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Over My Dead Body

Discussion in 'OFF TOPIC' started by Thordaddy, Jun 13, 2014.

  1. moklerman Warner-phile

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    I think you're reaching by saying white people are offended by honky. As this whole situation illustrates, some people are going to take offense no matter what is being talked about. But I've never met anyone who thought honky was actually offensive. Sure, the intent was understood but it's always been my experience that the word has about as much impact as flapjack or snickerdoodle.

    Which is more along the lines of the sense I get from Indians hypothetically being called a redskin. It doesn't really seem to resemble other racial slurs and maybe that's what's throwing me off. I mean, why isn't there "blackskin" or "brownskin" or "yellowskin" or whatever if that's such a cut to the soul?
     
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  2. Zaphod Well-Known Member

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    Cracker barrel if you look at their picture, is just an old dude sitting next to a soda cracker barrel in front of a general store, which is sort of, you know like what the restaurant is themed after.

    Darn them for taking an image like that, meeting at the general store, talking and eating and naming their restaurant after it. They should have had the foresight to see the re-emergence of the term cracker.

    Don't even like the place but dang, that's reaching. I don't think it's reaching as much as criticism of the name Redskins, but that's a herd mentality. It would be equally shameful if the owner didn't make money out of the entire fiasco.
     
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  3. Akrasian Well-Known Member

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    Given some of the things they do, I am all for Congress to allow themselves to focus on non-critical issues. They do less damage. :censored:
     
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  4. Ramrasta The Knight Owl

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    Redskin is a term used by the franchise as a symbol of pride much like the term Yankee is used when representing the baseball franchise. Yankee can be taken with negative connotation as well but it is easily understood that franchises name themselves these things not because they are disparaging but because they are honorable and instill pride. To take offense to this is to first identify yourself as the term, reverse what it is intended to do, and then victimize yourself over it's use in a way completely unrelated to race. It's a choice in all three steps.
     
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  5. DCH This IS my 'oh' face.

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    Again, the fact that people do not have to accept the negativity conveyed by a racial slur does not mean that we should continue using it prolifically. I feel this way about the 'n' word in rap, and at least that's usually people who are members of the race being slurred using it.
     
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  6. Ramrasta The Knight Owl

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    I would love to know how many people actually use the term "Redskin" as a racial slur in conversation. I have never heard it used negatively other than if the football team played a terrible game.
     
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  7. -X- I'm the dude, man.

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    I'm not even aware of any racism towards Native Americans. I mean, most people I know love them (and their casinos, lol).
     
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  8. DCH This IS my 'oh' face.

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    A fair point, but when was the last time someone actually used 'tar baby' as a racial slur? Does that mean it's now acceptable to use it as a brand? Historically, 'Redskin' was used as a racial slur, so why would we continue using it as a brand in the NFL?
     
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  9. DCH This IS my 'oh' face.

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    Part of this is because there are so few of them, and they tend to be clustered around parts of the US that are not Missouri or Massachusetts. We don't live anywhere close to large populations of Native Americans, so when would we be exposed to racism towards them?
     
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  10. -X- I'm the dude, man.

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    Well, here's my view on that. The term "Redskin" wasn't pejorative at all when it was first introduced into the English language in the 17th century. It became pejorative through pejoration. So what's to stop some group of people from making any other team name pejorative by the same methods? What if Cowboys are all of a sudden offensive because of their murderous reputation? Or the Raiders for obvious reasons. I know that's a pretty big stretch on my part, but is it completely implausible? My issues are twofold. One, this wasn't a big deal a few years ago until it was forced to be a big deal. Two, we really can't empower the government to decide what can and cannot be interpreted as racist, and then unilaterally apply it in order to impose change based on the outrage of a vocal minority. But mine is only one opinion among many. I can't say definitively that anyone is right or wrong. It's all a matter of personal opinion, after all.
     
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  11. Mojo Ram On double secret probation

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    MM effect.
    Mob media
     
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  12. -X- I'm the dude, man.

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    I do. There are many, many tribes in South Florida.
     
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  13. Ramrasta The Knight Owl

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    I believe the difference lies in the usage. Saying "tar baby" is to directly try to express a racist view point where as "Redskin" in this circumstance is used to indicate a football team which has chosen to characterize itself as such out of the respect it would give them and the pride they can feel from being able to describe themselves as this. If someone names their child after you, it's done out of honor instead of ill intent.
     
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  14. Mojo Ram On double secret probation

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    Obviously i do too.
    My very close friend of 25 years is Creek indian from Oklahoma.
     
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  15. Thordaddy Binding you with ancient logic

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    Nah dude you get over characterizing people who disagree with you as ignorant
     
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  16. DCH This IS my 'oh' face.

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    True, but when the team's name changed from the Braves to the Redskins, the pejorative was established. I think it's a bit harder to argue that a term becoming pejorative after it had already been applied to a sports team or brand should change based on the evolution of the name.

    I think this has been a big deal among certain groups for a very long time, it's just gotten more press the past several years. The onset of the Internet has helped a lot of long-running causes get visibility. JMO as always, but that's how I view this particular segment of this particular discussion.
     
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  17. beej New Member

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    Things like pc-ism usually work like a pendulum. They'll take it so far that it will backlash and go the other way. It'll be interesting to see how far it goes. I've heard of groups trying to get names like jefferson, Washington, and such removed because they were slave holders. What sounds impossible now is just a mob away.
     
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    Problem Solved!
     
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  19. Rambitious1 Well-Known Member

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    I don't care about any of that......and I'm part REDSKIN.
     
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  20. DCH This IS my 'oh' face.

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    OK. Good for you. Do you speak for all Native Americans because you're one person who is part Native American?

    "I'm not offended so nobody else should be" is not a viable argument.
     
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