20 Random (Red) Zoned Out Thoughts

[Elmgrovegnome]

Why so angry?
You brought up a lawsuit that was a laughable attempt by a sleeze ball to cash in.
Any sporting event you attend, is for entertainment purpose. You cant sue for damages, which is what that "loophole" thought it could do.

Why so angry? If anyone ever mentions the possibility of games being fixed some people get mad about it. It’s odd. I don’t care if you don’t think it’s fixed. It doesn’t bother me at all.

 

[AvengerRam]

This is not a court. Maybe that’s the problem.

Court has nothing to do with my point.

You made an assertion. It’s up to you to back it up. We don’t need to disprove it.

That’s just how the world works.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

When I simply told you that you were wrong, you questioned the intelligence of my retort. When I elaborate, you get insulted.

My life is fine. Thanks for asking.

Your retort was a meme. It was unintelligent. And I’m talking about a few others here getting mad or snarky as if it’s stupid to even consider the possibility that games can be fixed. Why are people so uppity about the topic? This was brought up on here a few years ago and people got pissy about it then too.

You can believe that the NFL and all sports are straight and narrow. It doesn’t bother me in the least. You can believe in the tooth fairy. I won’t poke fun at you.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Court has nothing to do with my point.

You made an assertion. It’s up to you to back it up. We don’t need to disprove it.

That’s just how the world works.

You cannot disprove it. I gave more reasons why than you did why not. And, this is not a court. The NFL is not your client. This is a forum. Anyone can speak.

 

[AvengerRam]

You cannot disprove it. I gave more reasons why than you did why not. And, this is not a court. The NFL is not your client. This is a forum. Anyone can speak.

I believe you are a bot that has hacked Elmgrovegnome’s account and that you are, pursuant to your program, instigating dissent. I believe further that you were created by disgruntled ex-NFL coach Scott Linehan.

You can’t disprove my assertion.

 

[Allen2McVay]

I believe you are a bot that has hacked Elmgrovegnome’s account and that you are, pursuant to your program, instigating dissent. I believe further that you were created by disgruntled ex-NFL coach Scott Linehan.

You can’t disprove my assertion.

Damn that Linehan! ... Always Causing Trouble!!! Just like @Loyal.

 

[muggmeister]

This was on the coaching as much as the execution of the players. First and goal at the 3 why throw it on first down? The backup left tackle was overmatched. Why didn't they give him help? And it appears again they weren't prepared for the inevitable line injuries. The two backups were bad.

Other teams suffer in game o-line injuries and ADJUST their protections to compensate. McVay doubles down that the backup will become an All-Pro and it didn't work last or year, and it won't work in the future. This shit has to stop or we will be drafting NEXT year's QB in next year's draft. Doesn't Stafford have any say in the play calling and protections, I thought that was why he was brought in?

 

[Mackeyser]

Dude, the league had nothing to do with it. It was a frivolous suit filed by some huckster attorney who files all sorts of the same. It was no smoking gun. It went away because it was an embarrassment of a claim. All sporting events are entertainment, all sports are protected from proclaimed "damages" suffered by ticket holders. The NFL didnt make this go away, it went away because it was a joke

Wrong

Baseball is technically a “sport” and as such, part of their anti-trust exemption RELIES on a fair contest. That may be changing since the latest Astro cheating where baseball didn’t vacate the titles of the cheaters like in the past, but that’s more a function of a dysfunctional Congress (both shitty parties) than that the rules for over 100 years of precedent were broken and not fully enforced as in years past.

The NFL argued in court that the Jets fan was only entitled to a ticket to the show as the NFL is under no obligation to guarantee a fair contest as they are not classified as a sport, but entertainment.

The NFL’s own attorneys argued that point in court which isn’t the biggest deal unlike their arguing that the NFL is a single entity and not 32 independent clubs which would be devastating for confidence in any league in the US because if a sports league is a singular entity whose sole purpose is to benefit the whole, there is nothing beyond marketing to prevent the leagues from creatively steering outcomes moreso than now.

And that argument of the NFL being sports entertainment was crucial in derailing any serious congressional inquiries surrounding Deflategate as Congress didn’t have any remedies for the cheating like they would on baseball which unlike EVERY OTHER LEAGUE enjoys broad antitrust exemptions.

Also, baseball has an INDEPENDENT Commissioner that has authority over the league including the owners.

The NFL Commissioner is more of a corporate development/PR spokesman/internal manager. He is NOT an independent commissioner like in baseball and that has legal ramifications that benefit football including less congressional oversight due to the lesser standard of entertainment as opposed to the higher standard of sport.

I like football and occasionally like wrestling. I realize in the NFL that most games aren’t rigged (guided) and that those that are even if dealt heavy-handedly can go the opposite way… like if Kupp doesn’t catch that ball, we lose the Super Bowl

Anyway, I’ve tried to show how easy it would be to guide games. It doesn’t require a grand conspiracy. Folks forget Tim Donaghy and a few others who escaped being caught and how easy it was for him for years to steer outcomes of games without being caught

So it’s occasionally guided outcomes, not the offensively caricatured “scripting” that is so nonsensical that it’s beyond absurd. And… even then, it doesn’t always work and they leave it at that because they mostly get what they want which is amazing “narratives” every year and increased interest n the NFL. Injuries happen and sometimes a critical play doesn’t get executed… a guy doesn’t make a tackle, or does and that can’t be undone umpteen times. One or two ghost calls is about it.

Anyway, if folks think that the NFL leaves the multi-billion dollar season to total chance… I dunno what to say. They start in October with the “narratives” and then focus on fewer as injuries happen and whatnot. By the playoffs, every playoff team since Super Bowl 36 has had a well established narrative. We haven’t seen a team like GSOT since then and that’s because teams can’t just rise from nothing anymore. How many times were the Lions screwed out of the playoffs in favor of the Packers? That alone is a scandal and the evidence for the Lions is voluminous.

Anyway, if you believe in Fate, it’s all predetermined anyway and if not, the guiding provides a little respite from the unrelenting chaos.

I guess what I’m saying is that even if outcomes were occasionally guided, it’s unfortunate and upsetting, but it’s not that serious

I guess I’m becoming more sanguine in my old age…

 

[dieterbrock]

I guess I’m becoming more sanguine in my old age…

And incorrect...
No fan in any sport can claim personal damages from the result of a game. Period.
A ticket to an event is for entertainment purposes.
That's what the suit tried to defy.
And was thrown out immediately.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I believe you are a bot that has hacked Elmgrovegnome’s account and that you are, pursuant to your program, instigating dissent. I believe further that you were created by disgruntled ex-NFL coach Scott Linehan.

You can’t disprove my assertion.

It doesn’t bother me in the least. Think what you want.

The NFL steers outcomes to get the teams that TV stations prefer to get the most viewers.

 

[AvengerRam]

Wrong

Baseball is technically a “sport” and as such, part of their anti-trust exemption RELIES on a fair contest. That may be changing since the latest Astro cheating where baseball didn’t vacate the titles of the cheaters like in the past, but that’s more a function of a dysfunctional Congress (both shitty parties) than that the rules for over 100 years of precedent were broken and not fully enforced as in years past.

The NFL argued in court that the Jets fan was only entitled to a ticket to the show as the NFL is under no obligation to guarantee a fair contest as they are not classified as a sport, but entertainment.

The NFL’s own attorneys argued that point in court which isn’t the biggest deal unlike their arguing that the NFL is a single entity and not 32 independent clubs which would be devastating for confidence in any league in the US because if a sports league is a singular entity whose sole purpose is to benefit the whole, there is nothing beyond marketing to prevent the leagues from creatively steering outcomes moreso than now.

And that argument of the NFL being sports entertainment was crucial in derailing any serious congressional inquiries surrounding Deflategate as Congress didn’t have any remedies for the cheating like they would on baseball which unlike EVERY OTHER LEAGUE enjoys broad antitrust exemptions.

Also, baseball has an INDEPENDENT Commissioner that has authority over the league including the owners.

The NFL Commissioner is more of a corporate development/PR spokesman/internal manager. He is NOT an independent commissioner like in baseball and that has legal ramifications that benefit football including less congressional oversight due to the lesser standard of entertainment as opposed to the higher standard of sport.

I like football and occasionally like wrestling. I realize in the NFL that most games aren’t rigged (guided) and that those that are even if dealt heavy-handedly can go the opposite way… like if Kupp doesn’t catch that ball, we lose the Super Bowl

Anyway, I’ve tried to show how easy it would be to guide games. It doesn’t require a grand conspiracy. Folks forget Tim Donaghy and a few others who escaped being caught and how easy it was for him for years to steer outcomes of games without being caught

So it’s occasionally guided outcomes, not the offensively caricatured “scripting” that is so nonsensical that it’s beyond absurd. And… even then, it doesn’t always work and they leave it at that because they mostly get what they want which is amazing “narratives” every year and increased interest n the NFL. Injuries happen and sometimes a critical play doesn’t get executed… a guy doesn’t make a tackle, or does and that can’t be undone umpteen times. One or two ghost calls is about it.

Anyway, if folks think that the NFL leaves the multi-billion dollar season to total chance… I dunno what to say. They start in October with the “narratives” and then focus on fewer as injuries happen and whatnot. By the playoffs, every playoff team since Super Bowl 36 has had a well established narrative. We haven’t seen a team like GSOT since then and that’s because teams can’t just rise from nothing anymore. How many times were the Lions screwed out of the playoffs in favor of the Packers? That alone is a scandal and the evidence for the Lions is voluminous.

Anyway, if you believe in Fate, it’s all predetermined anyway and if not, the guiding provides a little respite from the unrelenting chaos.

I guess what I’m saying is that even if outcomes were occasionally guided, it’s unfortunate and upsetting, but it’s not that serious

I guess I’m becoming more sanguine in my old age…

Sorry, but the court did not draw any distinction between MLB as a “sport” and the NFL as “sports entertainment.” It simply found that the contract created by a ticket purchase only guaranteed admission to the event and, thus, the Patriots’ actions did not create any cause of action for ticket holders.

Here’s a link to the decision:

Mayer v. Belichick, Civil Action No. 07-4671 (GEB) | Casetext Search + Citator

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I also note that there is a big difference between a team CHEATING and the league FIXING a game. The suggestion that this decision allows for FIXING games is certainly incorrect.

 

[dieterbrock]

Why so angry? If anyone ever mentions the possibility of games being fixed some people get mad about it. It’s odd. I don’t care if you don’t think it’s fixed. It doesn’t bother me at all.

You're the one who is mad. I find it odd that people want to believe its true, so much so that they ignore what is factual. Namely, regurgitating that sports entertainment nonsense. I'm open to a conversation where folks can make a legitimate claim but there isnt one. Now more than ever the NFL doesnt need any help promoting its product. And thanks to legal gambling, revenues are at insanely high levels. No way they risk losing that money

 

[Loyal]

Damn that Linehan! ... Always Causing Trouble!!! Just like @Loyal.

LoyalRam bot!

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

You're the one who is mad. I find it odd that people want to believe its true, so much so that they ignore what is factual. Namely, regurgitating that sports entertainment nonsense. I'm open to a conversation where folks can make a legitimate claim but there isnt one. Now more than ever the NFL doesnt need any help promoting its product. And thanks to legal gambling, revenues are at insanely high levels. No way they risk losing that money

I’m not mad that you disagree. I don’t like some people’s attitudes about the subject. You say you are happy to talk but that’s not how it seems.

I’ve given examples of games. How it would work and why it would happen. Just say you disagree and go on. Some people get upset about this topic and I really think that it’s because they don’t want to believe that it is possible. It’s like how some people would react to someone claiming the saw a UFO years ago.

 

[AvengerRam]

It doesn’t bother me in the least. Think what you want.

The NFL steers outcomes to get the teams that TV stations prefer to get the most viewers.

I’m not mad that you disagree. I don’t like some people’s attitudes about the subject. You say you are happy to talk but that’s not how it seems.

I’ve given examples of games. How it would work and why it would happen. Just say you disagree and go on. Some people get upset about this topic and I really think that it’s because they don’t want to believe that it is possible. It’s like how some people would react to someone claiming the saw a UFO years ago.

The only one upset is you.

Bottom line…your belief that something is “possible” is proof of nothing.

If you’re going to hijack a thread to present such a ridiculous and unproven theory, don’t complain when you get resistance.

 

[dang]

If the Rams don't commit to the run and establish a RB rotation it's going to be a long season. Stafford rarely has had a strong ground game and you wonder how much of that is on him.
McVay needs to get the Offense under center and start pounding the rock in games.

Rams Need a 1-2 punch at RB. Williams puts forth great effort but is showing nothing in the pass game. I don’t see the Rams getting back to a formidable offense with just Williams.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

The only one upset is you.

Bottom line…your belief that something is “possible” is proof of nothing.

If you’re going to hijack a thread to present such a ridiculous and unproven theory, don’t complain when you get resistance.

I didn’t start talking about fixing games. You are mad about that too apparently.

I am glad I wasn’t there when your parents told you that Santa wasn’t real.

And I’m not mad. I’m disappointed. Things have gotten a lot less friendly around here lately.

 

[hotanez]

I believe you are a bot that has hacked Elmgrovegnome’s account and that you are, pursuant to your program, instigating dissent. I believe further that you were created by disgruntled ex-NFL coach Scott Linehan.

You can’t disprove my assertion.

Linehan!!! I knew he was behind this. It's all coming together.

 

[AvengerRam]

I didn’t start talking about fixing games. You are mad about that too apparently.

I am glad I wasn’t there when your parents told you that Santa wasn’t real.

And I’m not mad. I’m disappointed. Things have gotten a lot less friendly around here lately.

Santa wasn’t discussed in my Jewish household. Just another one of your theories that doesn’t hold up when the facts come out.

And, don’t sell yourself short…whether or not you initiated it, you’ve accomplished a complete hijacking of this thread. Mazel tov.

 

[fanotodd]

Hitchen’s razor:
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Just saying.