2020 NFL Draft: Rounds 2-3

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Rams have a lot of invested in unknown. A lot of lineman on offense either had injury shortened years or are unproven. But a lot of quantity there. Same at ILB. Lot of guys there on squad without the game reps. Is there more than meets the eye? We don’t know.
 

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We don’t have vacancies in our starting lineups like the Dolphins or Bengals or other cellar dweller teams do where we need to have a rookie start for us. We are picking players to develop and contribute in their rookie year and maybe step up as a starter in their second year with the team. We are in a good place.
Again, don't disagree that they are good. I'm not being negative here. I also think we are in a good place. I just would have liked some sure thing starters (from day one), which were there for us to get, and we didn't.

These are all talented players. Absolutely agree. As an aside, we did have some actual holes - inside and outside backer, centre.

I'm not trying to be disagreeable. Just putting a fine point on what I mean.
 

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Actually this looks like a plug n' play draft. Maybe not starters, but guys that can step in and play significant roles or start if injuries hit.

Akers will at least split time with Henderson if not being the main guy.

Jefferson is #4 WR and can step in if injuries hit considering his experience and background.

Lewis steps in and starts or is your 3rd down specialists as long as he stays healthy.

Burgess pushes for nickel and 3rd safety.

All these guys will contribute as long as they are healthy.
 

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I know some people are frustrated over the OL, but I have two points. First, there's good news. Tyler Biadasz, Ben Bartch, Prince Tega Wanogho, Netane Muti, Saahdiq Charles, and some other talented OLs are still available. Second, our cupboard isn't as bare as we think. Last year, we were besieged by injuries and inexperience. Our guys had time to grow and build some continuity. The Rams typically only keep 8 or 9 OLs on the roster. Take a look at our list of OLs:
1. Big Whit
2. Hav
3. Blythe
4. Edwards
5. Evans
6. Corbett
7. Noteboom (Maybe PUP?)
8. Allen
9. Brewer
10. Shelton

We actually have a surprising amount of depth. The question is how good our starting five will be. But the truth is that a rookie OL is unlikely to be a magic fix if our starting five aren't up to snuff, and if they are, the rookie OL may not even see the field. Basically, we may not be in as bad a spot as people think.
 

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Actually this looks like a plug n' play draft. Maybe not starters, but guys that can step in and play significant roles or start if injuries hit.

Akers will at least split time with Henderson if not being the main guy.

Jefferson is #4 WR and can step in if injuries hit considering his experience and background.

Lewis steps in and starts or is your 3rd down specialists as long as he stays healthy.

Burgess pushes for nickel and 3rd safety.

All these guys will contribute as long as they are healthy.

My guess with Lewis is that he'll play on some obvious passing downs. I don't see him starting over Samson Ebukam.
 

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Center is not the glaring need you all are making it out to be. Blythe was re-signed as the starter. You have young guy in Allen and then a guy in Shelton. All-stars? no, but certainly not the glaring hole that everyone is saying.
 

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Again, don't disagree that they are good. I'm not being negative here. I also think we are in a good place. I just would have liked some sure thing starters (from day one), which were there for us to get, and we didn't.

These are all talented players. Absolutely agree. As an aside, we did have some actual holes - inside and outside backer, centre.

I'm not trying to be disagreeable. Just putting a fine point on what I mean.


For me it's like your craving Steak and you get home to find that your wife already made meatloaf. She makes a pretty good meatloaf but it sure would have been great to eat a steak.
 

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I know some people are frustrated over the OL, but I have two points. First, there's good news. Tyler Biadasz, Ben Bartch, Prince Tega Wanogho, Netane Muti, Saahdiq Charles, and some other talented OLs are still available. Second, our cupboard isn't as bare as we think. Last year, we were besieged by injuries and inexperience. Our guys had time to grow and build some continuity. The Rams typically only keep 8 or 9 OLs on the roster. Take a look at our list of OLs:
1. Big Whit
2. Hav
3. Blythe
4. Edwards
5. Evans
6. Corbett
7. Noteboom (Maybe PUP?)
8. Allen
9. Brewer
10. Shelton

We actually have a surprising amount of depth. The question is how good our starting five will be. But the truth is that a rookie OL is unlikely to be a magic fix if our starting five aren't up to snuff, and if they are, the rookie OL may not even see the field. Basically, we may not be in as bad a spot as people think.
Only spot I wanted was a quality starting C.

Guessing they role with Blythe this yr and a vet C becomes a FA priority next year. They should have some $$ to spend in FA even after those extensions.
 

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For me it's like your craving Steak and you get home to find that your wife already made meatloaf. She makes a pretty good meatloaf but it sure would have been great to eat a steak.
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I know some people are frustrated over the OL, but I have two points. First, there's good news. Tyler Biadasz, Ben Bartch, Prince Tega Wanogho, Netane Muti, Saahdiq Charles, and some other talented OLs are still available. Second, our cupboard isn't as bare as we think. Last year, we were besieged by injuries and inexperience. Our guys had time to grow and build some continuity. The Rams typically only keep 8 or 9 OLs on the roster. Take a look at our list of OLs:
1. Big Whit
2. Hav
3. Blythe
4. Edwards
5. Evans
6. Corbett
7. Noteboom (Maybe PUP?)
8. Allen
9. Brewer
10. Shelton

We actually have a surprising amount of depth. The question is how good our starting five will be. But the truth is that a rookie OL is unlikely to be a magic fix if our starting five aren't up to snuff, and if they are, the rookie OL may not even see the field. Basically, we may not be in as bad a spot as people think.


If you pick good Olinemen early, they usually can start at a point of weakness. I'm willing to bet that most of the guys we passed on could at the very least play guard or center. With Blythe on a one year deal, I have trouble believing he is the long term plan at Center of Guard. If they plan on going back to Allen in 2021 then they deserve to suck. Ditto Noteboom. I like what I saw in Brewer, but Corbett and Shelton are a big ?? Corbett couldn't crack the Browns Oline and Shelton couldn't crack the Cardinals Oline. Neither are ringing endorsements. I guess I'm just a believer that football still starts in the trenches. If their Oline plays as poorly as last year, I'll be watching less football. I couldn't take the misery. Snead and Kromer need to go imo. Great Oline play is what made the biggest difference for this team in 2018. It was atrocious much of last season.

I'm not saying that the picks are bad players btw. Lewis could be a slam dunk. He's had his injuries but if he stays healthy he's a stud. Burgess looks very good, there is a big need for a RB. Jefferson looks good for the Rams offense. But if they can't block anyone, then all for will be under utilized. No holes to run through, no time to throw and the defense will be gassed by the second half. I'm torn. I love the Rams and think McVay is a good coach but he puts the cart before the horse when it comes to building a team. If it takes more than a year for an Olinemen to reach his potential then they need to start finding them now.
 
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If you pick good Olinemen early, they usually can start at a point of weakness. I'm willing to bet that most of the guys we passed on could at the very least play guard or center. With Blythe on a one year deal, I have trouble believing he is the long term plan at Center of Guard. If they plan on going back to Allen in 2021 then they deserve to suck. Ditto Noteboom. I like what I saw in Brewer, but Corbett and Shelton are a big ?? Corbett couldn't crack the Browns Oline and Shelton couldn't crack the Cardinals Oline. Neither are ringing endorsements. I guess I'm just a believer that football still starts in the trenches. If their Oline plays as poorly as last year, I'll be watching less football. I couldn't take the misery. Snead and Kromer need to go imo. Great Oline play is what made the biggest difference for this team in 2018. It was atrocious much of last season.

I'm not saying that the picks are bad players btw. Lewis could be a slam dunk. He's had both shoulders surgically repaired, to stop them from dislocating. Burgess looks very good, there is a big need for a RB. Jefferson looks good for the Rams offense. But if they can't block anyone, then all for will be under utilized. No holes to run through, no time to throw and the defense will be gassed by the second half. I'm torn. I love the Rams and think McVay is a good coach but he puts the cart before the horse when it comes to building a team. If it takes more than a year for an Olinemen to reach his potential then they need to start finding them now.

I Feel your sentiments here. Jrry has two points to calm our concerns: 1) There are plenty of OL prospects left on the board 2) Our Oline is already better than last year based on getting guys back healthy and the experience that Evans, Edwards etc got. Not to mention all players having another offeason to learn the playbook and technique.

But the thing I keep saying with the Oline is you have to throw hope and projection out the window or you may find your offense and team in the shitter. And possibly your job soon after that.

Let's be honest, Blythe is a huge liability at Center. He might get by as a temp depth guy, but we saw bad things happen last year to our offense when Blythe started facing above average defenders over the course of a game. Allen was even worse, physically he cannot play at this level. If Kromer and Mcvay want to be nice guys and believe in these two guys it will be the Not For Long league for them. LG is projection. Evans was not consistent. Can he maybe turn a corner? Maybe. Havenstein had a horrible year at RT. Will he be better healthy? Maybe. Whitworth is 62 years old. Way to much trusting in guys to get better and not enough rewatching tape and dealing with reality.

We need a Center period. There are some left, but we probably need to wheel and deal and move up.

There are guards left. We need some, so lets draft some.

If we come out of this draft will no Center or guard in RD 4 I am seriously concerned.
 

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If you pick good Olinemen early, they usually can start at a point of weakness. But if they can't block anyone, then all for will be under utilized. No holes to run through, no time to throw and the defense will be gassed by the second half.

Thats the question right, is can these offensive weapons help the offensive line too? I dont know, but to Jrry's point regarding rookie OL making a big impact in year 1, that becomes much less and less likely the later in the draft. Do we really think a 4th round rookie center will be better than Blythe next year? I mean Allen was a 4th round center, sat and learned for 1 1/2 years and still was terrible when he finally started. IMO we should have invested in OL earlier in round 2 or 3 if we wanted to go for a starting level player. Now we will likely start 2020 with the same exact starting 5 we had last year. The front office is putting so much faith in these guys developing. But why should we share that optimism? They were sure last year the young guys were ready to play and look how that turned out. It's so surprising we're willing to risk two seasons in a row with a bad o-line, when our QB is the most line dependent QB in the NFL. I truly just dont get why we would risk it. It's so dumb, we're playing in a division where our competition is spending top-5 to top-20 picks on their D-line and we expect these no name, late round developmental projects to block them 1 on 1? Have they seen the niners and seahawks front 7?
 

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Only spot I wanted was a quality starting C.

Guessing they role with Blythe this yr and a vet C becomes a FA priority next year. They should have some $$ to spend in FA even after those extensions.

Might be. I'm still hoping for Biadasz on Day 3. If he can regain his form, he's a starting Center.

If you pick good Olinemen early, they usually can start at a point of weakness. I'm willing to bet that most of the guys we passed on could at the very least play guard or center. With Blythe on a one year deal, I have trouble believing he is the long term plan at Center of Guard. If they plan on going back to Allen in 2021 then they deserve to suck. Ditto Noteboom. I like what I saw in Brewer, but Corbett and Shelton are a big ?? Corbett couldn't crack the Browns Oline and Shelton couldn't crack the Cardinals Oline. Neither are ringing endorsements. I guess I'm just a believer that football still starts in the trenches. If their Oline plays as poorly as last year, I'll be watching less football. I couldn't take the misery. Snead and Kromer need to go imo. Great Oline play is what made the biggest difference for this team in 2018. It was atrocious much of last season.

I'm not saying that the picks are bad players btw. Lewis could be a slam dunk. He's had his injuries but if he stays healthy he's a stud. Burgess looks very good, there is a big need for a RB. Jefferson looks good for the Rams offense. But if they can't block anyone, then all for will be under utilized. No holes to run through, no time to throw and the defense will be gassed by the second half. I'm torn. I love the Rams and think McVay is a good coach but he puts the cart before the horse when it comes to building a team. If it takes more than a year for an Olinemen to reach his potential then they need to start finding them now.

Looking at the Day 2 OLs, there are a handful of guys I think could start for us. Unfortunately, the draft board didn't fall the way one would hope. Hennessy and Cushenberry went in the 3rd before we picked. One could argue we should have taken them in the 2nd over Van, but it's clear McVay valued Van more. I did not like Ezra Cleveland. Hated his play demeanor. He had no mean streak on tape and didn't seek to finish plays. He was happy to do the minimum. I don't like that mindset in an OL. With regard to Josh Jones, I thought he looked like he had no idea what he was doing out there.

The only two non-first rounders who might have been able to step in and make a difference for us at OG were Robert Hunt and Lucas Niang imo. Hunt went long before we picked in the second, and Niang has some medical issues (including a hip). One could argue that we should have picked Wanogho, Bartch, or Charles at #104 to develop at OT with the idea of having them compete for OG in 2020. Problem with that is none are ready for a NFL starting job imo. Wanogho has tantalizing tools but is sushi raw. His balance issues would get badly exposed at OG as a rookie. Bartch is coming from a tiny school and doesn't have the strength to handle NFL power yet. And Charles, while extremely athletic, lacks the core strength and hand usage to handle NFL DTs.

It's possible we bet on Hennessy or Cushenberry falling to #84 and lost. It's also possible that we saw the depth of this Center class and decided not to take a Center prospect in Round 3. On Day 3, we still have Tyler Biadasz, Darryl Williams, Keith Ismael, Danny Pinter, Calvin Throckmorton, Nick Harris, Netane Muti, and Shane Lemieux.
 

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Akers might be starting
Both the Terrells will be battling
Van Jefferson will make some plays
Sounds about right
Yep. And Jefferson's competition is JRey. That's a huge difference from coming in here vs, say, a healthy Cooks where you know your place. The rook should be pressing for time by midseason at latest IMO. If he comes in hot he could be a primary guy pretty damn quick.

Akers will be the guy they go to when they need yards. His SR will be dependent on the line though. Him and Hendy should have great competition though which is good for us.

And as much as I don't like the Lewis pick IF the guy comes in healthy with some give-a-fuck he's not just a guy who can rotate in he is a guy who can be a force. So the upside part of it, the boom, does matter.

Lastly I love the safety. He's gonna play a ton as a sub his rook year and should end up replacing JJ when he leaves in FA IMO.
 

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Let's be honest, Blythe is a huge liability at Center. He might get by as a temp depth guy, but we saw bad things happen last year to our offense when Blythe started facing above average defenders over the course of a game. Allen was even worse, physically he cannot play at this level. If Kromer and Mcvay want to be nice guys and believe in these two guys it will be the Not For Long league for them. LG is projection. Evans was not consistent. Can he maybe turn a corner? Maybe. Havenstein had a horrible year at RT. Will he be better healthy? Maybe. Whitworth is 62 years old. Way to much trusting in guys to get better and not enough rewatching tape and dealing with reality.

We need a Center period. There are some left, but we probably need to wheel and deal and move up.

There are guards left. We need some, so lets draft some.

If we come out of this draft will no Center or guard in RD 4 I am seriously concerned.

I thought Blythe was serviceable at Center last year. He was awful at RG, though. You make fair points. I'd counter with a few of my own. Havenstein was a very good RT in 2017 and 2018. I think it's reasonable to expect him to bounce back. Edwards and Evans both were serviceable as rookies with good and bad. Both should take steps forward. Evans played at RT. LG might prove to be an even stronger position for him (as it hides some of his limitations against speed on the edge). Corbett is a guy capable of playing OG or C. He was a college LT. He might just take the Center spot away from Blythe. They're high on Chandler Brewer, and I thought he showed well for a rookie UDFA when he played last year.

Yes, I am being optimistic, but I know our coaches could see the OL was a problem last year. If they're not panicking over it, I trust them. We shall see.
 

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There will still be good players left at #126, but the distance between #126 and #199 is huge.
I had hopes that a small trade down would have produced a pick in this range, but maybe we have
something planned to get another pick.