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Over My Dead Body

Discussion in 'OFF TOPIC' started by Thordaddy, Jun 13, 2014.

  1. Rambitious1 Well-Known Member

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    Nope, sure don't speak for everyone. Never said I did.
    But then that's not really the issue.

    Unlike you I believe in freedom and private property rights.
    That's the issue.

    Not some straw man argument that someone somewhere might be offended, so let's just sit still and let someone's private property rights be violated.
     
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  2. DCH This IS my 'oh' face.

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    If that's not the point then why did you bother to tell us that you are part Native American? If you're not trying to imply that your heritage combined with your lack of caring about those things means that Native Americans generally don't or shouldn't then why make the statement? If you want to talk property rights that's one thing, but don't backtrack on the first point you made - make it.
     
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  3. TommerK Rockin' Rams Fan

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    This country has become so over-sensitive it is ridiculous. There is a growing faction of witch-hunters out there that just can't wait to point the finger at anybody and cry "insensitive, insensitive, you're insensitive, look everybody, he's insensitive, they offended somebody". The more it happens, the faster we go from being a free country that our forefathers fought for towards being communist.

    And the term PC in a lot of it's context, was designed to not only allow people to lie and get away with it, but it was designed to make them look good doing it.
     
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  4. jjab360 Well-Known Member

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    I never said those people are ignorant in general, just ignorant on this one particular subject. That is to say they are lacking in knowledge or experience on the subject as well as the informal definition of just being rude.
     
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  5. jjab360 Well-Known Member

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    If people don't want to get called out for being a dick, then don't be a dick. I have no problem with people being sensitive about things like racism and homophobia, etc., sets a good example for our kids that that crap isn't cool.
     
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  6. tonyl711 Well-Known Member

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    OK, good for you, do you speak for all native americans? since I have heard of native americans who sit on both sides of this issue, I would say you don't either. this offends some, so it offends all is also not a viable argument either.
     
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  7. tonyl711 Well-Known Member

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    is it not rude to call someone ignorant because they disagree with you? lacking in knowledge? really? why? because they think different than you do?
     
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  8. DCH This IS my 'oh' face.

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    Nor is it one which I made. You don't have to offend everyone with a racial slur for it to be a bad idea to name a football team.
     
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  9. Thordaddy Binding you with ancient logic

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    You have so little information to base THIS statement upon it is astounding and you have UNWITTINGLY, I suppose, reissued the same insult towards those who disagree with you.
    I further find your charge that peoples ideas emanate from this dark place "I know some people miss the days where they could ridicule and belittle another person" repugnant and unworthy of a civil discourse.

    Are you really that ill equipped to discuss this without being that judgmental and needing to drag people instead of ideas into the argument?

    It's just ironic that you seem to have to be offensive when deriding something you think needs to be changed because it's offensive in your mind,curious in deed.

    And DID YOU really mean to say this? "If people don't want to get called out for being a dick, then don't be a dick"

    Would you like to tell us who you are calling out for being a "dick"?
     
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  10. jjab360 Well-Known Member

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    C'mon, thordaddy, don't be so sensitive, it's just words.
     
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  11. Thordaddy Binding you with ancient logic

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    Don't know where that sort of thinking comes from ,it's a word used as an insult conventionally NOW not even PART of the time in some distant time ,if I tell someone they are ignorant ,I doubt they even give a second thought that it was a benign evaluation,isn't it ironic that here where speech is monitored and offensive language isn't a right someone would use that word and still expect to constrain free speech out in the real world ,alternate universe stuff there.
     
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  12. Thordaddy Binding you with ancient logic

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    And yet another personal attack, you really don't know how to discuss HERE do you?

    BTW in the real world I'd fight for your right to say that, here not so much, it used to be that was the mantra agree or disagree I fight FOR YOUR right, now we band together to deny the right in the name of potential afront.
     
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  13. Thordaddy Binding you with ancient logic

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    BTW THAT'S just trolling.
     
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  14. TommerK Rockin' Rams Fan

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    When I was a kid none of those examples were set for me. I was offended and bullied all the time. And when I went to an adult for help, I was told, "Fight your own battles". Nobody felt sorry for me. So I learned to fight back. And I got the bullying to stop. On my own. And it made me a stronger person for it. If someone makes a joke about your heritage or your looks, or your preferences, throw a joke right back at them. Get over it, deal with it, and quit your crying.
     
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  15. TommerK Rockin' Rams Fan

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    Getting back to the issue at hand, the more congress sweats over the Redskins name issue, the less time they spend dreaming up ways to jack up our taxes. And I applaud Dan Snyder for taking the stand that he has. And I don't applaud him for much. Other than approving his GM to give up so many pick for RGIII.
     
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  16. Elmgrovegnome Well-Known Member

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    One day while traveling through Bimigi Minnesota I stopped at a grocery store. Outside the store we 2 African American men. On my way out they went out of their way to get my attention and while sneering they called me 'Cracker'. I looked at them and laughed and continued on my way. The ridiculousness of it all was quite humorous.

    Kids on the schol bus like to tease my rather sensitive Step-son. I taught him hat they are just words derived from ignorance and allowing the words to hurt him is what is causing the problem. After a few weeks he seems to understand.

    However, if I know someone will be offended by a specific word then I refrain from using it....no matter how I view it. Many people cannot remove themselves from the irrational reaction to words. Am I being politically correct or just courteous and understanding?

    The word Souix was actually what the enemies of the Lakota enemies called them. Seeing that it is so much more specific of a slur than Redskin, why was it not removed from High Schools and colleges long ago....especially in North Dakota?

    In some ways words like Redskin and Souix help remind us of the past, both in good and bad ways. Replacing them with less familiar words may not have the same affect.
     
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  17. jjab360 Well-Known Member

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    If every time the world had a problem, nobody tried to fix it and they just suffered silently, nothing would ever get done. Just because you don't care enough to do anything I don't see why you have a problem those who actually do. And that "stronger person" mantra is bullcrap. People are broken everyday due to bullying and some never recover even well into their adult lives.
     
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  18. Thordaddy Binding you with ancient logic

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    But you see there is a problem with the solution much larger than the problem they seek to rectify , that's not progress.
    That's the problem with advocacy groups they care not what damage they do in their mindless pursuit of tilting their windmill
     
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  19. jjab360 Well-Known Member

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    Discrimination is a pretty big problem. Are you trying to say that it's more important for people to have the right to discriminate if they want to?
     
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  20. TommerK Rockin' Rams Fan

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    I'm not saying nobody is trying to fix problems. But there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. I DID care enough about myself to do something about it, and I fixed it. And based on the will within myself, doing so gave me a much stronger self esteem, so don't tell me that the "stronger person" mantra is bullcrap. It's not, I have lived it. You either stand up for yourself, or you look for someone to feel sorry for you. I chose the former.
     
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