution of snaps/targets with Jefferson will be telling
 

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The 2020 trade deadline is on the same day as Election Day, with all deals in the NFL needing to be made by 4 p.m. ET on Nov. 3. The Rams have been aggressive in recent years at the deadline, acquiring players such as Dante Fowler Jr., Jalen Ramsey and Austin Corbett.

We’ve already laid out possible trade targets for L.A. if Les Snead is looking to add help to the roster, but let’s now look at some possible trade chips the Rams could ship out of town. To be clear, none of these players are likely to be traded, but if the Rams are in search of draft capital or maybe a player-for-player trade, they could possibly be dealt.

WR Josh Reynolds
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This is less about what Reynolds has or hasn’t done and more about the lack of snaps for Van Jefferson. In the last five games, Jefferson has two catches for 22 yards and has played a total of 35 snaps. For comparison, Reynolds played 53 snaps alone in Week 7 against the Bears.

Reynolds has played well this season, catching 18 passes for 278 yards and two touchdowns, but Jefferson has shown potential, too. There simply aren’t enough opportunities to go around in a crowded receiver room. The Rams will most likely let Reynolds leave in the offseason when his contract expires, promoting Jefferson to a starting role, but it wouldn’t be a bad idea to recoup a draft pick for Reynolds now and give Jefferson more playing time in his rookie season. It’s hard to imagine the Rams getting more than a fourth- or fifth-round pick for Reynolds, though.

RB Malcolm Brown
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For the same reasons the Rams might consider trading Reynolds, they might also think about dealing Brown. He’ll also be a free agent in 2021 and he, too, is blocking a rookie from playing. Brown has done a nice job behind Darrell Henderson but his presence has all but eliminated Cam Akers’ role. Trading Brown would not only give Henderson more chances as the starter, but also give Akers additional snaps, which will help his development.

It’s all but certain that the Rams will let Brown walk in free agency this coming offseason, opening the door for Akers in 2021, but why not give the rookie more chances now? He’s shown flashes of potential, it’s just that there’s only one football to go around for three running backs.

CB Troy Hill
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The Rams’ secondary is playing really well right now, with Hill improving after a difficult start. He’s gotten better since playing outside more often than in the slot, but he’s still allowing a completion rate of 78.3%. The Rams probably won’t want to break up the chemistry they’ve found in the secondary, but 2019 third-round pick David Long Jr. is waiting in the wings.

He’s barely played this season and trading away Hill would get him on the field sooner and more often. That’s not to say he’d be an upgrade over Hill, but the Rams have to get something out of Long at some point. He was sticky in coverage in college and should be able to hold up outside in the NFL. This is a real long shot to happen, but you never know with the Rams. They offloaded Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib at the deadline last year.

TE Gerald Everett
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Everett’s name always comes up when discussing possible trade chips for the Rams, and this year is no different. It was even reported in September that the Rams got calls about Everett’s availability but declined them. When healthy, Tyler Higbee is the starter at tight end. Johnny Mundt showed he can be more than just a blocker against the Bears, and Brycen Hopkins was essentially drafted to replace Everett in 2021 and beyond.

Everett could probably net the Rams a mid-round pick and help a team in need of a pass-catching tight end, but that may not be enough to warrant a trade by L.A. He has a role on offense and there’s no guarantee that Mundt or Hopkins would be able to replace his production on the field. In all likelihood, the Rams will probably hold onto Everett for the rest of the season and take the compensatory pick that he’ll net them by leaving in free agency.

DL Sebastian Joseph-Day
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Joseph-Day has been the Rams’ starting nose tackle the last two years and there’s been no word that he’s on the move. However, the Rams were clearly not content with him coming into 2020 as the starter after signing A’Shawn Robinson and then bringing back Michael Brockers.

Well, Robinson is set to return this week and Brockers is playing well, which means Joseph-Day’s role will be limited moving forward. The Rams also have Greg Gaines and Morgan Fox in the rotation, so they don’t lack defensive line depth – and that’s without even mentioning Aaron Donald.

Joseph-Day won’t get the Rams much in return, but if he’s also not going to play much at all, something is better than nothing – especially for a team in need of draft capital.
 
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Re: that article above and as much as I've been on Hill's ass I don't see him being considered for trade. Reason being that Long hasn't been able to push for playing time. Also corners can drop like flies man, so even if Long were to push for playing time I would hold on to Hill as a key reserve. I believe in that saying you can't get enough of them.

Brown same thing. When Akers is ready Brown should be relegated to short yardage, redzone, etc. He would be fine in that role, coming in hot to hammer that shit when we need it.

SJD is intriguing though. Hadn't really considered that. But they better be sure they can count on Robinson if they do that. Right now I'm leery about Robinson because he's a jeckyl and hyde type if you look at his time in Detroit. Whereas SJD is a guy who gives you full effort snap to snap, having players like him on a roster is important.
 

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The 2020 trade deadline is on the same day as Election Day, with all deals in the NFL needing to be made by 4 p.m. ET on Nov. 3. The Rams have been aggressive in recent years at the deadline, acquiring players such as Dante Fowler Jr., Jalen Ramsey and Austin Corbett.

We’ve already laid out possible trade targets for L.A. if Les Snead is looking to add help to the roster, but let’s now look at some possible trade chips the Rams could ship out of town. To be clear, none of these players are likely to be traded, but if the Rams are in search of draft capital or maybe a player-for-player trade, they could possibly be dealt.

WR Josh Reynolds
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This is less about what Reynolds has or hasn’t done and more about the lack of snaps for Van Jefferson. In the last five games, Jefferson has two catches for 22 yards and has played a total of 35 snaps. For comparison, Reynolds played 53 snaps alone in Week 7 against the Bears.

Reynolds has played well this season, catching 18 passes for 278 yards and two touchdowns, but Jefferson has shown potential, too. There simply aren’t enough opportunities to go around in a crowded receiver room. The Rams will most likely let Reynolds leave in the offseason when his contract expires, promoting Jefferson to a starting role, but it wouldn’t be a bad idea to recoup a draft pick for Reynolds now and give Jefferson more playing time in his rookie season. It’s hard to imagine the Rams getting more than a fourth- or fifth-round pick for Reynolds, though.

RB Malcolm Brown
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For the same reasons the Rams might consider trading Reynolds, they might also think about dealing Brown. He’ll also be a free agent in 2021 and he, too, is blocking a rookie from playing. Brown has done a nice job behind Darrell Henderson but his presence has all but eliminated Cam Akers’ role. Trading Brown would not only give Henderson more chances as the starter, but also give Akers additional snaps, which will help his development.

It’s all but certain that the Rams will let Brown walk in free agency this coming offseason, opening the door for Akers in 2021, but why not give the rookie more chances now? He’s shown flashes of potential, it’s just that there’s only one football to go around for three running backs.

CB Troy Hill
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The Rams’ secondary is playing really well right now, with Hill improving after a difficult start. He’s gotten better since playing outside more often than in the slot, but he’s still allowing a completion rate of 78.3%. The Rams probably won’t want to break up the chemistry they’ve found in the secondary, but 2019 third-round pick David Long Jr. is waiting in the wings.

He’s barely played this season and trading away Hill would get him on the field sooner and more often. That’s not to say he’d be an upgrade over Hill, but the Rams have to get something out of Long at some point. He was sticky in coverage in college and should be able to hold up outside in the NFL. This is a real long shot to happen, but you never know with the Rams. They offloaded Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib at the deadline last year.

TE Gerald Everett
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Everett’s name always comes up when discussing possible trade chips for the Rams, and this year is no different. It was even reported in September that the Rams got calls about Everett’s availability but declined them. When healthy, Tyler Higbee is the starter at tight end. Johnny Mundt showed he can be more than just a blocker against the Bears, and Brycen Hopkins was essentially drafted to replace Everett in 2021 and beyond.

Everett could probably net the Rams a mid-round pick and help a team in need of a pass-catching tight end, but that may not be enough to warrant a trade by L.A. He has a role on offense and there’s no guarantee that Mundt or Hopkins would be able to replace his production on the field. In all likelihood, the Rams will probably hold onto Everett for the rest of the season and take the compensatory pick that he’ll net them by leaving in free agency.

DL Sebastian Joseph-Day
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Joseph-Day has been the Rams’ starting nose tackle the last two years and there’s been no word that he’s on the move. However, the Rams were clearly not content with him coming into 2020 as the starter after signing A’Shawn Robinson and then bringing back Michael Brockers.

Well, Robinson is set to return this week and Brockers is playing well, which means Joseph-Day’s role will be limited moving forward. The Rams also have Greg Gaines and Morgan Fox in the rotation, so they don’t lack defensive line depth – and that’s without even mentioning Aaron Donald.

Joseph-Day won’t get the Rams much in return, but if he’s also not going to play much at all, something is better than nothing – especially for a team in need of draft capital.


Nobody on that list should be considered a trade option. If Jefferson could do what Reynolds is doing they'd be splitting snaps. They obviously aren't.

SJD, as much as I think he's not a good player, they shouldn't mess with Dline depth. That would be foolish.

Malcolm Brown is the more physical tough yards type. That role can't be replaced with a guy with a rib injury. I don't think Brown is blocking Akers from playing as much as they are trying to let him heal. When he first was injured it was reported that a separated rib cartilage can take a year to heal. I also don't think the Rams just let Brown walk after the season. He won't command a big contract from other teams. Having his style of running in the rotation is nice.

Troy Hill? If David Long was capable of playing as well or better than Hill then he'd be starting over Troy. Darious Williams starts and he's not a third round pick. Hill is a backup for a reason.

Gerald Everett is the only possibility that could make sense, because he's not a good blocker, but they'd have to be sure Mundt could replace him. I still think it makes little sense to disrupt the roster at this point. btw Mentioning Hopkins at this point is foolishness. Saying he was drafted to replace Everett may be accurate in May but the fact that he hasn't even displaced Mundt makes me think its a long shot to project Hopkins to take over for Everett any time soon, if ever. Mundt seems to have the upper hand in that battle.
 

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I guess pass attempts are useless too? Rushing attempts?
When a pass is thrown to them that is clearly uncatchable not only is it an incomplete pass but that stat will show that the receiver failed to catch the ball when it clearly was not his fault. So two people get blamed, the QB and the WR. Unfair stats by far.
 

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When a pass is thrown to them that is clearly uncatchable not only is it an incomplete pass but that stat will show that the receiver failed to catch the ball when it clearly was not his fault. So two people get blamed, the QB and the WR. Unfair stats by far.
Well, if the QB completion % is consistently higher throwing to other recievers, doesn't that make it fair in comparing players on the same team? The QB is the same, so why such a variance? Is Reynolds running more difficult routes? I dont think so
 

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I think this is a little apples to oranges. I actually agree that target to catch is almost a useless stat. It may show over a large sample size that a receiver just isn't making the catches if several other receivers with large sample sizes have consistently higher catch ratios. But especially with a receiver that hasn't had a whole lot of time on the field with his QB, I would expect a lower ratio. IMO, there should be a better metric that would only include catchable passes. I'm not saying to totally do away with target to catch. I just don't think it tells you all that much.

It's like one of those MNF stats they just throw out at us. More for talking heads to discuss, but I never use the word target when I talk about WRs, just catches. I like keeping it simple in this case, like before that stat was introduced.

On an interception the player the QB threw the ball near to is the stat target, as is a throw away out of bounds. It also brings up, if say 2 receivers end up running in the same spot, that the target could be misinterpreted. Just too many variables to rely on. I would never blame Josh for 8 catches on 17 targets, so I just ignore the target stat.
 

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It's like one of those MNF stats they just throw out at us. More for talking heads to discuss, but I never use the word target when I talk about WRs, just catches. I like keeping it simple in this case, like before that stat was introduced.

On an interception the player the QB threw the ball near to is the stat target, as is a throw away out of bounds. It also brings up, if say 2 receivers end up running in the same spot, that the target could be misinterpreted. Just too many variables to rely on. I would never blame Josh for 8 catches on 17 targets, so I just ignore the target stat.
So a QB can complete 8 for 10 or 8 for 17, and it doesnt matter?
 

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A target is only a stat for the Fantasy Football crowd. It allows us (non coaching staff or stats folk....) to see if a receiver has a decent makeup, that the QB will throw his way. That throw-a-away passes are counted as such, should show how "needed" the stat actually is.
 

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A target is only a stat for the Fantasy Football crowd. It allows us (non coaching staff or stats folk....) to see if a receiver has a decent makeup, that the QB will throw his way. That throw-a-away passes are counted as such, should show how "needed" the stat actually is.
How many points do you get for a target in fantasy football?