20 Random (Red) Zoned Out Thoughts

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Elmgrovegnome

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"YEAH BABY!!!" ... 2017 World Series Champion Houston Astros
Well, Mackeyser did site that as an anomaly. Stripping a title is what should have been done imo. But there is enough grey when it came to which players did it and which didn’t and how long they continued to do it. Supposedly they didn’t cheat through the playoffs. There is no proof of it anyway even though the Altuve shirt/tattoo thing was shady and the tape on one of the players chest that was confetti? It seemed like they could still have been using the system in another form. But MLB couldn’t definitively enforce a stripping of the title. I think they could have just on the basis of cancelling the regular season games that they cheated in, which would have kept them from the playoffs.

However, the league did not ‘burn the tapes’. They outed the Astros and leveled some harsh penalties on the owner, GM and manager. Which is far more than Goodell did. Many felt that Belichick should have been suspended for a full season, or banned from the league altogether. If the NFL was serious about looking legit, then that’s what they would have done. They would have shared the evidence to some degree too and not destroyed it. Also Belichick cheated again by filming the Bengals a few years later and he’s still coaching?
Then McDaniels is caught doing the same thing and he’s still coaching? Looking legit doesn’t seem to be a huge concern for the NFL.
 

AvengerRam

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I don’t need evidence. You did not produce any evidence that can clearly dismiss my claim.
You literally have that entirety backwards.

You ABSOLUTELY need evidence, while I CERTAINLY can, and, should dismiss your claim due to your inability to produce any.
What I don’t get is why you won’t even entertain the possibility that it may be true. What is honest about big business in this country or world even? How is it that you would think the NFL is this shining beacon of truth and fair play? Are you that impressed with the character of all of the owners in the league? I’m certainly not.
I don’t presume that the NFL will, in all cases, conduct itself with complete honesty and fairness.

I do, however, presume rational behavior. Risking the continued existence of a multi-billion dollar organization by fixing games would be an entirely irrational practice.

That doesn’t mean that the officiating is as good as it can or should be in the NFL. It’s a massive leap, though, to go from “bad officiating” to “fixing games.”
 
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Elmgrovegnome

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You literally have that entirety backwards.

You ABSOLUTELY need evidence, while I CERTAINLY can, and, should dismiss your claim due to your inability to produce any.

I don’t presume that the NFL will, in all cases, conduct itself with complete honesty and fairness.

I do, however, presume rational behavior. Risking the continued existence of a multi-billion dollar organization by fixing games would be an entirely irrational practice.

That doesn’t mean that the officiating is as good as it can or should be in the NFL. It’s a massive leap, though, to go from “bad officiating” to “fixing games.”
Add this to bad officiating. Belichick cheats and isn’t even suspended for one season. He has the same offense of video taping the Bengals with by a guy disguised as NFL personnel, a few years later, no suspension or ejection from the league. McDaniels gets caught doing the filming in Denver and no suspension. They don’t seem to care about looking legitimate to fans in that regard. If they did then Belichick wouldn’t be in the league at all.

Then you have the case of the guy that was hired to tape the Rams walkthrough before the Super Bowl. I think his name was Walsh. We all know that Rams players said that Martz installed new red zone plays. They thought it was odd that a man with appearing to be an NFL cameraman was their filming. When the Rams lined up in those brand new formations the Patriots defenders called out the plays. They knew the secret plays. Goodell supposedly had a meeting with the guy, but we never heard an outcome or heard about him since. More shady dealings.

After thousands of Rams fans petitioned against Bill Vinovich being the head official on the field for the 2018 seasons Super Bowl It caught their attention, and coincidentally I can’t recall any game changing calls against the Rams by their fixer Vinobitch since. In fact since that time I noticed fewer games that appeared to be thrown. They figured they had to revamp the way they were doing things, because fans were suspicious.

Like Mack said, Goodell is not a real commissioner in the sense that he has ultimate authority. He answers to the owners. He’s a figurehead. The league was especially indebted to Robert Kraft due to all of his work with the initial mega contract with the networks. Then we see Kraft gifted a Super Bowl in probably the worst officiated game in Super Bowl history and he also benefitted for years afterwards with game changing calls.

I believe that the NFL owners think fans don’t look closely enough at the details and figure in time they will forget, because they love the sport so much and cannot prove what they see. So they are safe to operate how they choose.

Then the last reason that I believe the league steers outcomes to get favored teams into the playoffs is what two of the three former NFL players I’ve met said to me - “It isn’t what you think it is.”

I’m not going to convince you that I’m right. However I do have several other reasons aside from poorly officiated games to think what I do.
 

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Oh—the one instance of poor officiating in that game that went against the Saints. The rest went against us, along with a lot of other adversities, and we still won. It sucks the opposite narrative seems to have endured.
oh i 100% agree

That might have been a makeup call on the non call on Goff's face mask