No jrry32, you are being pissy and not including Ross because YOU need Ross out in an attempt to make your goalpost shifting point. I'm talking about players making a roster. You are responding by cherry picking via YOUR criteria yet again.
Okay, bud, feel free to include the 7th WR who was on the roster as a special teamer to prove Washington's WRs are faster. If that's what you need for your argument to stand, it's a bad argument.
You doing the same with Atlanta picking just 5 WRs when they had 6 on the roster. Either way, I disagree with your findings even there via my eyes and noting that Sanu ran a 4.54/40 at his Pro Day while Hardy ran a 4.4/40 at his Pro Day.
Yes, I did the same thing with Atlanta. I don't give a fuck about the 6th WR. He's a special teamer who caught a total of 5 passes (with 4 coming in one game). He's not even remotely important.
Sanu ran a 4.67 at the Combine. You're cherry-picking again. Hardy ran a 4.56 at the Combine. Yet again, you're cherry-picking.
That's something you've consistently done. Your arguments rest on cherry-picking numbers that support your theory and fixating on special teamers who barely played on offense.
And yes, I do consider Marquez last year. He was on the team. He got some play on offense. Just because the ball didn't go to him alot doesn't mean he wasn't out there sometimes. The game doesn't stop when the starters come out.
Okay, bro, you consider Marquez as a WR. I don't care. I'll consider the guys who actually played WR, not the guys who played special teams. Marquez barely saw snaps at WR.
If you want to base your opinion of the Redskins having faster WRs on special teamers, do you. I base my opinions of WIDE RECEIVERS on players WHO ACTUALLY PLAY AND CONTRIBUTE AT WIDE RECEIVER.
Apparently, if we give our 6th WR spot to a special teamer WR who doesn't play offense who runs a 4.2 40, we've got faster WRs than the Redskins and Atlanta. I think it's absolutely silly to rest an argument on a special teamer because he's labeled a WR and plays a few snaps there, but you do you. You're just not getting anywhere with me.
You've also gone right back to cherry picking criteria and players at the TE position again, when I'm talking strictly about speed. You don't care about Paul and Carrier, so they don't count. That's nonsense. They were on the team and they played. Especially, when Reed and/or Davis went out.
Niles Paul's and Derek Carrier's COMBINED production from 2016: 4 catches for 37 yards and 0 TDs
Yet again, you're fixating on players who barely contribute to the passing game. So yes, you're right. They don't count in my mind. I care about players who contribute. I don't care about players who play a handful of snaps on offense while playing the majority of their snaps on special teams.
Talk about strictly speed. Everett ran a faster 40 than Reed. Davis ran a faster 40 than Higbee (presumably since Higbee didn't run). But Davis is old and clearly has slowed down considerably. Higbee, on the other hand, is young but has no recorded 40 time. Accordingly, we can't really know where they stack up. But feel free to consider Davis as being faster. That ends up with a 1-1 tie.
Which leaves you basing your entire argument on two guys who caught 4 passes over the entirety of the 2016 season. I know you have no problem doing this because you've been getting angry that I am not letting you do it at WR.
Your entire argument hinges on players who barely saw the field. It's why it's such a bad argument. Nobody judges a QB group based on how good the #3 QB is. That would be asinine. Yet, that is your method to claiming that the Redskins were CONSIDERABLY faster.
All players on the team, even those at the bottom of rosters are expected to contribute on offense in case there is an injury or if too many players need a blow. They don't just disappear because you want them to do so or because the ball didn't come their way. At the very least, players could even be using their gifts to clear out areas for others to make plays
Bullshit. They do disappear when they're not on the field. Players like Marquez and Rashad Ross don't make the team to fill in for injuries. They make the team to play special teams. That is why the Redskins gave Maurice Harris snaps over Ross after promoting him from the practice squad following Doctson going on IR. Harris was put on the roster to play WR. Ross was a special teamer.
You can base your opinion on the depth players on a team. I care about contributors. I care about guys who actually see the field. You made an inaccurate point and are now going to jump through hoops to defend it.
Finally, if you believe that LaFleur (and Olsen for that matter) haven't contributed to the 2017 offensive plan and will just be running McVay's Redskins offense, then I have to laugh or be very worried that McVay would be so closed minded not to consider the opinions of his handpicked offensive staff brought in to help turn this thing around.
Strawman argument. You didn't address my points. LaFleur wasn't running the offense in Atlanta. Kyle Shanahan was. You're being disingenuous when you act like Atlanta was his offense. McVay was running the offense in Washington. He's running the offense here. It doesn't much matter whether or not LaFleur is contributing (which we both know he is) because we don't know what a LaFleur offense would look like. We do know what a McVay offense looks like.
Frankly, though, I don't care. This is a sub-argument of a completely pointless sub-argument.
I met my burden and proved my case. You could have simply accepted it and said that the Rams WRs are faster than you expected. Instead, you're choosing to go around in circles and stand your ground over special teams players to try and make your argument work. Go for it, but I'm not going to continue going in circles with you. I've already demonstrated that the Rams WRs who will actually see the field are comparably fast when compared to the Redskins WRs who actually saw the field. It's impossible to demonstrate that at TE because of Davis's age and Higbee's lack of measurables.(but in terms of football speed, Everett and Reed are about the same)
I'm happy to compromise with you and say that the Redskins special teamer at WR will likely be faster than the Rams' guy this year (same is true at TE). Enjoy that victory, I guess, and enjoy the rest of your night.
