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every Rams fan is already upset and miserable between the season outcome and SB and uncertain future so Fisher really needs to suck it up and make an announcement for the fans' sake. we all know that he knows who he's picking so wether he doesn't have a replacement yet for whoever he promotes or w/e I don't care we need some kind of news right now. right MEOW sir!

I know we should all be patient but I just don't really understand (And, I know the Rams really don't care if I understand or not!) if Fisher and Snead really know who they are hiring or promoting why keep it such a big secret! If it is not Boras or Cignetti they are pursuing then I guess I will understand but if it is one of those coaches I can't imagine why this is taking so long.
 

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All things considered I don't think ANY HC could have done a better job than Fisher has in his time in St. Louis!! And 'I DEFY ANYONE' to name me one coach who could rebuild a team AND overcome ALL the setbacks he's had, and come out with a BETTER record!
Pete Carroll did it in Seattle. Same amount of roster turnover and a winning record/SB win in fewer years. Say what you want about the bad call in the SB, but he's done a hell of a job up there.
 

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Maybe Fisher will take a page out of the Vermeil coaching playbook and make Boras and Cignetti co-offensive coordinators.
 

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Pete Carroll did it in Seattle. Same amount of roster turnover and a winning record/SB win in fewer years. Say what you want about the bad call in the SB, but he's done a hell of a job up there.
Carroll never had to deal with the QB, and other injury problems Fishers has had! That makes a Big difference! As to Carroll's Roster Turn over I'm not sure your right or wrong.
 

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I know we should all be patient but I just don't really understand (And, I know the Rams really don't care if I understand or not!) if Fisher and Snead really know who they are hiring or promoting why keep it such a big secret! If it is not Boras or Cignetti they are pursuing then I guess I will understand but if it is one of those coaches I can't imagine why this is taking so long.

Again the reason for this is they want to announce the whole coaching staff so at the moment, if they are promoting Boras or Cignetti the hold up is finding their replacement and make the announcement all at once. All teams do this so I bet Fisher is taking his time finding the position coach.
 

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Maybe Fisher will take a page out of the Vermeil coaching playbook and make Boras and Cignetti co-offensive coordinators.

That's actually not a bad idea with Cignetti being the passing game coordinator.
 

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All things considered I don't think ANY HC could have done a better job than Fisher has in his time in St. Louis!! And 'I DEFY ANYONE' to name me one coach who could rebuild a team AND overcome ALL the setbacks he's had, and come out with a BETTER record!
That's basically what I said about Spags at the time although I did see Fisher as an upgrade. Both of them have had tons of setbacks (though I still disagree with the notion Fisher had to rebuild. Spags started the rebuild). But there does come a point where if you're not getting Return On Investment, you HAVE to move on, no matter how valid the reasons there haven't been success are, and no matter how little they are the coach's fault.
 

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Carroll never had to deal with the QB, and other injury problems Fishers has had! That makes a Big difference! As to Carroll's Roster Turn over I'm not sure your right or wrong.
Soooo hard to really determine how one coach's rebuild compares to others.

Carroll... Arians.... Harbaugh...Parcells... lots of examples of new head coaches coming in and turning the ship around in one... two... three years.

And each faced different circumstances... how difficult those circumstances were is always subjective.

So, I fall back on reasonability.

Regardless of the size of the rebuild... regardless of injuries incurred... if a head coach comes in and picks his GM, draft choices and free agents, I think it's reasonable to expect him to really make a difference by the end of his fourth year.

So, that's why I am expecting Jeff Fisher to have his best year yet in STL in 2015! (above .500 and either in the playoffs or in the hunt come that last week!)

I just feel a little sorry for him that he's embroiled in this relo mess.
 

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Carroll never had to deal with the QB, and other injury problems Fishers has had! That makes a Big difference! As to Carroll's Roster Turn over I'm not sure your right or wrong.
The QB situation is all on Fisher at this point. Bradford showed himself as injury prone last year. I remember having a debate with people on this site about how he was injury prone and the Rams HAD to do something about the QB situation. They didn't and now they're suffering for it. I recommended Garappolo and even considered Bridgewater as a possibility. I even said to trade down(Buf offered) for the extra first to have ammo to trade up for a QB this draft. I didn't want much after Garappolo or Bridge because I'm not big on project QB's; I didn't consider those two to be much of a project. Most of the media last draft season were saying the Rams needed to do something about the QB situation and the Rams still refused to address it. So when Bradford went down AGAIN, it became a problem with Fisher, not Bradford. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice(more than that, actually), shame on me(Fisher).

You can say Garappolo or Bridge probably wouldn't have helped much last year but I'd be willing to bet they'd help this year if/when something happens to Bradford. Even if Bradford manages to go the entire season next year, do you feel comfortable signing him to a new, long term deal? I don't. Having Garap or Bridge would have eased those concerns. Now the Rams will be looking for project QB in a horrible QB class. Good luck with that, Fish.

As for the roster turnover, it's been mentioned on the local radio stations in previous years that since the start of each team's respective rebuild, the two have had the same amount of turnover. They kept the same amount of players(or very close) from the previous regime after three years. Since I couldn't find any site that had the info ready, I had to go and compare the rosters they inherited to year three of their rebuilds (just for you, Dave). The Seahawks kept 7 players from the previous regime to year three: Butler, Branch, Mebane, Obomanu, Ryan, Trufant, and Unger. The Rams kept 8: Bradford, Kendricks, JL, Long, Quinn, Saffold, Sims, and Pettis. Only one player difference, which, IMO, is irrelevant.

My point is, the two have done virtually the same amount of roster rebuild but one team had an 11 win season by year three and won the SB in year four. I'm not saying Fisher is crap but he isn't a savior either.
 

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Carroll never had to deal with the QB, and other injury problems Fishers has had! That makes a Big difference! As to Carroll's Roster Turn over I'm not sure your right or wrong.
Well, they did have to start Charlie "Clipboard Jesus" Whitehurst for the last few games of the 2010 season. I won't mention how that ended. They also started Tavaris Jackson in 2011
And they've dealt with constant injury issues between Russell Okung and James Carpenter, two guys that were supposed to anchor their line.
 

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Injuries happen. Get it.

Not drafting a QB in high rounds last year (Garropolo/Carr/Bridgewater) is a blunder Fisher will come to regret for rest of his career
 

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New OC...I'm calling it....Cig.....Hey, can we get some odds in the sportsbook on this???
 

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I think Lombardi will get the hire before Martz does...

Joe Lombardi is already the offensive coordinator for the Detroit Lions (Grandson of the legendary Vincent Thomas Lombardi).
 

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I have no problem with an in house hire here. I think both guys are qualified and have earned a shot. I also think that if either one of them were "the guy", the announcement would have already been made. I think Fisher's chair is heating up a little, and he is rightfully shaking every tree looking for the next OC. He simply can't mess this up.

That dude has survived over 20 years being a .500 Coach. Self preservation has bought him some longevity. I am speaking with my heart and not my head when I say Martz should be the choice. I don't think another 7-9 or 6-10ish season is going to get it done for Fisher. He needs this team to win some games at some point, or he is out. A guy that has clung on by his fingernails as long as he has, with that thin of a resume has to see the writing on the wall.

I don't mean to sound snarky, (and I know I do because I was being snarky). I just have never gotten all of the Fisher love. I hope he is a great Coach that has just been in a bad place for 20 years. I also hope that he will hire who he thinks is the best OC, and give him autonomy.
I agree with most of this. I never liked the hiring of Fisher. I just support him because he's the coach of my favorite team. I hope for the best but I've never had faith that he could do better than the other coaches in this division. 2015 might be his best chance to make the playoffs. The Seahawks will have a tough time competing after that loss. The Cardinals have cap issues along with the uncertainty of how Palmer will come back. It wouldn't shock me if they drafted a quarterback. I just see the niners being a complete mess. If Fisher doesn't get it done next season then he never will.
 

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All things considered I don't think ANY HC could have done a better job than Fisher has in his time in St. Louis!! And 'I DEFY ANYONE' to name me one coach who could rebuild a team AND overcome ALL the setbacks he's had, and come out with a BETTER record!

I can't. Nobody could because that is a loaded question. Loosing Bradford twice was a horrible thing for our organization. On the other hand, I defy anyone to name me one Coach has has ever walked into a situation as fruitful as Fisher did, (via the draft pics) and regressed every year he has been Coach, if you go by the record. He safe safe next season, but if this team is not playoff bound for whatever reasons, he has to go.
 

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I can't. Nobody could because that is a loaded question. Loosing Bradford twice was a horrible thing for our organization. On the other hand, I defy anyone to name me one Coach has has ever walked into a situation as fruitful as Fisher did, (via the draft pics) and regressed every year he has been Coach, if you go by the record. He safe safe next season, but if this team is not playoff bound for whatever reasons, he has to go.
If your saying Fisher has "regressed" every year I have to completely disagree!! I don't see that at all!!